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KLM 747-400 To Be Used On AMS-PBM  
User currently offlineAnair80 From Suriname, joined Oct 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 13439 times:

Well just read the Surinam paper and yes, KLM will get rid of their 747-300. Starting in May, KLM will increase their flights by one more, so now operating on all days of the week except Saturday. Surinam Airways which is working with KLM wants them to use PBM as a stop, so flights from AMS can continue on to Brazil/other countries in S. America. Well, this is cool. And now the 747-400 will start ops beginning next year....
I guess there is so much more demand from people on the AMS - PBM and vice versa route, they want to increase it...(Time to drop the Fares too)
Hope all goes well for both of them. I guess for now the A330 / 777 are out of the question, but i still would love to see one of these boys at PBM.

Here is the article (in Dutch) : http://dwt.net/Archief/2003/Maart/21%20maart%202003/Suriname%20als%20tussenstop%20voor%20vluchten%20naar%20Zuid%20Amerika.htm

Regards... Anair80

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User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 13397 times:

Thanx for posting Anair80,

I heard the news about the increasement of the PBM flights yesterday....but the use of the 744 and possible continuation to Brazil/other countries is new for me....would be a great development for the aviation and tourism industry in Suriname, if this is really gonna happen.....

The fares are still a hot issue....they will give some low fares only during the period the new flight starts until the big summer months are coming.....I'm still waiting for official news regarding the possible Martinair ad hoc operations for Dush & Cadushi travel.....hopefully this new development in the Suriname aviation industry will bring Suriname closer to a open-skies agreement for all Suriname-related air traffic...so not only the Caribbean! And if we're still dreaming......what about a expansion of Jopie Pengel? Big grin Especially that dirty arrival hall, It's been 2 years ago since I went to Suriname for the last time.....in that time, anything new happened with that arrival hall?

Cheers!

Danny (KL713)



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User currently offlineDC9 From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 13333 times:

What's wrong with Jopies arrival hall? Very charming  Smokin cool I thought when I visited in 1999. Had it not been for the nice KLM lady in AMS forgeting to priority tag or bags we would have been out of there in 15mins rather than 90

User currently offlineAnair80 From Suriname, joined Oct 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 13322 times:

Hey Danny,

Yep, that means you have not been there a while, Cause the arrival hall got a nice face lift. I also have not been there in year but from what I hear back home, Things have certainly changed. You now wait in a nice air conditioned area for passport control and as you come from the plane to that check point, you can see the meeters/greeters through a nice long window as you would walk from the plane to the passport control area. I also believe they got a new baggage belt and made it a nicer area, or they at least have a better system, but that I'm not positive about. I'll double check that.
Also regarding Martinair, I think it is still a go, but they are still waiting for the formal approval of the cat I status, and have the government implement that. The government is so afraid for independent airlines to come to Suriname and just operate for a couple of months and then go belly up (money is a big thing), and leaving a mess for the government to clean up. They are very cautious with that...
I'll try to pull some strings and see what other info I can get from my dad who may have some new insights into this.... Hopefully he does...
Ohh man, I certainly can't wait for the 7474 to come next year... It'll be so nice to see a more modern plane come in. Well on the other hand those flight engineers will be laid off, so that is not a good side of it...

 Smile
Andrew (Anair80)


User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 13301 times:

so flights from AMS can continue on to Brazil/other countries in S. America.

One large Dutch touroperator searches for an airline to fly direct from AMS to MAO (Manaus, Brazil).

.....I'm still waiting for official news regarding the possible Martinair ad hoc operations for Dush & Cadushi travel

Martinair hasn't made any application which suggest they'll fly to PBM this summer (at least their slot requests at AMS don't point in such a flight).

As for the B747-400. If this is true one destination will loose the B747-400. Given it's unlikely that KLM will use a B747-400M for AMS-PBM flights, the following destinations can loose a a few full pax B747-400 flights: JNB, NRT or KIX (probably AMS-JNB-AMS as CPT will get their own B777 flight).

The government is so afraid for independent airlines to come to Suriname and just operate for a couple of months and then go belly up (money is a big thing), and leaving a mess for the government to clean up. They are very cautious with that...

Martinair an independent airline?????????


User currently offlineAnair80 From Suriname, joined Oct 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 13262 times:

Martinair is not an idependent airline, but they will be working with a couple of travel agencies who are independent. Sorry, This is what I meant. Look at when ITA (Inter tropical Aviation) was flying with Citybird from Brussels, or American Trans Air with Sky Liners, all of these went belly up, but the airlines did not. Citybird went out of business, but ATA did not. I'm not saying that martin air will got bankrupt, Who knows??... but they are stable " right now" but the government does not quite trust the tour operators/ surinam charter operators.. I guess....
as for losing a 747400 to the PBM destination.. that is what I would call time management/ operations management... They will by then hopefully get the 777/A330.. So they will replace the lost 747400 on a given route and replace that with a 777/A330.

