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Concorde Grounded From Oct - Official  
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

British Airways announced today the retirement of its
Concorde fleet of seven aircraft with effect from the end of October 2003.

The airline said that its decision had been made for commercial reasons with
passenger revenue falling steadily against a backdrop of rising maintenance
costs for the aircraft.

Detailed discussions over an extended period with Airbus, the aircraft's
manufacturer, confirmed the need for an enhanced maintenance programme in the
coming years, the carrier added.

British Airways has decided that such an investment cannot be justified in the
face of falling revenue caused by a global downturn in demand for all forms of
premium travel in the airline industry.

The downturn has had a negative impact on Concorde bookings and is set to
continue for the foreseeable future, according to the airline.

Rod Eddington, British Airways' chief executive, said: 'Concorde has served us
well and we are extremely proud to have flown this marvellous and unique
aircraft for the past 27 years.

'This is the end of a fantastic era in world aviation but bringing forward
Concorde's retirement is a prudent business decision at a time when we are
having to make difficult decisions right across the airline.'

Noel Forgeard, president and chief executive officer of Airbus, said: 'Airbus'
predecessors Aerospatiale and British Aircraft Corporation created Concorde some
40 years ago and we are proud of this remarkable achievement.

'But its maintenance regime is increasing fast with age. Thus, as an aircraft
manufacturer, we understand completely and respect the decision of British
Airways, especially in the present economic climate.

'It goes without saying that until the completion of the very last flight, we
will continue to support the airline so that the highest standards of
maintenance and safety are entirely fulfilled.'

Mr Eddington added that today's announcement is not a direct result of war in
Iraq.

He said: 'While the threat of war and resulting military conflict have had a
further impact on premium travel demand, the decision to retire Concorde has
been based on a long-term revenue and cost trend rather than recent events.

'I would like to place publicly on record my sincere thanks and appreciation to
all our staff, past and present, who have made the Concorde story one of the
most compelling in the history of commercial flight.

'Our pride in the aircraft will never wane and I am determined that we make its
final six months in the sky a time for celebration.'

Retiring Concorde will result in £84m write-off costs for the year ended March
2003.

The airline is already planning to make its Concordes available for the public
to view in museums.

To honour the past 30 years of supersonic travel, British Airways will announce
shortly a programme of special events and promotions for air travellers.

For the next few months, British Airways will continue to operate its Concorde
services between London Heathrow and New York JFK and seasonal services to
Barbados.

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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Sigh.
Well, at least now the speculation will be over. Is AF soon to follow suit?
My condolences to all the fine A.net members who work with, and dream of, this amazing plane. I am sad now that I will never get to see her fly, but I am sadder for our friends here who depend on this plane for their careers!

Could you please post what your source is for this article, Backfire?



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineVr-hkg From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

BBC just stated that both BA and AF have announced that they will be ceasing Concorde operations from the same date.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

So AF has moved their date forward some 4 years? I wonder how huge the demand is going to be for a ticket on the final flight  Smile

I'm wondering if there's going to be a seat left flying into LHR on the retirement day - every spotter there is will probably try to grab the chance to go and see it landing for one last time  Crying  Crying  Crying  Crying  Crying

[Edited 2003-04-10 08:39:58]

User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

I'am short of 23.000 FF miles on the 160.000 required in order to get a free ticket on AF, saving since....1997, gosh I hope I will get them before the last flight.


Falcon....like a limo but with wings
User currently offlineViscount From Gibraltar, joined Dec 1999, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

This is one of the saddest days in commercial aviation history. Let's hope that Mr Branson comes in to save the day and is allowed to purchase some of these majestic birds so that we may at least see them flying until the end of their useful service lives.

User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

It is indeed a sad day. In my humble opinion, as much as I respect Branson and his enterprising spirit, I think all Concordes should be retired with the dignity and distinction they deserve. I hardly think that BA or AF would even consider letting anyone else use Concorde. Not now. And I pray that it will never happen.

