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User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

WABC News has just announced that brittish Airways will terminate services of the Concorde. They have no further details at the moment, other than it will be halted in the next weeks.

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User currently offlineAMb From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

There was a similar article in the Daily Mail today!

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Umm,have BA made a statement or this is part of the media's generally outstanding coverage of all things Concorde?

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Reuters agency are reporting that BA are about to decide when they will retire Concorde, though they give no indication of when it might be.

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=2534163

Shamrock_747


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

Just checked BA website...NO ANNOUNCEMENT ON RETIRING THE CONCORDE!!! 747-451 where did you here this nonsense or are you just making this up?


The engine is the heart of an airplane, but the pilot is its soul.
User currently offlineA330DAT From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

Air France announces the same AS OF 2007!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Sorry, we;ve already been discussing this today, however under a different topic name:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1063303/


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

hmm, another weekly topic to add to the NW/DC9-retirment theme  Insane

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4892 times:

If AF, as long planned, stay with 2007, expect BA to do the same.
31 years in service, that's fine with us, we'd like longer of course, but we live in the real world.
If however it is much sooner, well me and my colleagues are on the scrapheap, the way things are now.


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4839 times:

Funny. Couldn't hear what they were saying, but Concorde was all over the TV news an hour ago (including reporters in the aviation museum in Duxford).

OK, this is from BBC.co.uk:

Concorde future 'still undecided'


Concorde has been ravaged by safety problems
British Airways has insisted no firm decision has been taken on whether to retire its famous Concorde service.
The statement came on Wednesday after reports the supersonic plane was to be put into retirement "within months".

But a company spokeswoman said it was still considering the aircraft's future, in a process which had reached "an advanced stage".

Air France has made no comment on whether it is close to pulling its Concorde service, after reports it would retire the service by 2007.

There has been no announcement

BA spokeswoman

Concorde has been blighted by a rash of problems.

Three years ago 113 people were killed in the Paris crash.

At the end of last year it also emerged engine failure forced one New York-bound plane to turn back to London and another flight was forced to cut its speed when cracks appeared in a window.

A BA spokeswoman said: "We have already said that we are looking at a retirement date for Concorde and this date is still being considered.

'Anglo-French project'

"There has been no announcement."

Currently, BA's Concordes are certified to fly until 2009.

Both Air France and BA Concorde services have been badly affected in recent months by the American economic downturn and the Iraqi conflict.

The plane, born out a joint Anglo-French project, and developed by engineers at Filton, near Bristol, operates daily out of London Heathrow and Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport to North America.

It cruises at around 1350 mph at an altitude of up to 60,000ft (11 miles) meaning a crossing from Europe to New York takes less than three and a half hours.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) and the Civil Aviation Authority both say Concorde remains safe to fly.

The Paris crash was blamed on debris on the runway which punctured a tyre.


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4781 times:

Just checked BA website...NO ANNOUNCEMENT ON RETIRING THE CONCORDE!!! 747-451 where did you here this nonsense or are you just making this up?

READ MY POST! it was announced on WABC 770AM radio in NYC.

*****
If AF, as long planned, stay with 2007, expect BA to do the same.

That may or may not be true--economics differ between the airlines.

LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.thisistravel.co.uk/travel/standard/article.html?in_page_id=1&in_article_id=32784


Instead of flapping your gums ---read posts since this link was quoted by AMb already.



[Edited 2003-04-09 21:10:34]

[Edited 2003-04-09 21:12:32]

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4722 times:

As I said on the other thread, the 'technical' side of the BBC report was rubbish, it says a lot about today's media that even the BBC lapse into ignorant tabloid-speak, all those 'media-studies' graduates infecting everything maybe.
Sources in the suppliers say they've heard nothing about an early retirement, and they would be the first to know.
The AF 2007 date is very old news.


User currently offlineVr-hkg From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4703 times:

bmacleod said:

>Just checked BA website...NO ANNOUNCEMENT ON RETIRING THE
>CONCORDE!!! 747-451 where did you here this nonsense or are you just
>making this up?

He quite clearly stated where the information came from, and two other forum members gave clear sources of further information almost half an hour before you posted.

You might want to invest in a new set of eyeballs.


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4692 times:

"Sources in the suppliers say they've heard nothing about an early retirement, and they would be the first to know."

What sources  Yeah sure ? and suppliers are not always the first to know...


