DC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
This dude in a class said he rode on a Virgin 777, but I said it was either a 747 or an A340, but he INSISTS it was a 777 because of the TVs in the seats.
Anyway, I bet him $5 and told him to bring proof.
So, Virgin doesn't have 777s right? I don't think they do.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1635 times:
Virgin has no 777's. They operate A340-300's, A340-600's, 747-400's and one leased 747-200. They used to operate more -200's, one -100 and for a while, had A320 and A321's for flights to Athens.
Ybacpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1108 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
Virgin has no 777's. They operate A340-300's, A340-600's, 747-400's and one leased 747-200. They used to operate more -200's, one -100 and for a while, had A320 and A321's for flights to Athens.
AA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1575 times:
Looks like you won an easy 5$ Tony. I wish people took bets with me like that. No 777s for Virgin
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20859 posts, RR: 55 Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1505 times:
ConcordeBoy: the 4engines4longhaul nonsense is utter P.R., and nothing more
Aside from redundancy issues (and the laws of nature haven´t stopped working, yet) it merely states that Virgin uses quads for long haul routes. It might sound silly - at least until the first time an ETOPS twin has to ditch when its second engine decides to quit as well...
ConcordeBoy: Virgin once operated the 763ER transatlantically (lease agreement), and they were among the most interested airlines in the twinjet Sonic Cruiser
You mean Branson´s famous quote "...I intend to order three"?
No wonder Boeing had to scrap their SC plans if nobody wanted more than Branson.
Marcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1721 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1459 times:
I once got in to an argument with a coworker abour a smiliar situation, he claimed on his Singapore Arlines flight from LAX to Singapore and back....he took 5 engined jet!!!!......2 on each side and one on the tail section.......and it had two decks for passengers...(nothing out of the ordinary here) and bunk beds for the passengers in the lower cargo hold.
Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
Aside from redundancy issues (and the laws of nature haven´t stopped working, yet) it merely states that Virgin uses quads for long haul routes
You're (not surprisingly) failing to grasp the point of the statement: Branson, during the Farnborough Airshow, attempted to lull his audience into believing that VS would never operate a twinjet on longhaul flights... when in fact VS has, and obviously (made apparent due to its enthusiasm for the proposed S.C.) would do so again.
It might sound silly - at least until the first time an ETOPS twin has to ditch when its second engine decides to quit as well
....or how about when a trijet fries to a crisp 15 minutes away from land due to faulty wiring and inadequate [if any] fire suppression? Quite sad really, and a far cry from 90-207minutes.... dont you think?
No wonder that the FAA is considering placing ETOPS specifications on all aircraft!
You mean Branson´s famous quote "...I intend to order three"?
Nah, I was thinking more along the lines of his quote "if they can really do what they say they can, we'll be the first to order.... it will totally alter how we view the market!
Interesting to note that this statement was duplicated almost verbatim by Gordon Bethune and Donald Carty as well.... but you heard it forst from Virgin and good ol' DICKIE BRANSON
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1263 times:
....or how about when a trijet fries to a crisp 15 minutes away from land due to faulty wiring and inadequate [if any] fire suppression? Quite sad really, and a far cry from 90-207minutes.... dont you think?
That has nothing to do with it being a trijet. That accident could have happened to a 4-engine, or a 2 engined aircraft.
All he's saying is if you lose an engine on a quadjet, you've got 3 others. While if you lose an engine on a twin, you've only got 1 engine.
Now, of course jet engines have become much more reliable and it's less of an issue (that's why twins are allowed to fly over oceans). However, all he's implying that if you've got a quadjet, you've still got 3 engines which is better than 1. You can't deny that.
Even the A340-300 which is an underpowered aircraft can lose 3 of it's 4 engines and that 1 35,000lb. of thrust CFM56-5C engine is sufficient to keep it in the air. So you essentially have 3 back-ups on a quad.
As for me, it doesn't matter since airliners have (whether twins or quads) have becoming extremely safe. If I'm gonna die in a plane crash, that's my fate and I'll accept it.
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20859 posts, RR: 55 Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1241 times:
ConcordeBoy: You're (not surprisingly) failing to grasp the point of the statement:
Well, I disagree with your opinion, so I must be completely stupid, of course!
ConcordeBoy: Branson, during the Farnborough Airshow, attempted to lull his audience into believing that VS would never operate a twinjet on longhaul flights... when in fact VS has, and obviously (made apparent due to its enthusiasm for the proposed S.C.) would do so again.
You´re making stronger assumptions than the evidence seems to support...
ConcordeBoy: ....or how about when a trijet fries to a crisp 15 minutes away from land due to faulty wiring and inadequate [if any] fire suppression? Quite sad really, and a far cry from 90-207minutes.... dont you think?
It´s useless to compare outdated planes built to lower standards with current ETOPS-certified ones.
In a comparison between an A340-600, designed, built, equipped and operated to the same standards as a 777, there´s only one major difference in safety: After the second engine shutdown, only the A340 will have a chance to reach an airport beyond gliding distance.
ConcordeBoy: Nah, I was thinking more along the lines of his quote "if they can really do what they say they can, we'll be the first to order.... it will totally alter how we view the market!
The "if" being the operative word, as it turned out.
DC10Tony From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
Yeah, I knew Virgin didn't have 777s, I just wanted to confirm it with everyone here.
I just told him that he was probably on a 747, because they're almost the same size, but he was so sure it was a 777 that he made a complete ass of himself trying to sound like he knew something.
I'll have to see if this clown will pay me when Monday comes. Then again, watching him make a fool out of himself was enough pay for me.
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