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Virgin To The Rescue For Concorde?  
User currently offlineGordonroxburgh From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 550 posts, RR: 20
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6379 times:

Virgin Atlantic founder Richard Branson said on Thursday his airline was interested in buying British Airways' doomed Concorde fleet, but would offer just £1 (?1.5, $1.6).





Branson, the king of publicity stunts, said in a statement he would be asking BA for the full operation figures for its fleet of seven Concorde.

"Since the British Airways' announcement this morning we have been flooded with calls from the public, including BA staff, asking us to see if we can keep Concorde flying," said Branson.

"When the Conservative government gave British Airways Concorde for £1 they said that if another British company ever wanted to operate it they could.

"If having examined the figures Virgin Atlantic, with its lower cost base, believes it can make a success of it we will be asking British Airways to give us the planes for the same price that they were given them for (£1) together with the slots and other facilities that they use.

"This might come to nothing but I believe that every effort should be made to keep Concorde flying as it is such an important symbol of British innovation," he added.

Air France and British Airways said on Thursday Concorde would stop flying by the end of October at the latest after more than quarter of a century as a transatlantic shuttle for the rich and privileged.

The cost of developing the supersonic passenger jet were borne by the British and French governments and only BA and Air France - at the time both state-run - opted to buy the hugely expensive aircraft.

BA indicated that it wanted to see its Concordes put on display to the public rather than going to rival carriers, but the thought of being able to give the aircraft away and not have to fund the £84Million write-off costs may sound a very good deal for the cash strapped airline.

Source Concordesst.com / News24.com

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User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6334 times:

Personally, as much as i'd love to see them flying, they should be put to rest when BA and AF quit.

Just my opinion.

A^A MD-11


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6581 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6329 times:
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Branson is indeed a master of publicity, even if it comes to nothing his name brand will be heard by many many people.. Its the kind of publicty tou juat cant buy. Imagine the posibilities with a a Supersonic Virgin!!!


Step into my office, baby
User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

GO RIKKY  Big thumbs up

I knew that model existed but thats the first picture I have seen of it !.

It would be fantastic if he could pull this one off.

Gordon - you planning on organising to charter one to do some flights ?. I'm sure they would be plenty of interest just from this site alone.

Any idea's on the cost ?.

You could Charter the a/c then divide the cost of the charter buy 100 seats and add £100-£200 onto the resulting cost to cover time and expenses - they would sell like hot cakes.

If you seriously consider it, e-mail me - I'd love to help.

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

I love Richard Banson if he pulls this of VS for ever baby! We should all sign a potion backing him this needs to be done. Good old virgin to the rescue.

User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

I personally think airlines have been waiting to buy the concorde for a long time, but waited until BA/AF didnt get any profit from them, then theyd buy it for half the price, i also heard Southwest might be thinking of buying one or two aircraft, so its early days, but exiting none the less..

User currently offlineStarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

How SPECTACULAR would that be! I really really hope this goes through!


Yours truly - StarFlyer
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6210 times:

What possible use would SOUTHWEST have for the Concorde? She's quite noisy, you know, and Southwest's network doesn't call for supersonic speeds. Keep on dreamin'.

User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

I agree, it wouldn't be right, (even though I want them to keep flying) if Virgin or anyone else used them. BA + AF must reconsider!

DC-10


User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

Dosent matter who flies it long as its still doing what its meant to do be such a pioner and before its time there is still no match for her. The is BA and there is also other ways.

User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

As I said in another post yesterday, if only Branson made a genuine offer, not a 1-pound-publicity-stunt-insult....

Let's face it, BA would see Aeroflot take over their Concorde fleet rather than giving one of them to Branson.

I'm all for it. But he should be willing to go all the way, and not just all the way of an hot-air-filled bubble of his own publicity...

Regards

Ikarus

PS: Now where can I buy that model?


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

I can't believe how sad I feel. I mean it's only a plane but it means so much. Like when I used to go down to LHR, I only wanted to go just to see Concorde, it was the highlight of the day. I can't believe it's going. Someone must save them!

DC-10


User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6094 times:

Yeah just watch some footage on the TV about her she cant end in this way. If you ask me everything possible should be done to find her a new owner. This is an absolute national travesty hope BA and AF pay for what they are doing its like selling the crown Jules.

