Holgate From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 38 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2666 times:
Has anyone got any info regarding ryanair expanding at Teesside.
On local radio station saying they are looking at routes to germany,italy,sweeden and ireland.If this happens it would be great news for the area.Do you think they will start a base here in direct competition to easyjet who have just started operating a base at newcastle?
This comes on the back of a £20 million pound investment announced last week for teesside.
BestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6784 posts, RR: 57 Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
why are BMI baby following easyjet around like a bad smell... first they copied them at EMA, then at CWL (close to BRS), then at MAN (close to LPL), now at MME (close to NCL).... They should try doing something original as they will never survive by only competing...
Holgate From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2605 times:
BMI aswell as Ryanair!,things certainley looking up here at sunny Teesside!
"Top Brass" ryanair member quoted as saying Frankfurt,Milan,Shannon and Stockholm on Monday.
Nothing on there website about teesside expanding,will just have to keep our fingers crossed!
Holgate From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
Fantastic news for Teesside airport and the region as a whole!
Made the front page of the local newspaper.
Quote "The announcement from bmibaby follows the sealing of the airport partnership with Peel Airports and talk of more services from Ryanair".
How is bmibaby doing regarding loads on its routes?
bmi flies 3xdaily MME-LHR and seems to be doing ok.
What about Easyjet from Newcastle,how are they doing?
Good news all round for the industry up here in the north-east of england.
BestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6784 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
It isnt good news... There is too much capacity in many of these markets. Within 12 months we have seen significant expansion of low cost carriers in the north of England, with new based operations in Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and now Teesside... Dont forget the services to Blackpool Every north of England airport now has a low cost presence... Five of them have based operations...
Ryanair and EasyJet know what they are up to... Jet2 and BMI baby are just copying the others.... and wont survive... they need to find their own niche, just like what FlyBE have done at Southampton, a very wealthy catchment area with great transport connections - more than what can be said for when looking at Teesside.
GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24757 posts, RR: 57 Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
easyJet made an announcement a few months ago that the NCL base was one of the best base openings they've had. Within 4 weeks of the tickets for NCL going on sale, they had sold over 40,000 seats and are now have over 100,000 seats sold. They expect to carry more than 750,000 people through Newcastle in its first year, which will take pax figures at Newcastle to over 4 million a year.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
BestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6784 posts, RR: 57 Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2470 times:
How many years did it take Ryanair to open a second based city... (STN)
How many years did it take EasyJet to open a second based city... (ZRH)
How many years did it take Go to open a second based city.... (BRS)
How many years did it take BMIbaby to announce four cities... (EMA, CWL, MAN, MME)
Spot the unfocused, unprofitable, clueless one out!
EGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
Don't quite follow your logic here BestWestern. You suggest bmi baby are "unfocused, unprofitable, clueless" due to them opening a number of bases in quick succession and in the previous post suggest that "...BMI baby are just copying the others.... and wont survive... they need to find their own niche, just like what FlyBE have done at Southampton"
Are you sure about this? FlyBE are arguably the country's most strategically clueless airline by a long chalk. In the last couple of years alone they've:
- tried and failed to make LCY work as a hub
- they jumped into a number of Brussels routes after Sabena folded, of which just the BHX service remains
- they bought 4 x CRJs to operate short-haul feeders for Air France on a franchise basis and then realised the a/c was uneconomical on short sectors and have being trying to offload them since, without success
- add to that two name changes and you begin to get the picture.
Now a couple of weeks into their latest escapade, using those proven workhorses of the low-cost industry the Dash-8 and the Bae146 to launch a low-cost hub at Southampton, you're championing them as an example that the likes of bmi should be following? Somehow, I don't think so.
Ok so bmi baby and Jet2 are blatantly copying the Easyjet model. So what? That's what happens in business. Someone has a good business idea, makes some money, others jump on the bandwagon. In fact Easyjet and Ryanair are themselves copies of the successful Southwest model in the US.
