Cloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4759 times:
If there was not a war on now, Gordon would be pilloried in the press just like Trent Lot was. The "United is HIV positive" comment will get him in trouble with all kinds of interest groups involved in AIDS issues as well as people who stand to lose if United falls. Bethune might want to keep in mind that an AIDS diagnosis is not necessarily a death sentence anymore. There are drugs available now that can keep many patients alive more or less indefinitely. AIDS is slowly becoming more of a chronic, managed disease like diabetes than the certain killer it once was.
Bethune says many things that need to be said and others are afraid to say. But he needs to be careful. I'm sure that many Continental employees and customers have AIDS or know someone who does. Such insensitivity and blatant ignorance could be costing him more than he realizes, even on days like today when the war dominates the news.
Markus From United States of America, joined May 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4598 times:
As a former Continental and Continental Express employee...
Gordon's an "ok" guy. I had the chance to meet him when getting a profit sharing check back in the day. He runs a tight ship and says it like he sees it. My favorite quote of his is, ""We're a stupid industry led by stupid people." Unfortunately, he has the tendency to say things before thinking about the repercussions. He also has a tendency to use the press to make a point by making a bold statement and using a 'funny' expression...see above posts. His comments about Continental going bankrupt soon after 9/11 are a prime example. His 'knee-jerk' reactions are notorious. Overall he's doing a pretty good job managing the unmanageable.
Speedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4567 times:
I suggest Gordo Buffoon forget about Denver and set up a hub operation in San Francisco. His big mouth will get him plenty of attention, and plenty of people in his terminal. Only they won't be there to buy tickets, they will be there to protest a totally ignorant man who wants to be a player outside his league.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3780 posts, RR: 24 Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4538 times:
Say, let's drive the Euros and lefties nuts and put Gordo on the Republican ticket for '08' . They think they hate Bush now, just imagine if Gordo were to take up residence at 1600 in some 5 years time!
UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4424 times:
Gordon Buffoon like to poniticate on what he would LIKE to happen as if it where absolute truth. He hasn't the faited clue about UA's position. and on top of that tried to make light of it with an off color joke. You all just have to realize that Bethune is all talk, he's got no substance.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 29 Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4404 times:
If UAL folds. . .USAirways will not set-up at Denver. Continental has a good chance of setting up at Denver with some re-wiring. . .
What is correct. . ."If they had a viable economic alternative to Cleveland, they would take it in a minute. But they won't come to Denver at the current cost structure."
Sally Covington's words are gold. Trust me. "Our costs may be higher than other airports because we are a newer airport and carry higher debt, but the ability to make profits is equally higher," said Sally Covington, DIA's director of marketing."
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
UBBA Pilot From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4337 times:
Gordon is the man. He definately pulls no punches. I had the pleasure of spending nearly an hour with him last January. Although some of you may say he speaks without thinking, I feel it's more that he speaks without caring if some whiny brat is going to get upset and cry to mommy.
So the man said something that pissed a few people off. At least he had the good sense to say that "United is infected with SARS." Now that would be an extrememly insensitive statement. Plus it could be taken the wrong way and some people might think that their aircraft are carriers of the disease.
It may not have been the brightest of statements, but I think people should get over it and move on.
CactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4326 times:
You all just have to realize that Bethune is all talk, he's got no substance.
Altough I think he went a little over the line with the HIV comment, you can't argue with this man's track record. He's a true leader who speaks his mind, no BS. Of course whenever you take the "pull no punches" approach you're likely to piss more than a few people off. But I'd be willing to bet that he could probably turn around the mess that is United Airlines right now. Too bad for UA that he's on the other side.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16559 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4238 times:
UAL (after Goodwin left) tried desperately to hire Gordon, he didn't want the job, they next tried to hire CO's former # 2 (the man who helped turn CO around) Greg Breneman, he didn't want the job either.
UAL had to hire someone from outside the industry, I think Glenn Tilton is doing a good job but the fact that no one from within the airline industry even considered taking the UAL job speaks volumes.
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 19 Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4186 times:
You all just have to realize that Bethune is all talk, he's got no substance.
Thanks to Gordon, I still have a job and have not had to deal with the significant pay cuts that the flight crews of other airlines have been burdened with. Maybe I'm not making as much as they were prior to 9/11, but I value consistency, and that's what Gordon has delivered. If a leader can give me a good place to work and job security, well, that's really all I can ask for.
Gordon is the best CEO in the industry today, without a doubt. Even if his mouth can get in his way sometimes, he always gets the job done right, and for that I have tremendous respect for him.
UALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4162 times:
My statement is ment in this regard:
Gordon Bethune has done yoemans work pulling CO from the lower ranks of airlines int he Late eithie and early nineties to the airline it is today. Co was a terrrible airline for years before he turned it around.
However, having given credit where credit was due, Bethune doen't know diddly about UAL and its problems. He can guess, but he really doesn't know.
Secondly, asking him to comment on UA's situation is like asking the Iraqi Information Minister about the state of the war in Iraq. He has his own agenda. He would love to see UA fall. Its in his interest to downplay positive news and trumpet any bad news. With UA having so much good news recently its no wonder he has to resort to name calling and phantom problems.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 29 Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
Just noticed that in the article, it says that CO was the dominant carrier at Stapleton in the 1980s. . .this isn't true. UA had always been the dominant carrier at Stapleton. At Stapleton, UA was #1, CO was #2 and the old Frontier was #3. That never changed.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
Lowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4065 times:
>>Care for a little cheese with your whine?
Gordon's outspoken. Deal with it.<<
Not when he is reinforcing stereotypes that are dead wrong. Linking HIV positive and death is not something that could be called outspoken. Outspoken is calling UA management 'idiots' or saying that the company is as strong as tissue paper. It is similar to saying United management are women, and should go back to the kitchen, or that they are black, and too dumb to run an airline. You just can't say stuff like that.
Markus From United States of America, joined May 1999, 275 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3962 times:
I'm happy to here that your job was spared during the post 9/11 bloodbath of furloughs and layoffs. Things were not so pretty on the management side. I couldn't 'flow back' and take some smaller station supervisors job when mine was eliminated. The COEX station training department was reduced from 5 to 1 person and we lost the best HR director in the business (Mitchell Fortson now with MidAtlantic Airways-USAir EX)...not to mention most of the recruiters. About 1/3 of the station supervisors were either demoted or let go...it was ugly. You may credit Gordo for saving your job, but that was only because of a seniority number...remember that. Keep in mind that if the $hit really hits the fan CAL won't have a lot to work with. They have no capital...all the a/c are leased. The only a/c that CAL has owned in the past 7 years were the Beeches and they were "sold" to 3M down in Florida. So how do you cut costs...by reducing capacity (ie. add RJs) and reduce staffing. Not such a rosy picture. At the moment, ExpressJet is keeping CAL afloat. This is why CAL will not release the remaining shares of XJT.
I'm not trying to sound bitter...just realistic. Gordon didn't save anyone's jobs. He merely adjusted things in an effort to stay alive. Just ask an XJT pilot out on the street because a CAL 73FO took his seat after flowing-back. I'm just glad I'm with a better run company now...go Fred Smith.
Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3913 times:
Gordo couldn't run OUR airline if he tried, none of the employees would support him. He is very outspoken and yes, even pulls no punches, but you have to wonder if your a CO employee if one day he'll put his whole leg in his mouth and devour the foot. He is an ass and his comments speak for themselves, to make a comment about UAL and HIV is pure ignorance, but then again his ego was inflated when he turned a crappy airline into a competitor.
William From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1204 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3856 times:
Political correctness run AMUK! I am glad I live in the real world when a comment like that is said and heard and 99.9 % of the public goes on with their daily lives. UAL has more problems to worry about than what a CAL CEO said. Yes,get over it.
HIV positive does not mean you will die,especially with the advancement of medication. With that said,those concerned only have to look to the continent of Africa where HIV have ravaged countries with estimates of 20% of the population being infected.
FlashMeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2892 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3810 times:
It's a shame that a comment like that passed Gordon's 'inappropriate' filter before he said it. It points to a little bit of small-dog syndrome, I'm afraid. Yes, Gordon has done incredible things at Continental, but that doesn't excuse him from being tactful. No epic business leader ever got there by shooting his mouth off... including St. Bethune.
Plus...doesn't he realize the percentage of homosexual employees he has? Way to pump up morale, Gordo!
