Flyin1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 4 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7681 times:
For a senior in high school deciding between schools its nice to get advice and I thaught this would be a great place for feed back. right now I'm looking at Embry Riddle and University North Dakota but all suggestions are appreciated.
Av8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7626 times:
I have a couple friends up at Riddle in Prescott,AZ. It isnt a bad school,have heard the usual issues about being able to rent planes (mx issues,etc), but if you want training and a degree Embry Riddle is not a bad place to go. Keep in mind that given the current state of the industry, most any place you go will not get you into an airline right away upon graduation.
Res From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7597 times:
Be careful on a swift decision. Riddle won't get you in the cockpit until 18 months of schooling. Thats one thing they have up their sleeve. I would also highly recommend NOT attenting Riddle for your freshman year since it's about 23,000 dollars wasted on general ed. classes i.e. english 101, calculus. There's a junior college not far from Prescott Riddle and it is Yavapai Community college which is one of the top 3 junior colleges in the country, if not world. I attented Yavapai for a semester but had a bit of a change of career plans (corporate aviation rather than commercial) so I currently go to Scottsdale community college close to home.
The college i just might attend is Spartan school of aeronautics. This is in Tulsa, OK and it is geared more toward coporate aviation and you will be flying in just 3 weeks.
Spartan also has a reasonable advantage over riddle. The fact that riddle (either campus) has such great flying weather, you are only exposed to simple flying. Spartan teaches you in all sorts of foul weather flying so when you get a full time job, you're not going to be shakin in your boots like you might be had you attended Riddle, being exposed to nice weather...get what i'm saying?
Sushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7567 times:
I would not go to Riddle, You can get the same training anywhere else for a fraction of the price.
I heard that a Riddle graduate flunked out of Skywest's ground school not too long ago. It is all the same training just different prices IMO.
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6243 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7552 times:
Riddle is a prety good school if you want to become a pilot - RES what do you mean Riddle won't get you in a cockpit until 18 months of schooling, Alot of people start flying a month after they begin their freshmen year.On the bad side- It is very expensive to fly here and once you start flight training in the school they will only count the hours you have flown at Riddle for your ratings. About the general ed. classes - they just do that to sort of make it a well rounded education . The best way for you to make a decision is to visit all your top schools- evaluate the different campuses, the school, and make your decision based on what you saw not on what people tell you (people have different opinions on what they see as a good school).
CcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7553 times:
I am going through the same thing with Western Michigan University and Lewis. They both are nice schools and I just wanted to let you know that some schools in the midwest are great. I know a lot of schools in Illinois and other states that offer aviation flight. If you want to know about some schools where I live at(in the IL, MI, and MO area schools) you can contact me.
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MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7546 times:
I took one year of flight training at Louisiana Tech University. They had a fleet of about 12 Cessna 152's, some 172's, 172rg's, and some Beech Baron's I believe. It was a good program. They just built a new aviation building on the main campus, very high-tech. The flight training is done at the new Ruston Airport, about 5 miles from campus, which has a nice 5000ft runway, new(but small) terminal building, an FBO or two, and the Tech flight ops center. LATech has a very nice campus, but the downside is there is not too much to do in the town itself, although SHV, 1 hour drive west, is s decent-sized place, as is MLU, 30 minutes East. I thought the non-aviation classes were very well taught. I was originally going to go to UND, but the thought of braving those harsh winters was too much to take. In any case, just do some research, and visit the school's if you can to get a feel for what they offer.
Brianhames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7529 times:
ERAU or UND? Neither.
I'd go to the Mesa Airlines Pilot Development Program in either Farmington, NM, or Phoenix, AZ. I'd recommend the one in Phoenix because you get a bachelors degree there, rather than an associates in Farmington. I have a cousin and a friend in the program in Farmington and its a great program. Its 5 semesters long, straight through, you can start from scratch with absolutly no experience. It breaks down like this...
1st Semester: Private (Beech 36 Bonanzas)
2nd Semester: Time Building with Cross Countries (Beech 36 Bonanzas)
3rd Semsester: Commercial and Instrument Ratings (Beech 36 Bonanzas)
4th Semester: Multi-Engine (Beech 58 Baron)
5th Semester: Turbine (Beech 1900D)
This program trains you specifically for commercial airline flying. You come out with everything you need except an ATP since you probably won't have 1500 hours by the time you're through. However, You are guarenteed an interview with Mesa Airlines (since they train you) after you're done with the school. And you're allowed to fly with the airline until you get 1500 hours and can earn an ATP.