One might argue that bmi are looking around the country and realising that there are not that many airports remaining where they can get a good deal. Lets be honest, they won't be paying Teesside a penny to operate from there - maybe that wouldn't be the case in a couple of years time. Getting into airports like CWL and MME now, which have relatively tight local catchment areas, that are currently underserved and where you can screw the airport owner over a barrel, is a strategy for growth. You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
APP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 546 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2412 times:
Welcome to Airliners.net. It's always good to see new Teessiders on the site.......Enjoy yourself!
I see from your profile you're a Transport Analyst. Well, I'm not and I don't really know what your job entails, for which I apologise. But I would have thought that we had pretty good Transport connections,
Road-wise we have the A1 about 6 miles to the west of MME and the A19 about 10 miles to the east. Using these roads you can pick up the trans-pennine M62 and A69. Also crossing the Pennines is the A66 which passes MME by about 1 mile.
Darlington Railway Station is around 5 miles from MME and is on the Edinburgh-Kings Cross route with all the usual Stops. You know, Newcastle, Durham, Doncaster, York, etc. etc.
No need in this case to mention that Hartlepool/Teesport is one of the busiest Port Authorities in the country.
Call me Mr. Picky if you will, but as far as Transport connections go, I think these are pretty good, Don't You? Obviously not!!
Now then, about your other point. What makes you think that these connections, don't serve a wealthy catchment area?
We don't all wear flat caps, smoke woodbines, and pander to the needs of our Pigeons and Whippets - You may have been paying too much attention to biased southern reporting. If you haven't been 'Oop North' for a while, I suggest you give us a go - after all with the Transport links that we have its a doddle!
Sure, we have poor areas, but show me a Town/City that doesn't. Let me assure you, there's plenty of wealth and disposable income in the North East, and I plan to dispose of some of mine with either Easyjet and/or Bmi Baby at some point soon.
I for one wish them both every success at NCL and MME respectively.
HUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1397 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
"flybe are the most strategically clueless airline by a long chalk"
you dont have a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Southampton is doing exceedingly well thankyou, and our Q400 costs less to operate then an A320 or B737!
We NEVER tried to make LCY a hub, it has played an important role in the past few years and we have two very successful links to Jersey and the Isle of Man, both of which are profitable!
We jumped in when Sabena folded, and did OK, not fantastic i know, but we had assurances from both governments that we would have the NCL-BRU route to ourselves, a route which, prior to Sabena's downfall was taking over 100,000 pax pa!
We also bought the CRJs with the assurances from Air france that they would be used on EDI-CDG and GLA-CDG routes for AF, both with a flight time of approx 1.30, more than long enough for the CRJ. the reason we didnt get these routes (GLA operated for a short time) is because the French aviation authorities and Air France dreamt up some stupid rule that a foreign AF franchise carrier MUST operate a different a/c type to french AF franchisees, Brit Air operated the CRJ and so the french company got the preferred route license.
You are SO full of BULLS*$T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I may also add that we stepped in where Buzz failed to keep its promise as far as Bournemouth was concerned, WE came to the rescue of thousands of passengers who would otherwise have been stranded!!!!!!!!
I must also say that NO-ONE in the company had been singing our praises that we are an exemplary company to follow and there has been NO MENTION of bmibaby in ANY way!
You slag flybe. off for having 2 name changes in recent years, yet you praise bmibaby and jet2 for copying Easyjet's example!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We also have to move with the times and the world of air travel in the UK is constantly changing, MAY I ALSO ADD THAT WE ARE OFFICIALLY THE MOST RECOMMENDED AIRLINE IN THE UK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6784 posts, RR: 57 Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2389 times:
APP, relax... I am critical of WW, not MME. WW needs to focus on one region to be successful... otherwise they are over extending themselves - unless they plan to blow a huge marketing budget in promoting a x2 aircraft operation in every airport in the land.
I for one have complained bitterly about FlyBe in the past, but I really think that they have hit on something at Southampton. They have also realized that LCY is not a hugely profitable airport, nor is the CRJ. They are focusing on the Q-400 and hopefully cutting back on 146 operations...
