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Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.  
User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 724 posts, RR: 34
Posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Given the current problems in South East Asia, SIA has decided to retire the A310 fleet early. The last A310 flight will be on 31 May 2003.

The situation is fluid and this may well change should the conditions improve, but the chances are highly unlikely.


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

MEA's 3 A310-200s are leased from Singapore. However, with the 3 brand new A330-200s that MEA ordered coming in, the A310s are being returned to SQ. Does this mean SQ will immediately retire them when MEA returns them?

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User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 724 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Any returning from lease, such as those with Air India and MEA will probably be stored until a buyer can be found or other leases agreed.


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Thanks for the info Ejazz.


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User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Given the current low load factors, I would have thought that the smaller A310 would have been a suitable aircraft to fly on many Aisan routes. If 777s are used instead of the A310s, wouldn't that be a lot of extra capacity?


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User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Hkg_clk:

Yes, but getting rid of one aircraft type means that a whole lot of costs are gotten rid of. For example:
- SIA will no longer need to purchase spares for A310s, and it can liquidate its current inventory of spares (most of which are fully depreciated anyway, so SIA may well make an accounting profit from the sales)
- It gets rid of one administrative department.
- There will be savings on training and re-training costs.
- There will be less operational hassles.
Etc etc.

I need to run off now - no time to think or list other cost savings. All in all I think the pros of retiring the A310 fleet early - even in this current climate - outweigh the cons.


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

That is sad news , I gonna miss the SQ A310 . That plane has definately been a great servant to the airline .


Salute to the old bird !!

Charles



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User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Yes, this is rather sad news. I was pleased to travel on STA and STW recently, in economy and first class respectively.

However, I believe most passengers dislike this aircraft as it does not have the updated IFE.

With the A340s also out of service from 1 July (if not sooner given current events), SQ will only operate the 747 and 777, at least until the 345s arrive.

MD


User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Where will the last flight be to for the A310s? Any ideas at the moment?

User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Ejazz....

Do you know what is happening to the 310 pilots...?


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Hooray!

A good move I say!

In addition, we must remember that the 777 is much much more efficient than the A310-300.

The 'embarassment' of the Singapore Airlines fleet is to depart! Yay!

However, let us remember the work that they have provided during the 1990s when they looked good.

Thank you 3TEN.



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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

"In addition, we must remember that the 777 is much much more efficient than the A310-300"

In whatever way when they can't even fill up the A310s now? I thought the A310s will help SIA save a bit during this crisis.

And the A310s are never and will not be an embarassment... oh come on they are some really good planes!  Crying



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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Oh my goodness, since when were they ever 'embarassments' to the SIA fleet - when we must remember that they ARE the workhorses in the SIA fleet flying all the short hops around the region.

In fact, let's remember that SIA are not particularly happy about sending their BRAND-NEW Boeing 777s to regional destinations.

This is no way to send off a plane that has been the workhorse of the SIA fleet for almost 20 years now! Let's pay a tribute to this great little aircraft!

Tribute to SIA A310 : 1984 - Present


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Well, SIA made them an embarassment by not fitting KrisWorld in all classes and WISEMEN in the front. So it's really self-inflicted.

777 or A310. An informed person would obviously choose the latter.

But yes, I totally agree that this is no way to send off a plane that has worked so hard for the airline.

Let us rejoice in the profits that it has given us and hope that they go to a safe home.


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Also looking back, they do like cute and elegant don't they. Big grin



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Actually, isn't the JUBILEE a bit too big at the moment for certain places? Unless consolidation takes place and SIA cancels some flights and rebooks everyone onto a profitable JUBILEE flight.


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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

You can be rest assured that SIA will try their utmost not to let that happen as business travellers value the frequency and the widebodied plane. Most likely, when the travel climate improves, my guess is that SIA will go shopping for new aircraft again. And it will be a widebodied aircraft that is smaller than the Boeing 777 at the moment.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Well they did issue an RFP earlier in 2003 or something although consideration for any new aircraft in the 200 - 250 widebody range has been deferred for obvious reasons.

Question is, will Airbus and Boeing provide one fast enough?



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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

There already is a suitable candidate - it is just a matter of whether it is adequately suitable for SIA.

It comes in the form of the A-Three-Thirty-Two-Hundred.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

The A332? Hmmm.

It isn't suitable for some reason and I've forgotten why. The A335 is OK but the A332 isn't. I might do a search when I'm free later today.



