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EasyJet Awarded 7,300 Paris Slots  
User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

The authority charged with allocating France's air traffic slots said it has awarded easyJet 7,300 of ex-Air Lib's 44,528 annual slots at Paris' Orly airport.

Virgin Express was awarded 5,840 and Air France was allowed 2,920 slots.


Watch out AF, the low costs are coming en masse!!



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Given all the rumors about past slot awards, I wonder if the purchase of 120 A319's sealed the deal for them.

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Hello

What new destinations out of ORY are planned by Easy, Virgin and AF?

Thanks for any infos!

RJ100



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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

This should be intresting to see how this develops if they have that many slots how many new routes will they fly and is it from amediate effect?

User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Maybe this will finally mean an LGW-ORY route will be started!

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

N79969,

If you have any knowledge about slots coordination, you would know that the Slots management is totally independant from the state and other influence groups, including airlines.



Shiek!
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

So who allocates slots, France or the EU?

I think my question is fair. Unlike airports anywhere else in Europe, there has been speculation that French authorities looked favorably upon Airbus operators when awarding slots at Paris airports.


User currently offlineCorsairf/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Aeris hs been given about the same amount of slot as Esay jet and does not operate any Airbus aircraft (B767/737), Virgin and Aigle Azur as well. So stop with the Airbus planes=more slots

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Notice I did not actually make an assertion but wondered aloud whether aircraft selection played a factor behind the scenes. I also did read that Boeing-operator Virgin received ORY slots. However if I were running EasyJet and had an eye on a bunch of slots at Orly, I certainly would not ignore the rumored Airbus=Paris-slots factor when choosing new aircraft.

In any case, I am sure this decision will bring considerable benefits to consumers traveling to and from Paris.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Slots in the EU are allocated under a system prescribed by an EU regulation. The slots are allocated by an independent non-governmental body which can be, depending on the country in question, a foundation, a corporation or an individual. In the UK, for example, it is ACL Ltd., a corporation in which UK airlines hold shares. How the slots are allocated is, of course, tightly regulated and by no means discretionary. So any suggestion that the award of slots to Easyjet is related to Easyjet buying Airbus aircraft can only be based on some sort of paranoia and not on facts  Wink/being sarcastic

The system is, by the way, totally different from the US system as in the EU, slots are not regarded as an airline's property - which is the reason why the Air Lib slots were allocated by the French slot co-ordinator and not sold by Air Lib's liquidator.

It will be interesting to find out how Virgin Express and Aeris will get the operation up and running. There were rumours in the past weeks that both are interested in taking over some of Air Lib's assets including some MD83s.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Thanks for the explanation Vfw614.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

The latest timetable edition from ADP (Aéroports de Paris), which is valid until late July, announces two daily EZY flights from CDG to CIA.

So far I haven't found any other new additions to EZY's Paris services, but this timetable has about 120 pages of nonstop flights, so it will take some time.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Presumably, they'll aim to provide services to EZY's existing hubs first - such as LGW, LTN, LPL, then NCL, ORY and then other EZY destinations, such as MAD, LIN and ZRH, before adding new destinations.

User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2359 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

They are reportedly also interested in Barcelona, Marseilles, Milan and Nice from Orly.


Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2853 times:


No, I was not being paranoid.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134668582_boeing04.html

The timing of the slot grants is highly suspicious.


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Were the slots issued to Airbus operators because they bought Airbus? Probably not.

Is it possible? Yes.

Just because the system is designed to prevent such occurences doesn't mean they won't happen.

That being said, I doubt one has anything to do with the other.

Also, AF has little to fear. 7300 annual slots means only 20 flights per day (7300/365). 5840 means only 16 flights per day (5840/365).

Not exactly what I'd call a massive intrusion onto AF's turf.



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

I believe that the slot-allocation racket is limited to Paris. It is highly suspicious that MH waited five years for slots at CDG (or was it ORY?) and then get them 3 days after buying the 380.

If I recall correctly, the Pakistani media does not like the USA all that much. But they are allegedly reporting retaliation by the Europeans for the recent PIA 777 order.


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2812 times:
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5840 is 15 flights a day. it is rounded to 15.013698630136986301369863013699.

Taken from Calculator.

Leo/ORD



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

All quiet on the Belgian front...auch ruhig in Deutschland.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

If you have any knowledge about slots coordination, you would know that the Slots management is totally independant from the state and other influence groups, including airlines.

In France as well? Remember most things are state-owned or state-run there either openly or behind the scenes.

Slots in the EU are allocated under a system prescribed by an EU regulation. The slots are allocated by an independent non-governmental body which can be, depending on the country in question, a foundation, a corporation or an individual. In the UK, for example, it is ACL Ltd., a corporation in which UK airlines hold shares. How the slots are allocated is, of course, tightly regulated and by no means discretionary.

Noone says that corporation can't be state-owned (or owned by state-owned companies...).
Since when has France ever kept to EU regulations when they didn't suit them? Remember the BSE crisis? The EU ban on British beef was lifted after they got it under control but France kept theirs even after the European court ordered them to lift it. Just one example of France ignoring the EU for their own economical gain.

Not saying EZY got the slots ONLY because they ordered French fries for their fleet, but I'm almost certain that at least the number of slots is higher because of it.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

It's still quiet in Belgium and Germany. I expect a response. I was called ignorant and paranoid. I politely accepted an explanation and left it alone. Now I have some credible evidence that France is trading slots for Airbus orders and now there is deafening silence.

User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2668 times:


This is a very sad day for European aviation.

A cancer is taking over the whole of Europe. The names, EasyJet and Ryanair, who definately win the piss-pot for God awful service.

These vermin should be stopped as soon as possible. I don't know ADP let Easy Jet have slots. I would have thought they would have wanted to try and protect Air France.