25 Alpha 1: Gordon made a poor choice of words, but, as usual, people want to make a federal case out of it, instead of just ignoring it and going on with their l
26 MarkTpa: Gordon Bethune is a genius at what he does. All of the United employees are just upset that he didn't come to save them. If it weren't for Gordon, Con
27 Fanoftristars: I think it is pathetic that people would take offense to his comment. What disease should Gordon use to put UA's problems into perspective? He was obv
28 Alpha 1: Fanoftristars, I don't mind people taking offense-he shouldn't have framed what he said in that way, but people blow things WAY out of proportion, and
29 Tango-Bravo: Gordon tells it like it is when he states "We're a stupid industry led by stupid people." However, I would hesitate to use the word "led" when referri
30 Klwright69: Alpha_1, very good post as usual. Just an additional comment on what you said though. You said the "Bush recession." However the economy was slowing b
31 Alpha 1: It was slowing, Klwright69, it wasn't in this full-fledge retreat like it is now. I stand by my statement.
32 Fanoftristars: Not to make this a presidential debate, but Alpha1 you must "enlighten" us on how bush is responsible for this recession... The effects of any preside
33 Alpha 1: The effects of any president on the economy take anywhere from 2 to 4 He's been in office 2 years, 3 months. And the economy wasn't in this bad of sha
34 Markus: Fanoftristars, You are absolutely correct...I'm not a Republican, nor a Democrat for that matter, so this is NOT a political comment. Anyone who has t
35 Alpha 1: Laxflyer, please inform us for whom that enlightened and intelligent post was intended for, OK? You obvious put a lot of time and thought into it, and
36 Ual777contrail: alpha1, nice to see you are such a huge gordo nut, no he couldn't help us. he turned CO around? Wow that was amazing. try a company like AA or UA of o
37 Ual777contrail: RICHARD BRANSON, that is a cool CEO. And he is also repected, know what i mean alpha? and you repect GORDO? SAD, isnt it. ual 777 contrail
38 EA CO AS: STT757, Gordo couldn't run OUR airline if he tried Unfortunately, neither can Glenn Tilton.
39 SWALUVFA: There is no question that Gordon Bethune is a good CEO and very knowledgeble about this industry. He saved Continental Airlines and turned that airlin
40 EA CO AS: BUT, there is a certain way to act (professionalism) when you create something good like the Continental today. It's a bit amusing when someone from W
41 Alpha 1: try a company like AA or UA of our size he would be in the same state the rest of our CEO'S have been in. Not to be freudian, but size doesn't matter.
42 Ual777contrail: If that's how you feel aplha1, I do in fact think that turning a small piece like CO around was hard try UA or AA. That is why it is funny that people
43 Fanoftristars: OK Alpha1, I'll ask again... Please tell us how bush has f-ed up the economy. I want specific actions that he took as a president that caused the econ
44 777236ER: UAL, if United have people like you working for them then no wonder they're in their current problem! You like Branson, who runs an airline that's sma
45 Ual777contrail: 77236, you like branson who runs an airline that's smaller than CO, but you hate bethune, who you chastise because he "only" made CO successful, and c
46 747-451: Mr. Bethune shouldn't be so "imperious" with his commentary, not in this economic environment. Fortunes are made or lost in moments now aren't they. F
47 EA CO AS: the reason he isn't running our airline when we pursued him is because HE knows he couldn't run us Ual777contrail- Seriously...what color is the sky i
48 777236ER: First off he couldn't run a lager airline and turn it around like he did little guys CO. Little airline? CO is probably worth MORE than UA is right no
49 Heavymetal: This is like strike 2.9 as far as I'm concerned. I once admired this man. Now I see he's nothing but a hypocritical, power drunk bore with no imaginat
50 747-451: Kinda like another Texan or Arkansan who "lives" in NY.
51 Brons2: FanOfTriStars, You want to lecture the older folks on this board on economics based on what? A few college courses? Run along please, child. Your cons
52 SWALUVFA: EA CO AS- Your comment about someone from Southwest giving a lecture on prosessionalism is just not right. Southwest Airlines is a VERY professional a
53 Ual777contrail: EA CO AS, Who ever said I overlook problems at UAL? We are going to be fine. you may say I am in denial but what do you want me to say. I've sold off
54 DIA: You know that person at the party who is cracking everybody up all night. . .but then goes a bit to far and shows his true colors and at that same tim
55 MarkTpa: My question is if everyone at UA thinks that he can't run a company of that size, why have they been after him for years to run it? When they couldn't
56 Ual777contrail: marktpa, Like we have choices when it comes to airline CEO'S, there is a line as long as the foodstamp line of people who want, and have experience ru
57 UALPHLCS: UAL first choice to be CEO was not Bethune. It was the guy who is currently th e president of Boeing. He wanted it too, however some ass let it slip t
58 MarkTpa: UAL777 contrail, You go right on believing that and it might just come true. Just like the Easter Bunny will be at your house around 12midnight on Sun
59 UALPHLCS: Wow Mark, I have to say you definately convinced me that Contrail was wrong. How did you get such a persuacive argument down to one sentence.