 Big grin



User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 13261 times:

I would be eternally gratefull if KLM decided to continue from PBM to La Paz Bolivia (LPB).

Not only would they be the first non-american carrier to fly into LPB, they would also do me a huge favour, because I have to travel over there all the time and it is pretty difficult and expensive to get there under 24 hours.



Never be afraid of what you like. (Miles Davis)
User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 13217 times:

Yep, that's true Anair80. Authorities in Suriname are a little bit suspicious if it comes to charter traffic to/from Suriname, especially after what happened with Inter Tropical Aviation and their so called "bankrupcy". But from my point of view, Does & Cadushi is a reliable travel agency and they have the skills to accomplish a new route between AMS and PBM. They are quite succesful with their holiday packages in the Caribbean and Suriname. And co-operating with a reliable Dutch airline like Martinair, it would give future costumers and sponsors a lot of confidence for a succes as well.

As for the arrival hall, good to hear it has improved a bit. I must confess DC9; The old arrival hall has something romantic though  Big grin, but my memories with the old arrival hall aren't that good....you've mentioned the waiting times. Well, add stolen baggage, a temperature 20 times higher than the average climate in Suriname because of no airco, and a lot of argueing with those stupid military policemen with it.  Yeah sure

Well, at least I'm glad things are slightly changing in Suriname, and I can't wait to go back.....unfortunately not within the next 2 years. I will be heading for Australia upcoming summer, but hopefully when I come back next year.

As for the possible onward destinations, Surinam Airways only mentioned Fortaleza, Manaus and Recife as possible destinations. But you'll never know what will happen in the future. By the way: is there some kind of market between Bolivia and Suriname?

Cheers!

Danny (KL713)



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User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 13161 times:

I read an article on KLM's staff magazine (Volkenridder) that the reasoin why the airline charges so high fares is because is a one way traffic. Peak holiday seasons flights are overbooked and then quite empty. Is it correct?

Also since its a code share. Do they carry Surinam Airways personnel onboard? any sign of this airline?


User currently offlineDC9 From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 13127 times:

I know when flew KL/PY 713/714 back in 1999 they had SLM cabin crew and a captain on the inbound leg to PBM who was an SLM employee.

Does anyone know if PBM got the extra fire tuck they needed or if KLM is still flying in there on a special deal. When I was there they were not sure if KL would continue their flights because of the lack of fire equipment but obviously they have.


User currently offlineAnair80 From Suriname, joined Oct 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13041 times:

Yes, I believe they did receive that fire truck. They received two from Holland, I think that was about a year and a half ago. But I'm not positive about that.. I think I read about that in the paper. I guess if they had not received the trucks they would have long ago stop flying to PBM.
About the crew, yes Surinam Airways crew is trained and prepared for the KLM flight. I think what the two airlines are doing is that they are sharing the cabin, both KLM crew and SLM crew. Sometimes the Surinam cockpit crew does fly the plane. I think there are two or three 747 pilots working for SLM. and a couple of FOs'. On flights it is sometimes a Dutch crew coming to PBM, and out going it is a Surinam Crew.
What I also heard from some people in the industry, is that KLM contracts SLM crew to do the inflight cabin service. Comparing the Dutch to the surinamese crew, the surinam crew obviously is much more cheaper to pay. So they have a couple of KLM crew with overall SLM cabin crew onboard.
I think that makes sense. If the airline wants to save money use the cheap labor.
Personally I think the Surinam crew is far better (esp. on this route, they know the Surinam people their culture so they know alot more)... and ofcourse i think they are much politer than the Dutch. The Dutch may have the looks and ofcourse its their airline, but the surinamese crew have the attitude and spirit which most people on that flight are looking for (unless there is an annoying passenger onboard that makes their life pretty miserable). "No offense" but that is a fact... I have seen it for my self a couple of times...  Big grin

Regards.. Anair80



User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13001 times:

Not only firetruck, they also have some old Dutch buses...they look a bit like the old buses they still use for buffer traffic at AMS......I saw them 2 years ago at PBM.....

So the airport has been trough a transformation.....how about the road between the airport and downtown PBM? Have some pretty weird experiences with that road as well....  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12957 times:

I read an article on KLM's staff magazine (Volkenridder) that the reasoin why the airline charges so high fares is because is a one way traffic. Peak holiday seasons flights are overbooked and then quite empty. Is it correct?


