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8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6816 posts, RR: 7
Posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Caption for a photo on p41 of Air Line Pilot for July 1970:

"James R. Bede (center), Cleveland aircraft designer and pilot, shows off a model of the "powered glider" he designed and flew to a world record 8,924 nonstop miles."

The caption goes on to suggest that the record was observed by the NAA-- so you'd think it would be in the record book, unless somebody beat it since. I haven't found any such thing.

Was it a misprint? Anybody know what the actual record was?

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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8088 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

It would take WEEKS to fly that long in one of those flying lawnmowers. Probably need to move the decimal place to the left. Maybe twice.


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User currently offlineDeltaASA16 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

People have flown Gliders for over 1000 miles at a time! Not motor powered either! Just catch that big ass thermal and ride it way up and ride between thermals between states(USA) Big grin

8924 seems like a big stretch....But then again, in the record books, a person flew a Cessna for about 51-52 days nonstop! Refueling by air!



DeltaASA16


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

"a person flew a Cessna for about 51-52 days nonstop"

I do not think I could survive that. Where the hell did he go to the bathroom?




FSP


User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Same way we did when towing banners, probibly. Go in the piss jar. Or use a relief tube.


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User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

This is the Jim Bede of BD-5 fame. The record setting plane was a conversion of a Schweizer sailplane (2-32 I think...) Called the BD-2. Records were set in 10-69 for distance over a closed course.

User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

This was probably Jim Bede's best known design (at least to carry his name...) He was invovled in the design of several famous a/c. No luck so far trying to find the actual record, although it is quoted in several places on the web.

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User currently offlineWoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1032 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

The following site has world-records:

http://www.fai.org/records/


Looks like the longest glider flight is 1646 km out and return, there are others out there.

Couldn't find the one for the motor glider.

Looks like the highest absolute altitude a glider has reached is 14938m or 49790ft.

It's not just only thermals that can get you the long flight, if you've got a good ridge lift, you can follow a mountain range for a long way. Once you get hight enough you can catch the rotors (the ones that powered airplanes avoid because of turbulence) to go higher.




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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

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Same way we did when towing banners, probibly. Go in the piss jar. Or use a relief tube.>>


What if you have to go number 2?


User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

High protien, low fibre diet helped, but we never flew more than 6.5 hours nonstop, so I never really had a problem with it. However, I've heard stories from those that didn't have as good control of their bowels the following story:

Nowhere to land, our intrepid aviatior had a pressing problem. He HAD to go. Turn away at this point if you are easily offended. Ok, knew you were all still here. Our resourceful hero undid his seatbelt and slid back the canopy (did I mention this happened in an Ercoupe?). He elevated his posterior above the seat and spread a sectional across it. He took care of business, wrapped up the package, and jettisoned it over the side.

At this point he realized that he just threw out his chart. D'oh!

Seriously, from my experience, it's something you just get good a controling. I've never actually had to use my piss jar. Intentional dehydration might have something to do with it though.

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Mike



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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

How can you refuel a Cessna single prop in mid-air? Custom built fueling vents like those military fighters? who supplies the fuel? I am sure tankers cant fly in front of the cessna due to wake .

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

You fly 2-3 meters above the runway while the guys drive the truck along the runway and hand up fuel. The record was just over 60 days in a C172. In 1958, maybe.

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

You fly 2-3 meters above the runway while the guys drive the truck along the runway and hand up fuel.

You are kidding rite??? Dangerous approach that one.. and how can the truck keep up with the speed of the Cessna?  Wow!


User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

You've never flown a Cessna, have you? A skyhawk stalls at around 45 knots, and can fly quite comfortably in ground effect at 55 knots or so, thats 63mph. Figure in a headwind, and you're going even slower.

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Mike



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

2912n mentioned the BD-2, and now I see that a BD-2 (powered by a 210-hp Continental) flew a 10000-mile closed circuit in 1981. So I guess it's not a misprint-- it just wasn't a glider or motorglider record.

Presumably the 1981 record is still the greatest distance ever flown nonstop unrefuelled by a single-engine aircraft?


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