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767 And EMB-145 For ATA?  
User currently offlineTIMBERWOLF24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Rumors are strong that ATA has ordered 5 767s plus 2 options. First A/C to arrive on base May 17. These A/C are to replace the L1011. It is also rumored that a contract will be finalized by the end of June for 9 EMB-145 for Chicago Express. Is this just a new twist on an old rumor or is there something to it this time?


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

RJs for C8...that would be lovely - but just so they don't retire the Saabs, they are currently running a schedule for 2-3 more planes than they have.

User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Which model do you think ATA will order? That would be sweet if they ordered the 764.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Whichever one they can pack the most people into.  Smile

User currently offlineTIMBERWOLF24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

According to the rumors the 767s are some that VARIG has returned, so I would assume 767-300s


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

I wouldn't be surprised on the returned 767s, since they can pick those up pretty cheaply. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see ATA operating 764s in the future. They would be able to pack up to 375 in there, they have the range, and there is commanality with their new 753s.

Jeff


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

Where would they fly these 764s with 375 people? I can't imagine 375 pax plus bags would fly very far on a 764.

N


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

ATA needs an aircraft that can do 5000nm with full payload under all conditions. The 764 will have problems here, even though Boeing lists the range as 5614nm.

As far as I know, the 764 has never been an option. There are also few produced and awaiting new aircraft from the factory will take too long. The Varig rumor sounds likely - also some of the nine AA are to take this year that they neither want, nor can afford. Boeing have refused to defer delivery of these planes, as it would shut down the production line that right now is at its slowest possible pace ..




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User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

I didn't think MDW could handle 767 operations; that the 757-300 was the largest plane that was in use at MDW.

User currently offlineB764 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

I remember seeing a photo in airways magazine of a ATA L-1011 @ MDW. maybe it was empty, etc. Could a 767 use MDW?


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

A 767 could operate from MDW but it would be severly weight restricted. For example, I'm sure it would be lucky if they could fly MDW-LAX on a fully loaded 762.


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User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4280 times:
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Again I am saying this. No a 767 can't be able to go to MDW. This has been talked about a lot and they can't cause of the runways, the houses and the noise restrictions(and some other things). The largest they can handle in a Boeing would be a 757-300. They may use this plane for IND-LAS and other routes except MDW.


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User currently offlineALSF 2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 89 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4263 times:

CcrIR is right.... No 767 for MDW!!!

This aircraft would ONLY be a replacement for the L1011's and not consist of new 767-400's. More than likely the 300 model as discussed above. Also, no ATA L1011 has ever landing at MDW, ORD yes...MDW no. If you recall ATA did ORD to Hawaii for a while, but in the last few years the L1011's were only used for Charter work. Much like these 767's would be used for.

Cheers!

P.s. Check out the past thread "ATA And 767's" for more info!!


User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4238 times:
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Check the past posts about 767's and MDW.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

I dont think noise restrictions will keep a 767 out of MDW since Northwest flies its noisy DC-9s there plus ATA and NW with their 727s there.

But yeah, the runway is only 5-6000 ft long and if it did get off the ground, I could see a couple roofs knocked off of houses.

As for 767s replacing L1011s, they are rumors until we get an official release by ATA or a credible source

I know everyone wants the 764 to fly in ATA colors including me, but again these are rumors.


User currently offlineNdege From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

I dont think noise restrictions will keep a 767 out of MDW since Northwest flies its noisy DC-9s there plus ATA and NW with their 727s there.

TZ does not operate any 727 aircraft, they haven't for a year now.

But yeah, the runway is only 5-6000 ft long and if it did get off the ground, I could see a couple roofs knocked off of houses.

It'd probably be an improvement  Smile

Anyway, all this talk about "can't fit a 767 into MDW" is all fine and nice, but remember that TZ services more than just MDW. There are the LAX and SFO to OGG/HNL routes, LAX to CUN, IND to LAS, IND to MCO, IND to *insert florida city during spring break* and a lot of other operations a larger plane would work nicely on. I've heard TZ are looking to expand service out of IND, and I can see this as a definite happening once the new terminal opens at IND in 2007.

BL


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Just to make it perfectly clear... If ATA aqquires 767, they will be for charter work - primarily military. They will not be used for scheduled services.




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User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

I think a 767 in ATA colors would be awsome. But again as stated these are all plane rumours. I asked a couple of ATA pilots that live in GRR and jumpseat to MDW and they didn't even know anything about PIT being added to the list of new destinations.

As for EMB's for C8 they would be in addition to the SAAB's. We will run the SAAB's on the shorter or less popular routes. The SAAB's would be for the launger halls, GRR - IND and MKE - IND. They would also be used to start to pickaway at Southwest's destinations where it is not economically sound to fly a 737 out of.

Again these still are rumors.



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

If they got 767s, they would be used for football charters and for the bowl games around New Years

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

As far as I know, Varig wants to keep the 6 767-3s, probably the airline will return all B762s, so it could be possible for ATA to get 762s just in case they take RG's...

ghost77  Smile




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User currently offlineNdege From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Just to make it perfectly clear... If ATA aqquires 767, they will be for charter work - primarily military. They will not be used for scheduled services.

Not completely accurate. L1011 still sees mainline service based on demand and availability, I've seen it as recently as within the last two weeks. You are correct in saying "primarily" though.

BL


User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

I agree with Ndege on this one. If there is no military charters and or commercial charters then why by the aircraft? All then they will do is sit on the ground and not make money. I would bet you could/would see them on some long haul commercial routes. LAX - HNL, OGG, LIT during high peak travel times to the Hawaiian islands


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

The routing of the new ERJ-145s would be interesting to guess, if they happen. First and foremost would be...where will they do Mx? SBN still? Okay...there is one city. The top 5 largest cities would be next...FNT, TOL, GRR, MKE, and DAY. IND will also see it for intrahub traffic. We'll then probably see several others added in - OKC, MEM, ROC or SYR, ALB, and maybe even YYZ. Lord willing, they will then take some of the displaced Saabs and begin more p2p flying out of IND...FNT, TOL, DAY, etc. Why? Offer additional connection opportunities and reroute options when MDW is hosed. Nothing more than a flight or two a day - however, it is only going to take one or two full fare passengers to make it profitable.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

How about do even think wanting orders on B764 aircraft for TZ. I really wanted to see new airplanes for that. Yes, It will be replaced from older L1011s aircraft to B764 aircraft soon. Looking forward see new color for ATA.  Smile

Regards!

Scott W.


User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

I do agree that the C8 spoke cities do need some routes to IND. When MDW is shut down, be it weather, all the C8 cities get shaffted and have to reroute the pax on other airlines and cost the company a ton of money, with flights to IND we would eliminate that problem. There has been talk for the longest time about giving the larger C8 cities flights to IND. The top 5 are all the ones that Ouboy79 said and help feed the IND system. There also has been some talk on sending a few SAAB's down to PIE and feed that operation from ATL, MSY, JAX and so forth....it would be interesting to see how it plays out


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25 Post contains links and images Mikephotos : Yes it does ATA B767-300Click to enlarge photo Michael
26 WMUPilot : Nice rendition for the paint job....i really do like..now just do an EMB145 in C8 colors and we are all set.
27 Post contains links and images Mikephotos : Ok, should have spent more time on the titles (they're horrible) but you get the picture ATA Chicago ExpressERJ-145click to enlarge photo Michael
28 WMUPilot : I think i really like...can't wait to see it for real
29 Flyinryan99 : I'm not so keen on the IND idea...yeah it would be nice to find another airport to rely on when weather in MDW takes a crap. I just found out that C8'
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