It should be as a judge ruled that fares on the AMS-PBM flight are not unreasonably high due to higher cost associated with running the AMS-PBM flights (and KLM used this in its defense). During the case KLM also pointed out that PBM doesn't generate much capacity, the flight has higher security costs and the cooperation with SLM is also increasing cost.




User currently offlineAnair80 From Suriname, joined Oct 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12943 times:

Yep, The airport has been through A nice and small transformation...
At least the bathrooms are in working condition, and the baggage belt is working too!!!
The arrival hall is nice and cool, and it is soooo much cleaner!

Well about the road? It is still as bad as before, just a few holes have been closed, but for the rest it is still as the old. The only thing that has changed on that road is that it is fully lighted. There are bright street lights going all the way from the city to the airport. That is one good thing. The other bad thing is that the road is still as narrow and bumpy as a few years ago. I think the road workers from china were going to redo the whole street. But that I'm not so sure about...

Looking forward to a whole new road and more facilities at the airport.
How about some more flights!!! So people can start hanging out at the airport all day!!! Or like in AMS, the cool Mc Donalds next to the runway and near long term parking!
Ohh I wish PBM could change to something so much bigger and nicer!

 Smile




User currently offlineDC9 From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12899 times:

I wish PBM and all the Surinameese people a prosperous future where all their resources all used to its full extent.


User currently offlineLuxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 834 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12889 times:
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Hi Folks,

I was there in Februay this year. Yeaphh the departure hall seems new to me,
clean and good airconditionned but for the check in they opened only 1 counter an that for lets say 500 passengers!!! So guess how long the check in time was??? It is realy worth to visit that beautyful country filled with a lot of friendly people  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Anair, I tried to make a shot of their MD87 ?? or 80 ??
but when we arrived the aircraft was parked half in their maintenance hangar
and it was almost dark. So I got a picture of two but have still to develop the film! If they are ok then I will post you the pictures, ok? At our departure the MD was not there anymore! The road is still in a bad shape behalf of a little part of it where they renewed the tramac!

The flight was as on a 747-300 with a mixed crew of KLM and SLM staff.
I will return next year but then hopefully in one of their cute 747-400 maybe a
dream but maybe not, who knows?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Marvin Lee Cooper
User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

I hope SLM once will get the opportunity to operate their own aircraft on the PBM-AMS route......

For a school project I created my own SLM not so long time ago...with PBM as a important hub, a big fleet and a quite extensive network Big grin, yeah...."keep on dreaming"; that's what a lot of people said to me afterwards.....well, I will just keep that dream....one day SLM and PBM will beat all main hubs and carriers in South America and the Caribbean.....just keep that in mind  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineDC9 From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12832 times:

Luxair

The "MD" is a DC9-51 PZ-TCK "District of Wanica" delivered 09nov 1999 by a very close relative of mine Big grin


User currently offlineAnair80 From Suriname, joined Oct 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12844 times:

Luxair,
Hope those pics come out alright. I hope anyone that gets a chance to take a shot TAKE IT!!!  Big grin
Ohh also how was it when you arrived? At the arrival hall? Was it also nice or not?
So, anyone know if the MD-82 is already in full service? I heard the crew was still training and so they have to charter other carriers to temporarily keep operations going!! Does anyone know about it?
I know my dad went to Brazil last week and SLM chartered a 737-200 (Crappy and old as hell... ) from RUTACA from Venezuela..
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He said that was the worst flight he had been on for many many years...
So I sure hope that SLM will start flying that baby soon, and make some good $$$.
In my dreams: "Maybe they become so successful that they acquire their own 747/777".
One time I did hear SLM talk about leasing their own 767 / 777, when relations with KLM were not so good, that was about a year or two ago. But things seem to be fine now. For now I guess that idea is in storage for now...
Things that were also talked about, was that KLM wanted to operate their own service to and from PBM, and that SLM would have to go independently... But they are still together, so who knows what will happen.
Wouldn't it be nice, a 777 in SLM colors!!! WOW, am I dreaming or what!

Reagrds...Anair80


User currently offlineAnair80 From Suriname, joined Oct 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12831 times:

DC9,
Didn't the DC9-51 already leave the country, that's what i heard?, i believe the aircraft which luxair is talking about was the new MD-82 or not??
Maybe i'm worng...  Big grin



User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12808 times:

yeah, that's what I was wondering as well.....is the DC-9 still there?....


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User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12794 times:

btw Anair80,

for long-haul operations, I had the A340 in my project  Big grin



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User currently offlineDC9 From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12776 times:

Anair 80 and KL713

or maybe I am wrong which I usualy am  Innocent

If this is the case what is the name/reg of the new machine?



User currently offlineAnair80 From Suriname, joined Oct 2000, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12749 times:

DC9,
That is a very good question! I have no clue what the reg / name is..... I'll can try to find out.. but if I can find it, that is another good question..