User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

I am saddened by the fact that concorde is to retire from service, but look on the brighter side, its been through oil crisis, war, a crash, 911, not many aircraft have lasted as long as this one did, and hopefully like the vulcan, there will be dedicated people who want to buy and fly the plane for public performances, or for NASA to use concorde as a test-bed like the TU-144 possibly??
Lets face facts, we knew concorde would retire soon, because of air fares, and bad events but lets look forward to the future, the new A380 is out soon, and we might have a long and distingushed career with that lovely aircraft.
I am saddened by concordes demise, but out of bad comes good, and even if she never flies again, we still have the plane on flight sim to fly  Smile


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Can't see Branson picking them up. Even if there was interest from the likes of Virgin, I can't see BA letting a competitor get hold of them. Eddington said on the radio this morning that he expects that they'll all go to museums - museum directors, put your requests in now if you haven't already!

Andy


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Is it too late to start up a museum? Because I sure wouldn't mind getting a Concorde of my own - even if it was only on static display!

Can already imagine me sitting in the left seat and touching all sorts of knobs and dials while making noises to simulate the engine sounds Big grin


User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Now its time for me to start sucking up to my father so that I can fly on her before she is layed to rest.



User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

oh my god i realised maybe we at EGCC could get concorde, i hope we do, Concorde was a regular visitor at EGCC, and i hope we get one of the marvellous aircraft to put up on the new Static display area thats being proposed near to the viewing area, thatd be great if it does...

User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

This is very sad news. It almost flew in service for 30 years.  Sad I'll have to say good job to BA and AF for keeping the Concorde in service for long. Something tells me though they will be back though.

I wonder what they will do with the concordes. It will be a sad sight to see them just being in a desert somewhere. I hope one of them ends up here at the museum of flight in Seattle.

The superstar's who fly them sure are going to miss the three flights across the pond.


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

I wonder what they will do with the concordes. It will be a sad sight to see them just being in a desert somewhere. I hope one of them ends up here at the museum of flight in Seattle

Already been said, above - Eddington at least has said they'll end up in museums. I believe that the Museum of Flight in Seattle has already been promised a Concorde, which would be excellent - a smack in the eye for Boeing who dismally failed to get their SST off the ground!

Andy


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4195 times:


Sad to see that the Concorde is being withdrawn. But with the recent incidents and the crash near Paris it's understandable. Also, the Concorde wasn't exaclty an environmentally responsible design. They're sure to remain an _awesome_ sight in aviation museums for decades to come.

Supersonic commercial flight will probably have to wait for a new fuel - probably hydrogen - before we'll see it again. I hope that happens in my lifetime, and since I'm still in my twenties I think there's a fair chance of that happening.



User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

It's too bad it couldn't be retired with a perfect safety record. So close...


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Swedish newspapers are reporting that AF will stop flying Concorde on the 31 of May.

Staffan


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

AF is to stop flying supersonic on 31 May. I suspect there may be a rash of subsonic charter flights before the phase-out in October.

User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5578 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
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Gary Watt


User currently offlineGordonroxburgh From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 550 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4005 times:

Backfire

What AF will do is stop flying JFK schedule servcie at the end of May.

What they will do if from May till October they will fly supersonic chater flights. Nobody wants to pay to go on a subsonic Concorde flight! (apart from a small number of positioning flights that people can pay a small amount to say they ahd flown on Concorde)

Hopefully BA will also have some spare a/c capcity to organise a UK tour.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4000 times:

Gary,
if that last shot was submitted today, I think it would give the screener a heart attack  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3989 times:

I'll take your word for it Gordon - I've not checked, but the AF statement I have simply said that it was "stopping supersonic services" from the end of May. Sounds like French non-clarification.

User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5578 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3962 times:
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Hi CPH-R

True, I will need to re-scan and re-upload  Smile

Cheers

Gary Watt


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3939 times:

This is horrifying news...for years I have dreamed of flying on Concorde...now, the dream is gone...

