TIMBERWOLF24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 569 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4086 times:
Rumors are strong that ATA has ordered 5 767s plus 2 options. First A/C to arrive on base May 17. These A/C are to replace the L1011. It is also rumored that a contract will be finalized by the end of June for 9 EMB-145 for Chicago Express. Is this just a new twist on an old rumor or is there something to it this time?
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8818 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3892 times:
I wouldn't be surprised on the returned 767s, since they can pick those up pretty cheaply. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see ATA operating 764s in the future. They would be able to pack up to 375 in there, they have the range, and there is commanality with their new 753s.
LN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3807 times:
ATA needs an aircraft that can do 5000nm with full payload under all conditions. The 764 will have problems here, even though Boeing lists the range as 5614nm.
As far as I know, the 764 has never been an option. There are also few produced and awaiting new aircraft from the factory will take too long. The Varig rumor sounds likely - also some of the nine AA are to take this year that they neither want, nor can afford. Boeing have refused to defer delivery of these planes, as it would shut down the production line that right now is at its slowest possible pace ..
CcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2212 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3682 times:
Again I am saying this. No a 767 can't be able to go to MDW. This has been talked about a lot and they can't cause of the runways, the houses and the noise restrictions(and some other things). The largest they can handle in a Boeing would be a 757-300. They may use this plane for IND-LAS and other routes except MDW.
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ALSF 2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 89 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3665 times:
CcrIR is right.... No 767 for MDW!!!
This aircraft would ONLY be a replacement for the L1011's and not consist of new 767-400's. More than likely the 300 model as discussed above. Also, no ATA L1011 has ever landing at MDW, ORD yes...MDW no. If you recall ATA did ORD to Hawaii for a while, but in the last few years the L1011's were only used for Charter work. Much like these 767's would be used for.
P.s. Check out the past thread "ATA And 767's" for more info!!
Ndege From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 204 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
I dont think noise restrictions will keep a 767 out of MDW since Northwest flies its noisy DC-9s there plus ATA and NW with their 727s there.
TZ does not operate any 727 aircraft, they haven't for a year now.
But yeah, the runway is only 5-6000 ft long and if it did get off the ground, I could see a couple roofs knocked off of houses.
It'd probably be an improvement
Anyway, all this talk about "can't fit a 767 into MDW" is all fine and nice, but remember that TZ services more than just MDW. There are the LAX and SFO to OGG/HNL routes, LAX to CUN, IND to LAS, IND to MCO, IND to *insert florida city during spring break* and a lot of other operations a larger plane would work nicely on. I've heard TZ are looking to expand service out of IND, and I can see this as a definite happening once the new terminal opens at IND in 2007.
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3444 times:
I think a 767 in ATA colors would be awsome. But again as stated these are all plane rumours. I asked a couple of ATA pilots that live in GRR and jumpseat to MDW and they didn't even know anything about PIT being added to the list of new destinations.
As for EMB's for C8 they would be in addition to the SAAB's. We will run the SAAB's on the shorter or less popular routes. The SAAB's would be for the launger halls, GRR - IND and MKE - IND. They would also be used to start to pickaway at Southwest's destinations where it is not economically sound to fly a 737 out of.
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3378 times:
I agree with Ndege on this one. If there is no military charters and or commercial charters then why by the aircraft? All then they will do is sit on the ground and not make money. I would bet you could/would see them on some long haul commercial routes. LAX - HNL, OGG, LIT during high peak travel times to the Hawaiian islands
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4308 posts, RR: 23 Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3362 times:
The routing of the new ERJ-145s would be interesting to guess, if they happen. First and foremost would be...where will they do Mx? SBN still? Okay...there is one city. The top 5 largest cities would be next...FNT, TOL, GRR, MKE, and DAY. IND will also see it for intrahub traffic. We'll then probably see several others added in - OKC, MEM, ROC or SYR, ALB, and maybe even YYZ. Lord willing, they will then take some of the displaced Saabs and begin more p2p flying out of IND...FNT, TOL, DAY, etc. Why? Offer additional connection opportunities and reroute options when MDW is hosed. Nothing more than a flight or two a day - however, it is only going to take one or two full fare passengers to make it profitable.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3285 times:
How about do even think wanting orders on B764 aircraft for TZ. I really wanted to see new airplanes for that. Yes, It will be replaced from older L1011s aircraft to B764 aircraft soon. Looking forward see new color for ATA.
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3226 times:
I do agree that the C8 spoke cities do need some routes to IND. When MDW is shut down, be it weather, all the C8 cities get shaffted and have to reroute the pax on other airlines and cost the company a ton of money, with flights to IND we would eliminate that problem. There has been talk for the longest time about giving the larger C8 cities flights to IND. The top 5 are all the ones that Ouboy79 said and help feed the IND system. There also has been some talk on sending a few SAAB's down to PIE and feed that operation from ATL, MSY, JAX and so forth....it would be interesting to see how it plays out
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25 Mikephotos: Yes it does ATA B767-300Click to enlarge photo Michael
26 WMUPilot: Nice rendition for the paint job....i really do like..now just do an EMB145 in C8 colors and we are all set.
27 Mikephotos: Ok, should have spent more time on the titles (they're horrible) but you get the picture ATA Chicago ExpressERJ-145click to enlarge photo Michael
28 WMUPilot: I think i really like...can't wait to see it for real
29 Flyinryan99: I'm not so keen on the IND idea...yeah it would be nice to find another airport to rely on when weather in MDW takes a crap. I just found out that C8'