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Someone Will Save Her She Means Two Much!  
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Guys concord will not stay grounded someone will save this wonderful machine she means to much to far far to much to people who love planes and people who don't even no what they are flying on. She is something special and special things never die before there time. She brings out gasps and amazement in everyone she is not a machine she is a loved by all who see her and an icon of the world the ground shall not have her! Beauty inspire and someone will be inspired to save her.

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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

My heart wishes you were right, but my brain thinks you are probably wrong. BA will probably not sell any, but rather donate them all to museums (with the caveat that they not be flown) and scrap the leftovers so they can go down in history as one of the 2 who were ever able to operate supersonically. I hate to say it but IMHO BA's pride would rather see Concorde die than have another operator. As for AF, I really don't know what their position is on the issue.


Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

BA have to sell them, they dont OWN concorde once its retired, so whoever wants to buy one can do so at their own cost, concorde wasnt built for BA or AF, they just bought it, also an agreement was signed by the conservatives in the 70's stating that "if anyone wishes to buy the aircraft after its retired they may do so at the same price BA bought it for"

User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

God save Richard Branson ! Hope he dose fly them a will love it. Two fingred salute to BA if they can.

User currently offlineBeltwayBandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Economics always prevail.

There's a spot waiting for one BA Concorde right near my office. The new Smithsonian Air & Space Museum at Dulles Airport. It's be in good company. Space Shuttle, SR71, Enola Gay...


User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

planespotterx

What do you mean they don't own the aircraft???

If they bought them, of course they own them. They will not be forced to sell them or anything alike. And in my JP there is no note saying that they are from a leasing company, so they probably DO belong to BA.

and in that case they can do whatever they want to do with it (well of course not everything, e.g. drown it the thames or sell them as food or other ridiculous stuff - but you know what i mean...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

they will most probably never fly again once they stop! I was already surprised that they took off again after the AF incident. unfortunatley they are just not economical anymore...

Greetz, Pat




swissair/+/ we care
User currently offlineANA777master From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

This is hot on Branson's mind right now....

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

I would be awesome if Branson took it. I love him right now, and it would be real cool if he did get it. Maybe John Travolta could buy it?


Go big or go home
User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

hey if anyone can buy the concorde at the price BA got it for? so why not some one get it for 1 pound and park it in the back yard :P

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

I think that the press have to take some of the blame for this. They have done nothing but critisize Concorde sine the Paris crash. Every single little problem Concorde suffers makes the news, but many many other "normal" airliners suffer many more problems each day but do not even get a mention in the news.

The press have to pay for this. Refuse to buy their tabloid garbage !!!. Half the stuff they print is just plain old Bollocks, most of the "facts" are based on hearsay and half truths anyway. It's not fit to wipe my ar$e on.

 Pissed




"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Yes the press are a bunch of sorry little SOB's but my new bestest friend in the hold wide world Richey boy is gonna fly them three cheers for Mr Branson.

User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

You guys talk about Concorde as if it will be destroyed at the scrap heap. Because the Concorde is special, they will not all be destroyed. At least one, if not all of them, will have a good resting place.

What more do you want?



An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2617 times:
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If Richard Branson bought them he would be a saviour for me and millions of other SST fans across the world. It's unlikely but we can dream can't we?




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User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

I will second that Arsenal SIR Richard will be a savior.

hmmmm... Why do we want the greatest engineering feet ever by man sitting in a "good resting place" when they are in some forecasts good to go for another 20 years and a hole 2 gererations of people missing out on such a fabulous experience. I for one feel robed of flying concord if Mr B dose not save this wonderfully plane as I have always aspired to fly on it and my dream was always to be a concord pilot when I was a wee Boy. Now I am absolutely desperately trying to find the cash to fly once on her before its to late.

I'm keeping my faith that MR Branson will come throw for me but.


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

You guys are having pipe dreams. That type of pipes that produce smoke. Be happy with a Concorde museum and leave it at that. The Concorde is not an experience that will ever be accessible to any but the wealthy. And even the wealthy are balking at paying for it now. That's why they are stopping it. Why should such a thing be maintained by an airline? Just to appease a bunch of airplane nerds who complain they haven't had a chance to fly it?


An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
User currently offlineKramri From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Avroarrow: "BA will probably not sell any, but rather donate them all to museums (with the caveat that they not be flown) and scrap the leftovers so they can go down in history as one of the 2 who were ever able to operate supersonically."