KL713, WOW, the A340, that is pretty cool. What destinations did you have in your project? And what other cool planes did SLM have?
WOW, certainly keep that dream in mind... One day it can hopefully be a true national carrier of Suriname!!! GO SLM.... The current SLM manager is doing a pretty good job... he has certainly tried to bring SLM out of the red numbers .. and he should definitely get credit for that... But the future of the airline is now still a big mystery
BTW, did SLM in your project operate on its own or in partnership with others?






User currently offlineLuxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 834 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12741 times:
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DC9, I'm for 100% sure that it was no DC9 what I saw on the Tarmac in PBM because the tail of that aircraft was
flat so the MD82 and the DC9 as far as I know have different tails ( I don't know exactly how to explain but you as an expert DC9  Smile/happy/getting dizzy know for sure what I mean)

Anair80, the arrival hal was older than the departure but it was clean and the only remark I have to do is that I was waiting for an hour ore more before getting my lugguage but who cares, I was on holiday so in enjoyed
looking at the people working on the ramp  Smokin cool



Marvin Lee Cooper
25 Luxair : Maybe Anair80 or somebody else can help me out to find some information on this aircraft PZ-NAI, it is a Cessna 172M Skyhawk registered in Surinam. Wh
26 Post contains images Anair80 : Hey Luxair, Humm, about the crash I have no idea, I know I heard about it, and read about it in the paper online, but about the technical parts...(wha
27 Post contains images DC9 : Isn't Torarica good enough for the KLM crews? I myself prefered Residence Inn. Even if soup of the day was tomato soup for 14 days Luxair: I with tha
28 Anair80 : Yep, your right, Torarica is still good enough and it is still used for the crew, but because they are going to change the whole airport around and it
29 Post contains images KL713 : Wow, that's great news about a new departure hall! The current departure hall is not that old, but if the amount of flights to/from PBM are really abo
30 Post contains images Luxair : DC9 Mmiammmhhh Tomato soup, I like tomato soup but urghhh not for 2 weeks and honestly not in Paramaribo that's more something for a could Dutch winte
31 Anair80 : Wow, this all sounds like an interesting dream project.... Yep.. we certainly need a good spotting place at PBM. Did you guys know about the road behi
32 Anair80 : Hey Guys, Here some more updates... Yes, the airport construction project will be a go, actually is already a go. They have already started building a
33 Post contains images KL713 : Telo, Tjauw min, Roti.....now you're talkin! That would be the specialty of Jopie Pengel's fastfood facilities..... but seriously, there must be some
34 Lj : I wouldn't be surprised if I see new airlines coming to Suriname in the next couple of years if all the new plans really will become reality..... KL71
35 Anair80 : Yep, Who knows... We don't know who has an interest in coming to PBM. I hope airlines like BA/LH/ even any American carrier comes to PBM. That would b
36 Post contains images DC9 : Even I as a Norwegian dream of success for PBM and SLM. I wish I could relive my 10 day visit from 1999. Oh, as far as Tomato Soup is concerned we ski
37 KL713 : Anair80, maybe that's one of the main reasons the government refused some carriers in the past few years for flights to/from PBM....afraid of the posi
38 Post contains images KL713 : DC9, if you have any plans in the near future to visit Suriname....make it at least 1 month to enjoy....10 days is way too less (altough I understand
39 Anair80 : Yep, DC9 and KL713, Suriname is the type of place to stay abit longer than 10 days, Go into the forest and or Republiek a little. WOW, do i love that
40 Post contains images KL713 : Unfortunately, I never searched for good spotting places near Jopie Pengel....all my last visits were pure family and business trips.....the next time
41 Post contains links and images Anair80 : Hey KL713, Just be careful, They Might kick you out if security comes around, or if the 747 comes in, they usually have the fire trucks on standby in
42 Post contains images KL713 : wow! I would love to see those US militairy charters.....is there no possibility to find their schedules trough some source in the US? My next trip to
43 Post contains images Anair80 : Well i don't know about those charters... I have no clue how to find that out online. I know some people at the US embassy though, so maybe they can t
44 Post contains images KL713 : no computer with me....but a lot of backpacker hostels down under (and obviously in Hongkong and Thailand as well, gonna make short stops over there)
45 KL713 : btw Anair, do you know if Universal Airlines still has operations to PBM? and how are the BW flights from POS doing at the moment? Any idea how the lo
46 Post contains links and images Anair80 : Hey KL 713, From what I saw a couple of months ago, SLM still works with Universal, but if they currently still do it I'm not so sure. Universal does
47 Post contains images KL713 : thanx Anair, if you have any more information on the SLM and Surinamese aviation....could you send me an email?...or try MSN....I guess you will have
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