GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12716 posts, RR: 80 Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3171 times:
If AF, as long planned, stay with 2007, expect BA to do the same.
31 years in service, that's fine with us, we'd like longer of course, but we live in the real world.
If however it is much sooner, well me and my colleagues are on the scrapheap, the way things are now.
Ikarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3118 times:
Funny. Couldn't hear what they were saying, but Concorde was all over the TV news an hour ago (including reporters in the aviation museum in Duxford).
OK, this is from BBC.co.uk:
Concorde future 'still undecided'
Concorde has been ravaged by safety problems
British Airways has insisted no firm decision has been taken on whether to retire its famous Concorde service.
The statement came on Wednesday after reports the supersonic plane was to be put into retirement "within months".
But a company spokeswoman said it was still considering the aircraft's future, in a process which had reached "an advanced stage".
Air France has made no comment on whether it is close to pulling its Concorde service, after reports it would retire the service by 2007.
There has been no announcement
Concorde has been blighted by a rash of problems.
Three years ago 113 people were killed in the Paris crash.
At the end of last year it also emerged engine failure forced one New York-bound plane to turn back to London and another flight was forced to cut its speed when cracks appeared in a window.
A BA spokeswoman said: "We have already said that we are looking at a retirement date for Concorde and this date is still being considered.
"There has been no announcement."
Currently, BA's Concordes are certified to fly until 2009.
Both Air France and BA Concorde services have been badly affected in recent months by the American economic downturn and the Iraqi conflict.
The plane, born out a joint Anglo-French project, and developed by engineers at Filton, near Bristol, operates daily out of London Heathrow and Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport to North America.
It cruises at around 1350 mph at an altitude of up to 60,000ft (11 miles) meaning a crossing from Europe to New York takes less than three and a half hours.
The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) and the Civil Aviation Authority both say Concorde remains safe to fly.
The Paris crash was blamed on debris on the runway which punctured a tyre.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12716 posts, RR: 80 Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3001 times:
As I said on the other thread, the 'technical' side of the BBC report was rubbish, it says a lot about today's media that even the BBC lapse into ignorant tabloid-speak, all those 'media-studies' graduates infecting everything maybe.
Sources in the suppliers say they've heard nothing about an early retirement, and they would be the first to know.
The AF 2007 date is very old news.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12716 posts, RR: 80 Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2934 times:
Put it this way, I'm more likely to know what's going on than you.
I certainly do not claim to know it all by any means, there is uncertainty, a lot of it, some of BA management's actions and the story hungry media don't help, but that is also true in most of the whole industry right now.
With Concorde the suppliers would definitely be amongst the first to know.
If you want a good idea of what is going on, this site has good sources from all parts of the Concorde operation, airlines, manufactures, suppliers, the lot; http://www.concordesst.com/latestnews.html
Britair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2850 times:
I hate to add to rumours, but we at Waterside have been called for an emergency meeting before work tomorrow (thursday) and no one knows what it's about. However, an announcement about Concorde is the rumour. I really really really really really hope it's not
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12716 posts, RR: 80 Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2831 times:
With Concorde it's different, it is a tiny, specialized fleet, supplier issues are more apparent than with other airliners, in fact there is a world of difference with normal airliners with 100's or 1000's of aircraft, and a huge customer base.
Most of our problems are supplier related.
And if you believe some parts of the media, over those who are involved with the aircraft, not much point in looking at sites like this, get your info from the tabloids instead.
Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2264 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2762 times:
British Airways to Discuss Concorde
Wednesday April 9, 4:39 pm ET
British Airways to Make Announcement on the Future of Concorde Soon
LONDON (AP) -- British Airways said Wednesday it plans to make an announcement soon on the future of Concorde, but declined to comment on a report that it will withdraw its supersonic jets from service later this year.
The British Broadcasting Corp. said the airline would make an announcement Thursday that it is retiring the service, probably by the fall, due to a drop in demand.
"We have made no secret of the fact that we are reviewing the future of Concorde," a BA spokeswoman said Wednesday. "We expect to be able to make an announcement shortly and that is all we are saying."
The airline said in February that it was reviewing the service and expected to make a decision in the months to come.
BA's review of the service includes examining the number of passengers flying Concorde and the price they are willing to pay. British Airways offers seven roundtrip Concorde flights from London to New York a week. The trip takes little more than three hours. But a ticket costs 7,000 pounds (about $11,000.)
Concordes also are coping with some concerns about their safety. A crash in Paris in July 2000 killed 113 people. Later, engine failure forced one New York-bound plane to turn back to London and another had to cut its speed when cracks appeared in a window.
Air France is the only other carrier to fly the aircraft.
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25 747-451: 4Holer; "If there was anything I needed to know about Concorde operations, I would ask the gentleman that you are putting down. Cool your jets, so to
26 4holer: I've indeed read it all. And if you've spent much time in this forum at all, you'd know that he works with the Concorde for BA. Thought it was common
27 747-451: I am sorry if I offended GDB, I didn't know he was involved-if I would have known that I would have said nothing! (PS I flew on the Concorde in 1979 w
28 Ikarus: Hmmmh. Now if only Branson would make a big, genuine offer (not likely though) instead of seeking publicity.... So, given all the stories, it's off to
29 Backfire: With all due respect to GDB's inside position, he wouldn't be the first company employee to find out that he's the last to know about a senior managem
30 AvObserver: I suggest that all forumites who've wanted to fly Concorde but have never done so AND can afford to, make plans to do so soon. All of these assorted r
31 Gordonroxburgh: I will retract this if I am proved wrong tomorrow...but the winter tiemtable is the money maker for BA and Concorde, especially the Barbados route. If
32 Gordonroxburgh: PS. Also meant to say that the BBC's transport Correspondant's email address is: email@example.com I will be first to congratulate him tomorrow
33 BusinessFlyer: The Financial Times today is reporting that BA will on Thursday announce that Concorde will be grounded due to cost concerns. The article also says th
34 Backfire: Much eating of hats and humble pie, perhaps...? From British Airways: London April 10, 2003: British Airways announced today the retirement of its Con
35 Jean Leloup: Well, with everyone's permission, I will archive this thread now so that conversational energies can be focused on the new thread, since this is now n