Greg



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User currently offlineWhisperingiant From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3919 times:

I've just sent the post below to "Have Your Say" on BBCi (Concorde's retirement is one of today's topics) but as they NEVER actually publish any comments I send them, I'll pop it on a.net too, as my personal tribute to Concorde!

" In 1977, the first full year of revenue service for Concorde, the type was still a regular visitor to the Oxfordshire skies on calibration and training runs. I will always rememember the day we heard a rumble overhead from our school playground and everyone shouted at once "It's CONCORDE!"

To think that we were only five years old and could identify it! The pride and excitement it generated (that was also the Queen's Silver Jubilee year of course!) was incredible.

As an enthusiast of British civil aircraft, I am just so saddened to know that now, I will never have the opportunity to fly on the king of them all. "

I'd like to add though:
- my dad's late uncle was an engineer on the original Concorde build programme, of which I am most proud (and so's Dad);
- people who have flown on Concorde have been kind to me: I have a complete Air France inflight pack (very expensively presented in a fabric briefcase) and a set of BA inflight materials such as menus and things from immediately after the Landor rebranding. I treasure them;
- I attended the last ever Brize Norton Airshow and was astounded at how beautifully Concorde handled at low speed and altitude; I treasure the memory.

Bye bye, beautiful British bird.

--x-x-wg-x-x--



"So quiet, you can hear the fizz in your drink..."
25 Post contains images Rick767 : There was me planning to organise a Christmas shopping trip to New York this year for my partner and I on Concorde as a surprise... Unfortunately we o
26 Post contains images Klaus : This is extremely sad news. Even though I understand the economical and environmental reasons, it will still be a profound loss for civil aviation. My
27 Post contains images RayChuang : Now that Concorde will be retired, what will both AF and BA do to cater to premium passengers? Here's my guess: expect AF to offer upgraded A340-300's
28 Post contains images Racko : Oh no I always dreamed of flying with the concorde, but it seems that I'll get the opportunity to catch a flight. But we'll always remember she as the
29 BestWestern : I would like to see an increased frequency - all 777 operation on LHR - JFK, giving improved schedules and increased capacity in F and C class, but ma
30 Post contains images EGGD : It was my dream to fly on Concorde too, properly.. Now I can't forfill that, I feel kinda empty you know... Not on one of those 1 hour flights either,
31 Planespotterx : makes u wonder though, in the new edition of AIRLINER WORLD it has an article on Concorde, and what people think of the plane, even a bit on Mr Bannis
32 Backfire : i know its lost revenue, but its cheaper than carrying on and flying the plane But it's not cheaper than grounding it... BA isn't a charity. It's a bu
33 Post contains links and images 747-451 : "....will both AF and BA do to cater to premium passengers..." In this economy (or lack of one!) will there be any "premium passengers" left? Though t
34 Stretch 8 : Farewell beautiful Speedbird! I thought they would keep her flying until 2007 or so. Let's also offer our support the fellow A.net member GDB, who wor
35 Post contains links and images Arsenal@LHR : Was one of my ambitions to fly on the greatest aircraft ever built one day, it won't happen. View Large View MediumPhoto © Alan Moss
36 Go Canada! : Lord Marshall would rather walk over hot coals with his tongue cut out than sell concordes to virgin. im very sad that concorde is retiring because it
37 EGGD : I think the idea is, it would be better for BA to sell the remaining seats at a loss while it is still in service, just to fill the plane up and let p
38 Bmi330 : I am very sad I have always wanted to fly on her. BA Are doing concord 1 way for from ??1999 and back on a normal airplane. If anyone wants to give me
39 Post contains images MD-90 : I am so sad. Flying on the Concorde was one of the first things that I planned to do after I got out of college and had a real job. At least I got to
40 F.pier : I think this is one of the saddest day for the civil aviation. The end of an era. I know that sooner or later, this moment had to come, but now I wasn
41 Post contains images Leezyjet : THIS IS A CRIME !!!!! We have come a long way since 1969 don't you think. We can't even get a man to the moon anymore (not that we ever did ) and don'
