N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
Notice I did not actually make an assertion but wondered aloud whether aircraft selection played a factor behind the scenes. I also did read that Boeing-operator Virgin received ORY slots. However if I were running EasyJet and had an eye on a bunch of slots at Orly, I certainly would not ignore the rumored Airbus=Paris-slots factor when choosing new aircraft.
In any case, I am sure this decision will bring considerable benefits to consumers traveling to and from Paris.
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3996 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3199 times:
Slots in the EU are allocated under a system prescribed by an EU regulation. The slots are allocated by an independent non-governmental body which can be, depending on the country in question, a foundation, a corporation or an individual. In the UK, for example, it is ACL Ltd., a corporation in which UK airlines hold shares. How the slots are allocated is, of course, tightly regulated and by no means discretionary. So any suggestion that the award of slots to Easyjet is related to Easyjet buying Airbus aircraft can only be based on some sort of paranoia and not on facts
The system is, by the way, totally different from the US system as in the EU, slots are not regarded as an airline's property - which is the reason why the Air Lib slots were allocated by the French slot co-ordinator and not sold by Air Lib's liquidator.
It will be interesting to find out how Virgin Express and Aeris will get the operation up and running. There were rumours in the past weeks that both are interested in taking over some of Air Lib's assets including some MD83s.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3151 times:
Presumably, they'll aim to provide services to EZY's existing hubs first - such as LGW, LTN, LPL, then NCL, ORY and then other EZY destinations, such as MAD, LIN and ZRH, before adding new destinations.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2773 times:
If you have any knowledge about slots coordination, you would know that the Slots management is totally independant from the state and other influence groups, including airlines.
In France as well? Remember most things are state-owned or state-run there either openly or behind the scenes.
Slots in the EU are allocated under a system prescribed by an EU regulation. The slots are allocated by an independent non-governmental body which can be, depending on the country in question, a foundation, a corporation or an individual. In the UK, for example, it is ACL Ltd., a corporation in which UK airlines hold shares. How the slots are allocated is, of course, tightly regulated and by no means discretionary.
Noone says that corporation can't be state-owned (or owned by state-owned companies...).
Since when has France ever kept to EU regulations when they didn't suit them? Remember the BSE crisis? The EU ban on British beef was lifted after they got it under control but France kept theirs even after the European court ordered them to lift it. Just one example of France ignoring the EU for their own economical gain.
Not saying EZY got the slots ONLY because they ordered French fries for their fleet, but I'm almost certain that at least the number of slots is higher because of it.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2748 times:
It's still quiet in Belgium and Germany. I expect a response. I was called ignorant and paranoid. I politely accepted an explanation and left it alone. Now I have some credible evidence that France is trading slots for Airbus orders and now there is deafening silence.
Varig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2710 times:
as discussed before, I have also doubts about the MH deal...this is to strange to be innocent for me too, though I find it lothable if that's the case
but as far as propaganda from the "NW source" is concerned:
"According to recent French news reports, the French airport authority gave Malaysia Airlines landing rights at Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport three days after an order for six Airbus A380s. The airline had been seeking access for five years.
French accounts have indicated similar treatment for the British low-cost carrier easyJet, which bought 120 Airbus A319s"
please look at the facts : EZ got 7000 something slots, while virgin express which is in no-way a 'bus operator was given 5000 something
So as an airline if you have to buy 120 'buses to get only a lousy advantage of 2000 slots over a boeing fleet operator....then either the French are damn good negociators or the airlines CEO are dummies....maybe both!!
yes France is a bureaucracy country where nothing works and where there are strikes all the times.....that's why your fellow countrymen chose it as their 1st vacation destination I suppose : it reminds them home....
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Justplanesmart From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2691 times:
As someone who reads the Seattle Times daily, I can assure you that they are far from "Boeing's PR Department". In recent years, they seem to be very critical of Boeing, to the point where Boeing has disputed some articles quite vigorously.
"So many planes; so little time..."
: Just to add that also the new Italian low cost airlines Volareweb got 3650 slots. They are planning to use its newly allocated Paris Orly slots to tra
: Eg777er and VarigMD-11, The Seattle Times is a highly credible newspaper. Insulting the newspaper is not a refutation of the actual argument. That the
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: Airblue thanks to point it out and welcome to Volare in a real Parisian airport instead of 2hours away Beauvais N79969 I'm not insulting this newspape
: VarigMD-11, That was directed more at Eg777ER. I should have clarified that point. I don't think there is an instance of Airbus being victimized in th
: 2000 slots over Virgin Blue is a 40% advantage. 1. It's Virgin Express for a start. 2. Have you ever considered that slots are awarded according to th
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: N79969 Airbus has always been supported 100% by France and the other partners - don't focus on ex-friend France please - because otherwise we never wo
: Eg777ER, Yes, you have supplied the same distorted response once again. Unlike on this side of the Atlantic, there was never a man named Pierre Airbus
: If the French would have thanked easyJet for its purchase of 120 A319s then they would have given easyJet the slots they asked for and not only 7,300
: N79969, Boeing is also "well" protected by the US government. It let Boeing take over MDD; taking out an competitor. Boeing's military wings is doing
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: AirDD you open a front I would have never dared....though I agree with you
: everyone is always talking aobut the subsudization of boeing through the military. if boeing commercial required military subsidization, why would boe
: Doug_Or Well, Boeing makes a profit on the commercial division since the R&D is paid for. airDD
: 120 Airbus A319s = 7000 landing slots at Orly.
: AirDD, Airbus is part of EADS. BCAG is part of Boeing. EADS is a huge defense contractor. You don't think that EADS uses corporate knowledge developed
: N79969, First of all, I don't deny that Airbus gets government help but my point is Boeing is getting it too. If you do some more research in EADS you
: AirDD, As far as I know, the UK and Germany do not fly F-16s. They are longstanding members of NATO. EADS produces the Eurofighter (or soon will) and
: N79969, Again, I don't defend Airbus, I just want to explain that Boeing get government help too. First 521 F16's were delivered to Belgium, Holland,
: The US has had Canadian and Israeli-built fighters and aggressors in the inventory. The other thing to consider is that the state of European military
: Unlike on this side of the Atlantic, there was never a man named Pierre Airbus in Tolouse that started a company and organically grew into the airline
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: quote "It makes sense for the Europeans to buy US weaponry" I agree, but that's exactly the point :thinking this way, we europeans shouldn't have star
: VarigMd-11, I understand your point. Actually, I take it into account in one of my earlier posts where I exclude the A300 from my analysis. I do not b
: If my memory serves me correctly,UA bought 20 Caravelles,no airlines in the Unites States bought or operated Tridents at all. This has turned out into
: Although I'm not against Boeing, I doubt you also have a selective memory. Do you know how US government worked for Korean Air's 27+ 737s and Korean
: The L-1011 killed Lockheed, what is now the world's largest defense contractor and possibly one of the world's largest companies? Not so much. The US
: BA319-131, I am very concerned about how these sales are financed. Some of this financing distorts trade and moves jobs. You should be concerned as a
: Read the past years worth of press releases on the EK website. They mention how they planned on spending it somewhere. Its perfectly common for the US
: I am not complaining about commercial diplomacy. I don't think that threatening one private-owned airline to buy 27 737s, for financial aid to Korean
: Gigneil, I think I found the press release to which you are referring. It is the October 2002 release. You cannot be serious. Given the arithmetic inv