This program is better than ERAU or UND because you're just about guarenteed a job, I know grads from EARU who graduated years ago and still have no hope of a job. So this is really the way to go if you want to fly commercial.
Flyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7526 times:
WMU has 40 Skyhawk 172 (all from 99 and up), 2 Extra 300's, 3 Mooney Ovations, 4 Piper Seminoles, 5 Piper Seneca's and a Piper Cub Sea Plane. Not to mention we continually beat other high ranking *cough cough* embry riddle, Purdue, UND, etc. in flight competitions.
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7517 times:
I am Graduating in December 2003 from high scholl (summer is in december january and february here in panama) I think i will probably go With UND becouse of the price vs what you get. send an request for brochures. Also check out University of Saint louis program and the Oklahoma university program
De727ups From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7504 times:
My advice is get a non-aviation degree in a subject you enjoy besides flying. The airlines don't care what kind of degree you have and if you do it right, part 61 instruction can be as good as an academy....and much cheaper. I just met a recent UND grad who is going to help me with some free-lance instructing. He's working as a bank teller to pay the bills......
Jcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7498 times:
I'm sorta in the same position you are right now. (in fact I'll be attending the "Embry Riddle's accepted students" meeting tomorrow in Manhattan). I applied to Embry Riddle, Purdue, St. Louis University and The Air Force Academy. I just found out the other day that I got accepted to the Air Force Academy, and was accepted everywhere else in December, so I'll probably go to the Air Force Academy.
Anyway, before I did get in I was contemplating St. Louis University and Embry Riddle. Saint Louis probably has the best aeronautic program (professional pilot) from what I heard and was told out of all the colleges. It is a pretty respectable college, and because it is not solely an aeronautics college, you can also study different subjects. St. Louis' tuition is about $30K a year, but I received a 1/2 scholarship there just based on academics (1300 SAT and 3.65 GPA), so the standards weren't too incredibly high... Also, the tuition includes everything. There aren't any extra fees for anything etc.. I would have chosen St. Louis over Embry Riddle and every other college, except for the Academy any day, because as Embry Riddle and all the others are kind of "lagging" for lack of a better word, SLU is doing pretty well..
Anyway, if you did not apply to SLU, are are stuck between UND and Embry Riddle, I would suggest Riddle, because they're aviation reputation is a lot better than UND's. But, be prepared to shell out a lot of money at Riddle (30K+ a year), and "fight" for flight times. Also, because you're at a college whose primary purpose is to train pilots, your English and Math courses won't be that great, although UND's aren't that much better. I believe Riddle has better job placement than UND does, and again, because of the name, a lot of companies will hire you over a UND student most days.
What I recommend you do, if this is your type, is to go to Riddle, and join AFROTC (Air Force ROTC). After your freshman year, if you have a good GPA and pass the physical tests, you will be eligible to get a scholarship for the 3 remaining years. Then, all you have to do is serve actively for 4 or 5 years if you decide you don't want to fly in the Air Force, or 9 years if you do want to fly in the Air Force. The Air Force is great, because, especially in this economy, where almost no one is hiring, you're guaranteed flight time, and once you leave the Air Force, you are pretty much guaranteed a job anywhere, and have the edge over applicants not coming from a military background. But again the Air Force has to be your type of thing.
Av8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7485 times:
I will agree with De727ups on the fact that the airlines really dont care what the degree is in. All they are really looking for is the fact that you are educateable, since they will be spending thousands of dollars on you to train you for their aircraft. It is kind of a way of weeding out the people who really dont want to be there.
Miller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 722 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7476 times:
The reputation of the industry seems to be with UND, Purdue and WMU. From what I've seen these three schools are highly regarded by people who stay informed with the system, and they're keeping an eye on Auburn as an up-and-comer. Riddle seems to be just too narrowminded on aviation, and is really creating a reputation of producing arrogant VFR pilots. One great thing I've heard about UND is that they produce great pilots who make great employees, and from what I've seen, I agree. Its also said that Purdue puts out very high quality airline pilots, with the 727 sims, two years of turbojet training and rumors of a new 737-800 sim, however actual time coming out of Purdue suffers at less than 300 I believe. WMU puts out a high quantity of pilots but I've heard complaints about not flying for a while there.