And then there were 3... or at least 2 1/2!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineVr-hkg From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Concorde will not fly again for exactly the same reasons that the great passenger liner Canberra was scrapped by P&O. British Airways will not allow another airline the prestige of flying the Concorde, and particularly not Virgin / Branson. You can guarantee that either ownership of the Concorde aircraft will remain with BA when they are given to museums, or the aircraft will be altered to make it economically unfeasable to return them to an airworthy state, or the contract when selling the aircraft to a museum will state that the museum is not allowed to sell the aircraft to any airline or leasing company, and must put a similar clause in the contract if they sell it to another company. AF will no doubt do exactly the same.

Either way, once BA and AF decided to stop flying Concorde, the life of that great bird was ended. Look at the reasons P&O scrapped the Canberra, a ship that many other cruise lines would have loved to sail - not because she was economically unfeasible to refit and sail, but simply because P&O could not allow the competition to take a ship that many loved. They'd have lost passengers to the competition in so doing, so they scrapped her instead.

At least be thankful that the Concorde will be placed in a museum, rather than being scrapped to prevent somebody else flying her.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Kramri, if you are looking at "joint" operators of Concorde, you must not forget Braniff.

Cheers,
DIA



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User currently offlineIwantaBBJ From Switzerland, joined Jun 2002, 776 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
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So, how about a endlessly-rich saudi or so, buying one to impress his friends that own BBJ's, Gulfs and so on?

I mean, there are quite a lot of them who don't have to worry about money...

Mike


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Everyone seems to forget the huge engineering team that supports Concorde and the lack of spare parts. Branson isn't stupid. BA stopped Concorde because it wasn't making money.

User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

exactly as 777236ER said.

It was said in the papers (tabloid most liekly) "Virgin, with its lower cost base, could operate the aircraft at a profit"
complete bollocks.
They may have a lower operating cost for say a 744.
this is concorde.
they have never flown it, havent come close.
they'd need to incorporate all the tech crews, pilots, cabin staff to fly it.
alternately, take your own staff, and train them.
how long does it take to transistion from a 744 to a Concorde.... how much would it cost?!

We're talking huge costs to incorporate the aircaft, let alone operate it daily.
Spares are fast running out, and increasingly hard to get hold of, that's going to make it very costly in the coming years to keep them going.

As mentioned before... be glad they will be rested, and not scrapped.

>> hoorah for another Branson PR stunt... NOT!

A^A MD-11


User currently offlineMonarch From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 362 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

Is there a need for BA to ground all Concordes, How about them just keeping one in service? Oh, and instead of the great people who work on these aircraft losing their jobs, it should be Rod Eddington - he should resign out of disgrace?? what will be BA's flagship now???

Virgin truely is Britain's flag carrier!


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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5056 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Oh I can just see the headlines now: Hooters Air buys Concorde fleet

And the ad campaign would go:

Live in New York? How about a quick round of golf in Myrtle Beach and we'll get you back in time for the Yankee's game.....

LOL

bruce



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Virgin truely is Britain's flag carrier!

Why, because Richard says so? Operating to the most lucrative destinations, with no domestic routes and no European routes hardly makes them the flag carrier.


User currently offlineMonarch From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 362 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Well, you can't call BA Britain's flag carrier can you???

25 BeltwayBandit : Hooters Air would bring people to Mets games, not Yankees. (And Jets, not Giants.)
26 777236ER : Well, you can't call BA Britain's flag carrier can you??? Yeah, you saw through the evil plan. I have to say the "British" and "Airways" had me fooled
27 Monarch : Well BA is not very British in my eyes. Virgin is Britain's flag carrier - no doubt about it!
28 777236ER : Yeah...any reason?
29 Bhxforever : How is British Airways not Britain's flag carrier??? What are u smoking?
30 Bmi330 : Who's gave yours permission to turn my post on the board into a VS vs BA topic? Hmmmm.... People aviation fan's or not aspire to a trip on concord as
31 Hmmmm... : Hmmmm.... People aviation fan's or not aspire to a trip on concord as well as a great toll to business passengers wanting to fly the Atlantic. You jus
32 Post contains links and images SwissA330 : HELLO?? This Bird -although still very attractive- was designed over 25 years ago!!! It went into service as a 14-aircraft strong fleet. Have you any
33 GDB : The issues are not really airframe life, they are pretty young, but the £40 million for a range of system and minor airframe work coming up was the d
34 Cedarjet : It is true that BA and Air France don't really own their Concorde fleets - they didn't buy the planes in the first place (well, £1 or FFR1 per aircra
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