The only people that will be happy are Green Peace in my opinion she should be exclude from Bermuda 2 so anyone can fly her LHR-JFK. She should also be exempted from fuel tax and landing fees and just general treated like the national treasure she is.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5996 times:
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It's unlikely to happen but it would simply be awesome if Sir Richard did indeed buy the Concorde from BA, just imagine that! Big grin It would truly be a "silver dream machine"!



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5970 times:

If he dose buy them it will be absolute exsticy and Virgin Atlantic would be truley our national carrier. Love them to show AF and BA up. They might do the CDG-JFK flight as well.

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5965 times:

Just a thought - would the silver paint be ok in supercruise ??? or would it have to remain white ???

 Smile



"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5948 times:

Branson's offer is legit. BA didn't pay money for Concorde, so why should Virgin pay BA for the airframes?

It would be wonderful if Virgin kept Concorde flying!

Steve


User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5888 times:

Can the government or someone not step in to keep this histrorical aircraft going like stick a compulsory sell order or something on BA. Everything possible should be done to keep her flying even boucought BA anything.

you have got to keep the faith and I believe in Mr Branson


User currently offlineManzoori From UK - England, joined Sep 2002, 1516 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5882 times:

It's alright folks, Richard's made the deal already...


Cheers

Rez
 Wink/being sarcastic



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User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5860 times:

Looks nice  Big thumbs up Don't get me wrong, I'd love this to happen, but it isn't. The best chance Branson has got of getting SSC is to go to duxford in the early hours with some wire cutters and a tug! Sorry, but its true. BA would rather retire them than give Branson the upper hand  Sad

jmc757 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineBd1959 From Australia, joined Oct 2002, 450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5851 times:

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with most here: would love to see the old girl continue to "grace" our skies, but I'm afraid that this is just another shot by Branson across the BA bows. Of course BA would not open their books and then hand over the birds and the slots - what would the slots alone be worth at LHR? - for a measely quid. Please, please BA prove me wrong - and call his buff! Mr Branson would have to use full reverse thrust to back-peddle.

I feel as though this beautiful lady and I go back a long way: we grew up together and I vaguely remember her first appearance at Farnborough. My Australian wife used to rush out of our flat in Teddington each morning (when they were using 9R) to wave her off when we were in London in '96.

Are there any museums out there who could seriously afford to keep at least one of these old ladies flying?

God's speed, speedbird.

BD1959


User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5793 times:

BA Best move would actually be selling concord to virgin in the publicity stakes. If and when the big handover came hafe if not all the world's media will cover the big hand over. The Devil sorry Mr Edington could say something along the lines of BA feels so privileged and honored to have operated the airplane for 27 years they would prefer to see it live on with someone else rather than kill her operational days just because they find her un economical to fly should not signal her end. As she is such a marvel of an aircraft they whish to make sure she has as bright a future as possible because BA fells such affection for her as well as most of the general public. They are willing to do this even though VS is there UK rival on LHR-USA. BA Would come out very good in this and they aren't acutely losing out to VS as concord is such a niche market and BA would not have anything to compete with and if it is as uneconmical as BA say and VS get egg on there face its them that look bad for ending the flying life of the ledgend that is concord early. And at the worst BA is only going to lose 100 customers that don't make them any money anyways apparently as the outgoings are now higher than ticket sales.

User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

WTF!!!, SOUTHWEST interested in a CONCORDE can someone elaborate or am i just dreaming?


A guy asks 'What's Punk?'. I kick over a trash can and its punk. He knocks over a trash can and its trendy.
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

Maybe there owner just feels the same as all us about concord and wants to keep her flying. Its not about who flys her as long as she keeps flying.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5711 times:

Concorde forever!!!!!!!!!!!



