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Air India Board To Announce Order On April 9  
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

Air India's board will announce an order for 10 long-range widebody aircraft plus 7 options when it meets on Wednesday, April 9. The board today gave the go-ahead to consider the financial bids after reviewing the reccommendations of the Technical Committee who have studied the technical bid. The Technical Committee is rumored to have endorsed the Boeing 777-200ER over the rival product A340-300 offered by Airbus Industrie.

Once the Air India board has approved the order, it then proceeds to the Civil Aviation ministry for clearance. The ministry is expected to approve the order once it obtains the go-ahead from the Ministry of Disinvestment and the Cabinet Security Committee.

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Is the Air-India BOD effectively independent from the govt? Any chance of govt interference in the decision?

Could the Civil Aviation ministry overrule a decision and impose an Airbus order for instance?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

The Board of Directors are all appointed by the Civil Aviation ministry.

The entire process is political.

The Civil Aviation ministry can overrule a decision and impose an order of their choice, but that is highly unlikely in this case as Indian Airlines has already committed to buying Airbus.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

What's your opinion.....do you think the BOD will opt for Boeing?


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

I think AI should choose the A340-300. Especially given that AI already has lots of experience flying Airbus planes.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Yes. I'm virtually certain that the endorsement will be for the Boeing 777-200ER. The only impediment will be if the Cabinet Security Committee refuses to allow the order to an American company in view of the current action in Iraq (which is a distinct possibility). Nonetheless, the announcement of the 777 selection will be made on Wednesday in all likelihood.

User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

B747-437B - Is there any reason why AI never considered the newer 777's or A340's?

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I think the 772ER is best for AI! I can't wait to see the AI livery on the 777!


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12480 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

Rumour has it that TG is making an order for A340-5/600s the same day, so there should be good news all around.

Of course, plenty for the Indian civil service to make mischief about . . .


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6577 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6246 times:

Thanks for the update Sean! Eagerly waiing for the announcement. If they do get the 777, maybe we could fly on an Air-India 777 together someday, Sean ?

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

but wait... is it over yet: we still have engine choice for AI to mull over!  Laugh out loud


Of course, if they have any sense, they'd choose the GE90-94B.... though I get the feeling that the British company will also throw in a heavy bid for the lackluster Trent895 as well


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

I'll believe it when I see an AI Boeing 777.

Until then I am sure that the various Committees of men in dhotis overseeing the committee of men in safari suits overseeing the committee of men who don't use deodorant will continue to make mischief.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

The board meeting has been postponed to Saturday April 12.

There is a press conference called for that evening to announce the selection, so I guess we are finally entering the home stretch.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

Of course, if they have any sense, they'd choose the GE90-94B.... though I get the feeling that the British company will also throw in a heavy bid for the lackluster Trent895 as well

Perhaps you could back up your ridiculous opinions for the benefit of those of us that are puzzled as to why you think the GE90-94B, weighing nearly 35% more than the "lackluster" Trent, holding a dispatch reliability record not even close to the Trent, is the only decent choice for the 777.

Your GE90 fetish is well documented on FlyerTalk, so maybe you could explain it, once and for all.

Cheers



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6577 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months ago) and read 5997 times:

Thanks for the update! Still hoping for the 777 regardless of engine but I guess things could change. Looking forward to an official announcement.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months ago) and read 5984 times:

Perhaps you could back up your ridiculous opinions for the benefit of those of us that are puzzled as to why you think the GE90-94B, weighing nearly 35% more than the "lackluster" Trent, holding a dispatch reliability record not even close to the Trent, is the only decent choice for the 777.

Well, if you read more carefully... you'd notice I said "lackluster Trent895", which (to dumb it down for some of the more "simple" types  Insane) indicates that I was referring specifically to that particular engine variant; whose utter lack of both competitve sales to the GE90-94B and commonality with the powerplant of the exclusively-GE90 powered Longer Range 777s has a high chance of making it less than the optimal choice for new 777 customers.




the GE90-94B *** holding a dispatch reliability record not even close to the Trent

Taking into account the recent Metco58 fiasco, I'd love to see your corroboration for this.....


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

Some leftists and our very own Mahesh Bhatt are writing to the Finance Ministry to boycott American products, including Boeing.

Will this affect the decision?