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4655 times:

Put it this way, I'm more likely to know what's going on than you.
I certainly do not claim to know it all by any means, there is uncertainty, a lot of it, some of BA management's actions and the story hungry media don't help, but that is also true in most of the whole industry right now.
With Concorde the suppliers would definitely be amongst the first to know.
If you want a good idea of what is going on, this site has good sources from all parts of the Concorde operation, airlines, manufactures, suppliers, the lot;
http://www.concordesst.com/latestnews.html


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4613 times:

However, again, suppliers are not allways the first to know, and I saw nothinghere to refute the news reports.

User currently offlineBA Pilot From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2934257.stm

I checked the BBC- seems it's the end.

Long live Air France Concordes- but I can't help but think they will end concorde's futures as well.

RIP to the best airliner of our generation.


User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

I hate to add to rumours, but we at Waterside have been called for an emergency meeting before work tomorrow (thursday) and no one knows what it's about. However, an announcement about Concorde is the rumour. I really really really really really hope it's not  Sad  Sad  Sad

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

B747-451,they will be going to Virgin ,right?

User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

Hey, just read this post......please please please let it be about this:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1064172/ ... the BA/AA codeshare approval!!! Fingers crossed


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

With Concorde it's different, it is a tiny, specialized fleet, supplier issues are more apparent than with other airliners, in fact there is a world of difference with normal airliners with 100's or 1000's of aircraft, and a huge customer base.
Most of our problems are supplier related.
And if you believe some parts of the media, over those who are involved with the aircraft, not much point in looking at sites like this, get your info from the tabloids instead.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2997 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

747-451,

If there was anything I needed to know about Concorde operations, I would ask the gentleman that you are putting down. Cool your jets, so to speak, and ease off on the little sarcasm icon.

BTW, WABC is not the end all be all of news sources. It is a story, not Scripture.



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2997 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

...not that the story might not be correct, just ratchet down the tone a bit.

Consider at least that the man may be out of work soon?



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2277 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

From the Associated Press:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/030409/britain_concorde_1.html


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Associated Press
British Airways to Discuss Concorde
Wednesday April 9, 4:39 pm ET
British Airways to Make Announcement on the Future of Concorde Soon


LONDON (AP) -- British Airways said Wednesday it plans to make an announcement soon on the future of Concorde, but declined to comment on a report that it will withdraw its supersonic jets from service later this year.
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The British Broadcasting Corp. said the airline would make an announcement Thursday that it is retiring the service, probably by the fall, due to a drop in demand.

"We have made no secret of the fact that we are reviewing the future of Concorde," a BA spokeswoman said Wednesday. "We expect to be able to make an announcement shortly and that is all we are saying."

The airline said in February that it was reviewing the service and expected to make a decision in the months to come.

BA's review of the service includes examining the number of passengers flying Concorde and the price they are willing to pay. British Airways offers seven roundtrip Concorde flights from London to New York a week. The trip takes little more than three hours. But a ticket costs 7,000 pounds (about $11,000.)

Concordes also are coping with some concerns about their safety. A crash in Paris in July 2000 killed 113 people. Later, engine failure forced one New York-bound plane to turn back to London and another had to cut its speed when cracks appeared in a window.

Air France is the only other carrier to fly the aircraft.





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25 747-451 : 4Holer; "If there was anything I needed to know about Concorde operations, I would ask the gentleman that you are putting down. Cool your jets, so to
26 4holer : I've indeed read it all. And if you've spent much time in this forum at all, you'd know that he works with the Concorde for BA. Thought it was common
27 747-451 : I am sorry if I offended GDB, I didn't know he was involved-if I would have known that I would have said nothing! (PS I flew on the Concorde in 1979 w
28 Ikarus : Hmmmh. Now if only Branson would make a big, genuine offer (not likely though) instead of seeking publicity.... So, given all the stories, it's off to
29 Backfire : With all due respect to GDB's inside position, he wouldn't be the first company employee to find out that he's the last to know about a senior managem
30 AvObserver : I suggest that all forumites who've wanted to fly Concorde but have never done so AND can afford to, make plans to do so soon. All of these assorted r
31 Gordonroxburgh : I will retract this if I am proved wrong tomorrow...but the winter tiemtable is the money maker for BA and Concorde, especially the Barbados route. If
32 Gordonroxburgh : PS. Also meant to say that the BBC's transport Correspondant's email address is: simon.montague@bbc.co.uk I will be first to congratulate him tomorrow
33 Post contains links BusinessFlyer : The Financial Times today is reporting that BA will on Thursday announce that Concorde will be grounded due to cost concerns. The article also says th
34 Backfire : Much eating of hats and humble pie, perhaps...? From British Airways: London April 10, 2003: British Airways announced today the retirement of its Con
35 Post contains images Jean Leloup : Well, with everyone's permission, I will archive this thread now so that conversational energies can be focused on the new thread, since this is now n
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