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 QANTASFOREVER : Expect a few concordes to go off to airlines with a lot of money (gov owned), or to rediculously rich people wanting a quick way to travel around. QAN
26 Beno : I think BA will keep the concorde running at a loss rather than see her turn Virgin.
27 RayChuang : Actually, I think VS could actually make a profit on the Concorde, mostly because Branson would actually bother to properly market the plane to its in
28 Post contains images Canadian747 : Lets Keep Conorde Flying Forever cause she was a plane built before her time and I love her Also if I would own my own airline that would be the attit
29 N754pr : Remember the Dark red tail would not be possible because of the heat.
30 Ikarus : N754pr: So the Singapore Airlines & Pepsi liveries never went supersonic? Anyways. I only now noticed that Branson is actually asking for the slots as
31 Vr-hkg : Just like Branson to seek a little free publicity - where'd you hear that? No way BA would ever let the Concorde go to a competitor, particularly Bran
32 Jmc777 : I seem to remember a few years back, that Richard Branson was very seriously thinking of operating one of AF concordes in his own livery. He was also
33 Trintocan : Sad to say, there is no way that any other airline would ever buy Concorde. To begin with, the entire set up of pilots, maintenance and the like would
34 David L : I'm sure one of our resident Concorde experts here can clarify but wasn't it just the last few aircraft that were purchased for £1. Didn't the first
35 Trintocan : David L you are right - I think it was only the last 4 airframes which were sold for £1 to BA and 1 FFR to AF in 1980 after SQ (I think) had cancelle
36 Post contains links VgnAtl747 : I don't think it would ever happen. But it would certainly be cool. I just don't see BA just "giving up" the concorde. I think Branson would have to o
37 Srbmod : British Airways has already said they will not be selling their Concordes to any airline, and the a/c are destined to become museum pieces. Air France
38 Silverfox : I agree, it should still fly, and by whoever wants to do it. If the great bearded one has looked into this whereby they are obliged to sell, then go f
39 Captaingomes : I'd love to hear GDB's comments concerning this. I too would love to see VS operate the Concorde, but there are too many variables. He might be able t
40 Skymonster : I'm sure that this is just another publicity stunt from Dicky B. Nice idea, appeals to the public's desire to keep Concorde flying, gets their sympath
41 Benny 26 : Can we all stick to the point of the question!!! "Virgin to the rescue for concorde" Oh Purlease! If anyone out there, who really knows the truth abou
42 USAir330 : I think it would be pretty cool to see the Concorde flying in Virgin colors. But the history of the Concorde is British Airways and Air France and it
43 RayChuang : I think VS--with help from its 49% shareholder SQ--should try to buy up to 6-8 Concordes and use them on both LHR-JFK and LHR-IAD routes. People are f
44 Post contains links Jhooper : Concorde not for sale. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/04/11/biz.trav.concorde/index.html
45 EA CO AS : Because Concorde's development costs have long been paid off and the service infrastructure is already in place, VS could actually lower the price of
46 EGGD : If you reduce the price, of course. Then why take a first class seat on a 744 or 772 when you can have Concorde for the same price? As for Virgin, why
47 Post contains images Donder10 : BA will probabarly move to 8 dailies to JFK next summer then.If it is true that they don't make money in economy to JFK then I'm surprised they don't
48 737heavy : Don't BA HAVE to sell it if someone else is willing to take it on? I thought this was part of the deal back in the 80's when the gov sold them to BA f
49 Post contains links USAJPNflyer : According to this CNN article, it states that "But British Airways said firmly on Friday its seven Concordes were "not for sale" as the successors to
50 GDB : Lets get some myths out of the way, this £1 BA paid for each Concorde, only true of the 2 extra aircraft over the original order for 5, only 214 and
51 Post contains images Airchabum : As a VS employee I'd love to see this happen but realistically I can't see it. As Captaingomes points out, VS (like most other airlines) doesen't exac
52 AAMD11 : As for Virgin, why can't the a/c be painted in VS colours?? They painted it with Pepsi colours didn't they... Yeah, AF painted a Concorde in the blue
53 Backfire : Everything is for sale at the right price. And airlines which belong to external shareholders won't have much choice in the decision if it means bring
54 FutureFO : I think that it is sad that the Concorde will leave the worlds skies in Oct. I hope that Sir Richard gets at least 2 for the 1GBP that he wants but I
55 Cloudy : Branson only wants the Concords if he can get them "together with the slots and other facilities that they use." BA may not want to keep the Concord.
56 Wjv04 : Ya, ba still would rather retire them then give them to VS
57 EA CO AS : Then why take a first class seat on a 744 or 772 when you can have Concorde for the same price? That's exactly my point. If I'm CEO of either BA or AF
58 Mt99 : What would a Virgin Concorde be named.. My pick "Supersonic Virgin"
59 ARGinMIA : Well I think that the Concorde is not owned by BA.. The British people paid for it a long time ago.. So I think they should demand their government to
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