I certainly think that in light of the events in Iraq, a boycott of American goods and services would be the most appropriate thing to do.

-Roy


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Yes, that's exactly what India should do. Isolating itself economically from the US will do wonders for the Indian GDP and growth rates.

Air India has one of the best liveries ever. I hope they go with the Boeing products.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

Hopefully Air-India will be able to order the aircraft that suits its network, not the whims of the Indian government.

I certainly think that in light of the events in Iraq, a boycott of American goods and services would be the most appropriate thing to do.

Really? Why don't you start by boycotting the internet then? Since it's an American invention.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

The world wide web though is a British invention... (Tim Berners Lee, while working ar CERN)

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Some leftists and our very own Mahesh Bhatt are writing to the Finance Ministry to boycott American products, including Boeing.

Will this affect the decision?

I certainly think that in light of the events in Iraq, a boycott of American goods and services would be the most appropriate thing to do.


Yes, boycott the terrible Americans who are helping free Iraqi citizens from the paradise known as rule under Saddamn Hussein. Lots of brain washed ppl out there it seems...



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5792 times:

Come on people, it's Indianguy/Roy for cryin' out loud.... what would you expect, a sensible opinionated comment?  Laugh out loud


Sadly, however... in light of recent boycotts of Americana in France, Indonesia, and the Philippines; a case could be made for a spite toward Boeing in AI's order. However, I cant imagine they'd be so foolish as to allow such a petty disagreement (if indeed, one truly even exists!) to take precedence over such factors as costs, finance options, ease of integration, potential discounts, etc

[Edited 2003-04-07 04:19:49]

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

"Some leftists and our very own Mahesh Bhatt are writing to the Finance Ministry to boycott American products, including Boeing."

Those very Indian socialists who left India broke, poverty stricken, and endemic with corruption? And Mahesh Bhatt, purveyor of terrible movies? Please. Irrespective of how one feels about this war, a boycott of much needed American hardware is hardly in India's interest. However, given the reasonable foreign policy of the current coalition government viz a viz the US, I doubt they will project a highly unlikely A340 purchase as an American boycott.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

The Airbus A340 contains a signif amount of US technology & components.

A true American boycott would dictate an Ilyushin IL-96 order!




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5702 times:

I'd LOOOOOVE to see an Air India IL96M  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

The Airbus A340 contains a signif amount of US technology & components.

A true American boycott would dictate an Ilyushin IL-96 order!


If I remember right the IL-96 bid for this Air India order was to have P&W engines and Rockwell avionics!


25 Donder10 : Will these be for starting new routes or to replace the 310s? The world wide web though is a British invention... (Tim Berners Lee, while working ar C
26 AI744LR : Well folks, it's the morning of April 11, 2003 in India. Any updates on what happened on the 9th? Waiting to hear more. Thanks.
27 Post contains images Airbus Lover : AI744LR, The board meeting has been postponed to Saturday April 12. -B747-437B Read carefully next time!!!
28 United777 : We could hear the news as soon as tomorrow night here in the US.
29 Ammunition : the 12th has arrived, and its approaching late afternoon/evening in india, has a decision been made? Amo...... still waiting........ for AI's decision
30 B747-437B : Patience children, patience. As soon as we know something for sure I will be among the first to know and the first to post it here.
31 DeltaSFO : Well, if you read more carefully... you'd notice I said "lackluster Trent895", which (to dumb it down for some of the more "simple" types ) indicates
32 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Thanks for your feeble attempt to "dumb it down" for me. Unfortunately, the drivel you managed to scratch out for me did not make much sense Feeble at
33 DeltaSFO : Feeble attempt, or lack of fundamental comprehension? I'm inclined to say the latter... Indeed you are. You can say whatever you like. I don't expect
34 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : au contraire dear DeltaSFO, if you'll notice, I've actually been able to corroborate any claim I've made thus far... as opposed to your wildly specula
35 Post contains images Jet-Lagged : why is this not a surprise . . . . Air-India defers decision to buy new planes "The board has not taken any decision today," Jitender Bhargava told R
36 Dynkrisolo : DeltaSFO: I'd agree with you that ConcordeBoy does appear to have a GE fetish. But I think it's a bit cruel to compare him with TEDSKI. ConcordeBoy at
37 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Well, the stated 10-day delay period has passed.... and still no announcement. Be nice if they could get with it
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