42 Post contains images AvroArrow : Too bad that it wouldn't be economically feasible to do a farewell tour similar to the Travolta/Qantas goodwill tour. I'd hate to think that a legend
43 Post contains images Leezyjet : Just heard this - thought I'd alter it for this occasion... She shall not grow old.... As we that are left grow old..... Age shall not weary her.... N
44 Backfire : She shall not grow old...as we that are left grow old Er. Yes she will. She's a sixties veteran and already older than some of its paying passengers.
45 Rj777 : And age to age and heart to heart Bound by grace and peace Child of Wonder, Child of God I'll remember you Remember Me...
46 Silverfox : As i write she has just gone over my house 19.06 (BST)
47 Post contains links Rob2507 : Entrepreneur Richard Branson's rival airline Virgin Atlantic Airways jumped quickly to exploit the decision, saying it may try to buy BA's Concordes f
48 Planespotterx : if any other airline bought concorde id be delighted, i mean virgin would make a massive reputation if it did, think about it, when was the last time
49 Post contains images Leezyjet : Oh I forgot to add that Rob, I was too busy wiping tears from my eyes Heard that at work today, that he had offered to buy them. I wouldn't be surpris
50 Planespotterx : by the way i was wondering wether anyone had any concorde memorabilia they dont want anymore, anything really, im willing to pay quite a bit for anyon
51 Gocaps16 : yea, from swa.com Southwest Airlines to buy 2 of British Airways concordes for transcontinental service from Baltimore. Kevin
52 Post contains images Matt777 : I always wanted to fly the Concorde, but it seems I'll never will...
53 Post contains images Leezyjet : I think the press have a lot to answer for in this. They have done nothing but give bad press to Concorde since the Paris accident. Every little misha
54 Post contains links and images Arsenal@LHR : For all the Concorde fans out there i highly recomend this video. I have already bought a copy just to keep as a memory. https://shop.keymags.co.uk/ i
55 Backfire : I can understand your point Leezyjet, and I agree that the tabloids don't really have a clue. But to be fair, there's around 430 Boeing 777s in servic
56 L.1011 : BA and AF are so incredibly stupid! I would expect something like this from AF, but BA!! To think I respected them!! I say BOYCOTT BA and AF!! Fly VS
57 Post contains images L.1011 : Just kidding about the surrender part. He He
58 Gordonroxburgh : If southwest or any other airline wanted to buy a Concordes if they thought they needed 2 a/c to carry out their routes, then to make it work they wou
59 Post contains images Leezyjet : It could on the other hand be a marketing ploy to get people flying again. (Thats what I hope) then when the revenues improove they will decide to kee
60 KL808 : I have little words to say, other than the fact that IM very sad that it had to come to this. But ofcourse we all knew it was coming sooner or later.
61 XXXX10 : Deeply saddened by the news although I was lucky enough to fly in her, a trip I will never forget. I wonder if BA or AF considered moth-balling the ai
62 Post contains links and images BA : This is indeed a very sad day. I've always wanted to fly on the Concorde since I was a toddler. My dad got me a small Air France Concorde model and I
63 Standby87 : Sad news. We knew it was going to happen one day (a bit like Granny dying to be honest), but when it's finally announced you still can't believe it. A
64 Post contains links AvObserver : Here's a link to the Aviation Week story... http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aviationdaily_story.jsp?id=news/concorde04103.xml Also regar
65 Trintocan : A very sad day indeed as the Concorde, by far the greatest airliner icon in history, prepares to fade away into history. All things being equal, it wa
66 Monarch : is there a need for BA to ground all Concordes, How about them just keeping one in service? Oh, and instead of the great people who work on these airc
67 Standby87 : Monarch, fair point, but you can't just keep a single aircraft running. You need a specialised Engineering department, flight deck and cabin crews who
68 Backfire : It should be Rod Eddington - he should resign out of disgrace Blimey, talk about hysterical. Perhaps he prefers to avoid being sacked by his own share
69 Monarch : No, its not a case about being hysterical, its a case about these poor people, who have already seen friends and colleagues suffer through losing thei
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