User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

N79969, I would have thought that you had learned by now not to take anything written about Airbus/France in the Seattle Times as 'credible evidence'!

'Written by Boeing's PR Department' is a more acurate description IMHO!  Smile


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1581 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Dear N79969

as discussed before, I have also doubts about the MH deal...this is to strange to be innocent for me too, though I find it lothable if that's the case

but as far as propaganda from the "NW source" is concerned:
"According to recent French news reports, the French airport authority gave Malaysia Airlines landing rights at Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport three days after an order for six Airbus A380s. The airline had been seeking access for five years.

French accounts have indicated similar treatment for the British low-cost carrier easyJet, which bought 120 Airbus A319s"

please look at the facts : EZ got 7000 something slots, while virgin express which is in no-way a 'bus operator was given 5000 something

So as an airline if you have to buy 120 'buses to get only a lousy advantage of 2000 slots over a boeing fleet operator....then either the French are damn good negociators or the airlines CEO are dummies....maybe both!!

Jwenting
yes France is a bureaucracy country where nothing works and where there are strikes all the times.....that's why your fellow countrymen chose it as their 1st vacation destination I suppose : it reminds them home....



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User currently offlineJustplanesmart From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

As someone who reads the Seattle Times daily, I can assure you that they are far from "Boeing's PR Department". In recent years, they seem to be very critical of Boeing, to the point where Boeing has disputed some articles quite vigorously.


"So many planes; so little time..."
25 Airblue : Just to add that also the new Italian low cost airlines Volareweb got 3650 slots. They are planning to use its newly allocated Paris Orly slots to tra
26 N79969 : Eg777er and VarigMD-11, The Seattle Times is a highly credible newspaper. Insulting the newspaper is not a refutation of the actual argument. That the
27 Varig md-11 : Airblue thanks to point it out and welcome to Volare in a real Parisian airport instead of 2hours away Beauvais N79969 I'm not insulting this newspape
28 N79969 : VarigMD-11, That was directed more at Eg777ER. I should have clarified that point. I don't think there is an instance of Airbus being victimized in th
29 Eg777er : 2000 slots over Virgin Blue is a 40% advantage. 1. It's Virgin Express for a start. 2. Have you ever considered that slots are awarded according to th
30 Post contains images Varig md-11 : N79969 Airbus has always been supported 100% by France and the other partners - don't focus on ex-friend France please - because otherwise we never wo
31 N79969 : Eg777ER, Yes, you have supplied the same distorted response once again. Unlike on this side of the Atlantic, there was never a man named Pierre Airbus
32 Lj : If the French would have thanked easyJet for its purchase of 120 A319s then they would have given easyJet the slots they asked for and not only 7,300
33 AirDD : N79969, Boeing is also "well" protected by the US government. It let Boeing take over MDD; taking out an competitor. Boeing's military wings is doing
34 Post contains images Varig md-11 : AirDD you open a front I would have never dared....though I agree with you
35 Doug_or : everyone is always talking aobut the subsudization of boeing through the military. if boeing commercial required military subsidization, why would boe
36 AirDD : Doug_Or Well, Boeing makes a profit on the commercial division since the R&D is paid for. airDD
37 CX747 : 120 Airbus A319s = 7000 landing slots at Orly.
38 N79969 : AirDD, Airbus is part of EADS. BCAG is part of Boeing. EADS is a huge defense contractor. You don't think that EADS uses corporate knowledge developed
39 AirDD : N79969, First of all, I don't deny that Airbus gets government help but my point is Boeing is getting it too. If you do some more research in EADS you
40 N79969 : AirDD, As far as I know, the UK and Germany do not fly F-16s. They are longstanding members of NATO. EADS produces the Eurofighter (or soon will) and
41 AirDD : N79969, Again, I don't defend Airbus, I just want to explain that Boeing get government help too. First 521 F16's were delivered to Belgium, Holland,
42 N79969 : The US has had Canadian and Israeli-built fighters and aggressors in the inventory. The other thing to consider is that the state of European military
43 Eg777er : Unlike on this side of the Atlantic, there was never a man named Pierre Airbus in Tolouse that started a company and organically grew into the airline
44 Varig md-11 : quote "It makes sense for the Europeans to buy US weaponry" I agree, but that's exactly the point :thinking this way, we europeans shouldn't have star
45 N79969 : VarigMd-11, I understand your point. Actually, I take it into account in one of my earlier posts where I exclude the A300 from my analysis. I do not b
46 Ba319-131 : If my memory serves me correctly,UA bought 20 Caravelles,no airlines in the Unites States bought or operated Tridents at all. This has turned out into
47 DatamanA340 : Although I'm not against Boeing, I doubt you also have a selective memory. Do you know how US government worked for Korean Air's 27+ 737s and Korean
48 Gigneil : The L-1011 killed Lockheed, what is now the world's largest defense contractor and possibly one of the world's largest companies? Not so much. The US
49 N79969 : BA319-131, I am very concerned about how these sales are financed. Some of this financing distorts trade and moves jobs. You should be concerned as a
50 Gigneil : Read the past years worth of press releases on the EK website. They mention how they planned on spending it somewhere. Its perfectly common for the US
51 DatamanA340 : I am not complaining about commercial diplomacy. I don't think that threatening one private-owned airline to buy 27 737s, for financial aid to Korean
52 N79969 : Gigneil, I think I found the press release to which you are referring. It is the October 2002 release. You cannot be serious. Given the arithmetic inv
53 Post contains links Duggan : ORY slots details : http://www.cohor.org/cohor_site/usr/news/upload/ORY_repartition_pool_LIB.PDF
54 Duggan : ORY slots details : http://www.cohor.org/cohor_site/usr/news/upload/ORY_repartition_pool_LIB.PDF
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