These are just the opinions I've heard from airline execs. If you want my opinion, don't get a "pilot" degree. When push comes to shove, the airlines just want hours and a degree (although thats not even required). I'd suggest something else you enjoy, and aggressively fly on the side. Hours Hours Hours!
Phxinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7459 times:
It's your money, but I couldn't imagine paying Embry Riddle nearly $100k to become a pilot. Yes, you get a bachelor's degree for that amount, but you can get the same degree from a state school for a fraction of the cost.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7814 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7454 times:
As has already been pointed out there are a lot more than just Riddle and UND when it comes to professional pilot B.S. programs. Certainly worth poking around to see what else there is.
But honestly, why not just attend the local state university and pursue your flight training at the same time. Probably will cost you a lot less to begin with and you can pursue a degree that will have meaning outside of aviation and have a non-aviation related social life as well (I know that is a shocker to many of you). You'd have to be juggling your time between classes and flight training at the aviation school anyways, so there is no disadvantage to staying local and flying on your own time.
One more thing. I am VERY glad that I did not pursue an aviation related career. When I was applying to college I was going to be an Aerospace Engineering major. Long story short, I was on the verge of failing calculus in my senior yr of HS, dropped the course and changed my major prior to going to orientation. Didn't want to deal with the math and science that would have just made my life miserable for the next 4-years. I ended finding something that I am passionate about and enjoy intellectually. And I'll keep aviation as a hobby. I would still like to get my pilot's license one of these days, but not as big a deal as it used to be. Just more stuff to keep in mind.
[Edited 2003-03-22 21:44:22]
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DeltaASA16 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7433 times:
I've already been accepted At Riddle(FL) and MTSU. Know, I am just waiting to see about the $ issue cause Riddle doesn't come cheap! I have visited both univesities and must say that both schools have aviation programs unlike anything in Virginia. I hope to go to Riddle, But I will happily go to MTSU if riddle doesn't fall through!
Pilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7387 times:
>>Its also said that Purdue puts out very high quality airline pilots, with the 727 sims, two years of turbojet training and rumors of a new 737-800 sim, however actual time coming out of Purdue suffers at less than 300 I believe. <<
Purdue signed a letter of intent to take hold of a 737-800 sim for $1.8 million. Don't know if it's full-motion like our 727-200 sim, but at that price you can be the judge (as I don't know how much sims can go for).
It is rumored that we will be training ATA's pilots in that new sim.
Goboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2739 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7364 times:
Interesting no one has mentioned Daniel Webster College which is where I go, I guess because it's a small school in New Hampshire. However, with only 250 flight students, I am impressed with amount of airplanes we have here, listed in the approximate order in which you might fly them:
19 C172R (about 1999)
4 G-109B (motorglider)
5 Cap-10 (2 seat aerobatic)
4 Mooney M20J
3 Piper Arrow (2003)
3 Piper Seminole (2003)
3 Cessna Crusaders
Although ERAU may have 99 airplanes and the largest General Aviation fleet in the world, you can clearly see here that their ratio of planes to students is far worse than it is at DWC. I'm not sure about other schools.
I'm only a freshman, and I have not had any problems with not being able to progress through the program so far. It's an expensive school, but I think you get your money's worth in return, especially if you're on a partial scholarship like me! A few seniors that are near graduating I've talked to will have their degree, single and multi-engine commercial rating, and CFI rating as well. I know of one who has an internship with Northwest Airlines. He has logged time in 747s, and Airbuses on delivery flights stopping in several locations in the North Atlantic. THAT is what I'd like to be doing my senior year! The website is www.dwc.edu.
AirCanadaMan From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7360 times:
I got accepted to both, and chose UND, for pretty much the same reasons stated above. UND is a real University, not just a University devoted to one field of study, so there is some variety, and a chance to minor in a totally seperate field (nice back-up). Not to mention sports, if youre athletic, and want to compete NCAA Divison 1 or 2, in a variety of sports, forget ERAU.
North Dakota garauntees IMC, snow and all sorts of flying conditions, it comes with the territory, try getting that in the middle of the Arizona desert.
Cost, ERAU is super expensive, UND is a little cheaper. (Most flight programs cost a lot anyway)
The internship program at UND seems to be unparalleled anywhere else (ASA, Northwest to namea few), and all sorts of little things appealed to me.
Again, different people like different things, so if you chose to go into a flight program, chose well, and one that is made on your preferences and feelings, not others.
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