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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

We must remember that although it may not be suitable, it is probably, THE most suitable candidate around - that is if SIA does not want to send it's 777s on regional hops, it does not want narrowbody replacements and that it does not want to transfer those routes to SilkAir.

User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Hope they will never get that plane. Too many airbus in SIA's fleet already. :S


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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Who knows, SIA might offload some of the regional destinations to SilkAir (MI) until the situation improves in the future? That is a solution i can think of for the moment. However, I wonder if MI can support the move with her small fleet of A320s.

That said and done, and nostalgia aside, I am not really a fan of the A310. I have flown it in all classes and found the amenities to be really bare. Probably unfair to compare the A310 to her bigger mates in SIA's fleet since she flies only regional routes. I think of those days when the A310 flew further afield before the arrival of the 777s and shudder at the tought of being stuck in that cabin. Imagine paying a premium price for a SQ tix to Adelaide or Perth and... voila!- you get the A310 with no PTV, manual footrests (urgh!) ...

So yes, here closes another chapter in SQ's history and lets look forward to better days.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Well all I can say is that I'm glad I flew the A310 in January 2003.

In addition, here closes the chapter on toilets with water in them when you enter. Unless the Celestar uses the same system as the 3TENs.



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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Singapore_Air,

No, the A340s use the vacuum flush system, if I am not mistaken that is. The last time i was on an A340 was in 2000! Haha, so three years have passed since then...

TTT,

A lot of Airbusss?? Are you sure? If the A310s go in June and the A340s in July, they will not be flying any Airbuses from July till December, when the A340-500s come in. And even then, it's only like 5 in a 90-odd strong fleet of Boeing 747s and 777s.

I think too many 777s already, should start trading some in for A332s. :P


User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

WL - The no. of A340-300s left in the fleet is already too many.... We need to cut down on our Airbi. Maybe some MD-11s would do justice Big grin


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25 Post contains images Singapore_Air : Tsentsan?
26 Post contains images Singapore 777 : Hahaha, only about 5...yeah that's too many. Later, all the B777s get eaten up then that isn't too good news is it? :P Let's see...How many Boeings do
27 Post contains images Tsentsan : S_Air, That looks good when u put in the wings and have it doing a super powerful takeoff, that would look very nice Wooohooooooooo...... Of cos I'm d
28 9V-SVA : According to SIA Outlook staff magazine for April 2003, the A310 was scheduled to be withdrawn from service in November/December 2003, and a tribute w
29 StarG : 9V-SVA, How can I get a subscription for OUTLOOK if I am not a staff? Have been trying to get it. Thanks. StarG
30 Post contains images Airbus Lover : Which exact flight will be the last flight? Anyone knows? I might try to go on the A310 of SQ one last time before they leave Sad, very sad indeed...
31 Mr.BA : I think it's still too early to have the schedule of which flight will the A310 last fly for the moment as yet, we'll see.
32 Ex_SQer : Singapore777 - You missed out the freighters in your census of SIA Boeings. The 332 has been evaluated and it still continues to be evaluated (Oh, and
33 Hugo : I remember flying the 310's on several occassions from SIN to BKK, SGN, MNL v.v.; I flew STP, STR, STW, and perhaps another one. I believe I flew STP
34 Ex_SQer : STP ("Shoot the Pakistanis" - no offense meant, please don't flame me for this) was hijacked.
35 Mas777 : Any ideas which flight it will be operating - my guess would be one of the Shuttle flights from KUL.
36 777236ER : 777 or A310. An informed person would obviously choose the latter. I think you mean "former" genius....
37 Singapore_Air : Of course you would choose the A310 over the 777. Why not?! Anyway, humour aside, what an embarassing mistake. I did indeed mean 'former' and not 'lat
38 777236ER : and I hope to serve you better in the future. Woah, easy there. I'm not KROC.
39 Post contains images LV : Guess we know where the next batch of FedEx planes are coming from .
40 QantasAirways : It's good to hear that SQ has finally decided to retire them. Yes, they were good, but S_Air is right, they are a little bit of an embarassment. Regar
41 SQ772 : Just received this month's OUTLOOK and as SVA mentioned, they featured the last batch of A310 pilots. Now what are they going to do with this batch of
42 Hailstone : singapore 777 you have forgotten about a dozen 744's - the 'fox' series.....
43 Post contains images Je89_w : Were will they fly after being retired? Sad news! Jerrold
44 Mas777 : Just thought - I think I've only been on one SQ A310. Most of my flights were with their 727 'Hi-Tails' and then their 757s for many, many years. A bi
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