Im also not from the south East, but how can you possibly think that MME has a wealthier catchment area when compared to SOU... perhaps you should give up those woodbines... A walk around the carpark at SOU tells a different story.. and Yep... Ive also been to MME, NCL, LBA, etc...
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
BMIBaby are not making any money, and their load factors are not particularly good for the low cost sector. None the less, steps are being taken by BMI/BMIBaby that I see as being the first on the road to Baby gaining total independance from BMI - getting their own AOC for a start off. I don't see EMA as being a dead-loss for the low cost sector, but rather the problem is the way BMIBaby are going about it at the moment. The one thing BMI has managed to do with BMIBaby is turn a no hope loss-making operation at EMA into a wider operation that it potentially saleable - before BMIBaby, no other airline would have taken a second look at taking on BMI's EMA operations.
Particularly if it continues not to make money (but likely in any case), I see BMI trying off-load BMIBaby at the end of the summer season - I'd guess either a management buy out an attempted sale to another low cost carrier. The end result of that would be that BMI would have finally unencumbered itself of the East Midlands base without the embarrasment of shutting down its home-base operation and without having to stand the cost of large numbers of layoffs. That will likely clear the way in the longer term for a take over of BMI by Lufthansa.
Teesside may well finally get its low-cost operator - how long BMIBaby will operate in its current form I would suggest is open to a fair degree of speculation.
Q. We are seeing some of the more traditional carriers moving over into the low cost area. Delta Airlines will start Song imminently and, of course, Air Canada has moved into Tango and Zip. Do you think this is the right strategy for these carriers to be making?
A. There have been a number of attempts at traditional carriers running low-cost carriers. Very, very few success stories.
A. The problems have been various. Not understanding what the low-cost model really was about - the issues I mentioned before. Cannibalisation of the core business. The other issues are also unions. The unions within the core business want to be involved in the low-cost business which, at times, can compromise the business model. If you're going to focus on your core business and you're a traditional carrier, then starting a low-cost carrier is, by its very nature, outside your core business.
Holgate From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2334 times:
Now then,now then calm down everyone!,its time to chill!!!!!!!
Thanx for the welcom APP,us Teessiders have to stick together.
Skymonster, Have you got something against us smog-monsters, thought the north-south divide was a thing of the past!!..........................or is it still alive and kicking?
Whatever anyone thinks the bmibaby announcement is excellent news for teesside,north yorkshire and county durham.I am no expert on the aviation industry,but like many people have a general interest in aviation.
New routes,new operator and new jobs can only mean good news in my eyes!!
Good luck bmibaby!!,I for one will be spending my hard earned cash on a short break with them!!
Holgate From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2322 times:
Ooppss!!,sorry skymonster,meant to say "Bestwestern have you got something against us smog-monsters".
My deepest apoligies to you skymonster,........................................
Hope your not a real skymonster.....................,
.............................................Mean while back on the funny-farm all is well,the birds are singing...............
BestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6784 posts, RR: 57 Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2302 times:
The North South-Divide is alive and well.... And I aint from the south!
I agree its excellent news for Teesside (look I can even spell it right! - unlike Ryanair when they originally launched the route)... Lots of cheap holidays this winter.... and then serious re-trenchment and closure of bases when over capacity reigns and yields plummet.
APP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 546 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
Hi all, just got in from the pub and picked up the thread again.
BestWestern: Respect to anyone who actually manages to spell TeeSSide correctly.... 1 x 's' really pisses me off! Also I didn't say that Teesside had a wealthier catchment area than Southampton, but I may have overreacted to the possible implication that we in the north are poor relations to you guys in the south.
NORTHERN AND PROUD. Junhinho knows the score!!!!!!!
Also (at the risk of wearing a flat cap.. what is WW?)
Holgate: Damn right, there are precious few of us around!!
GKirk: I'd be surprised if there are as many as two trains per WEEK stop at MME, but when I mentioned the rail links for MME you'll notice it was Darlington I was referring to. When all's said and done you wouldn't believe the historical significance of Stockton-Darlington would you?
How times change!!