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The Shame Of The Friendly Skies  
User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

In a book, which is about to come out about United Airlines, called The Shame of the Friendly Skies, author Paul H. Weaver alleges that former ALPA chairman Rick (Maddog) Dubinsky engaged in blackmail, if not extortion, to force the board of directors to approve the sale of United Airlines to the pilot's union as an ESOP.

An advanced except of the book has been released on the Chicago Sun Times website:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/business/cst-fin-united13.html

The author of the book paints an ugly picture of Rick Dubinsky as he battled against the AFA, the IAM and the BOD / LFBD), France">BOD of United Airlines to buy the airline on behalf of the pilots ever since 1987.

The book also alleges that Dubinsky extorted the BOD / LFBD), France">BOD to authorize a 40 million dollar cash payment to a shell corporation own by members of the ALPA leadership which, the book alleges, was viewed by the BOD / LFBD), France">BOD as a possible felony.

The book provides insight into how United Airlines was plagued by "a history of mismanagement, blind greed and hatred that characterized labor and management during United's history."

I wonder who will get the TV rights?

[Edited 2003-04-14 08:48:16]

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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

This topic has come up at diiner many times, about dubinsky. All the pilots have had the pleasure to talk with on this topic despised the man, we was evil.
when rumors were going around that we was to inherit the throne from Goodwin that it will or would have been the biggest mistake the airline could have made.
I dont know much of the man, I hear he was bad.
then came Creighton.

ual 777 contrail


User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

You know, I really hate the new acronym additions made by A.Net. Here is my post again; in a more readable form:

In a book, which is about to come out about United Airlines, called The Shame of the Friendly Skies, author Paul H. Weaver alleges that former ALPA chairman Rick (Maddog) Dubinsky engaged in blackmail, if not extortion, to force the Board of Directors to approve the sale of United Airlines to the pilot's union as an ESOP.

An advanced except of the book has been released on the Chicago Sun Times website:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/business/cst-fin-united13.html

The author of the book paints an ugly picture of Rick Dubinsky as he battled against the AFA, the IAM and the Board to buy the airline on behalf of the pilots ever since 1987.

The book also alleges that Dubinsky extorted the Board to authorize a 40 million dollar cash payment to a shell corporation own by members of the ALPA leadership which, the book alleges, was viewed by the Board as a possible felony.

The book provides insight into how United Airlines was plagued by "a history of mismanagement, blind greed and hatred that characterized labor and management during United's history."

I wonder who will get the TV rights?


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

The word "total bastard" comes to mind... I knew Mad Dog was bad, but not THIS rabid.

I want him to be indicted in a criminal court.


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

The pity of the title is that it make UA sound like the bad guy and NOT Dubinsky.

WHile UA's mismanagement may be true if the book focus's on Dubinsky and his leadership of ALPA then the title gives the wrong impression and it shouls be something like "the Rape of the Friendly Skies"

If I ever meet Dubinsky those of you who haven't met him won't get a chance. Thats not a threat thats a promise.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Sounds like shades of Frank Lorenzo albeit for slightly different reasons.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

UALPHLCS

>>>If I ever meet Dubinsky those of you who haven't met him won't get a chance. Thats not a threat thats a promise.

I can fully understand that there's a lot of raw emotionalism on the overall subject, but your making a statement like the one you did is just plain dumb.

You've made a death threat against another person, and that entails possible legal consequences for you.

I suggest that you ask the moderator to delete this entire thread.


User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5232 times:

Yep, management "never" reads these boards....lol.

I wonder how many UAL gate agents from Philadelphia who are male, 26-35, and like the civil war decided to non-rev on to the west coast on 15 March. More specifically on ship #4656 in F.

Probably not a real good idea to use the world-wide-web to convey a threat. Even if it is meant in jest, UAL management may not see it that way.


User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5199 times:

BTW, I would not put much stock into what Paul Weaver writes...he is pretty sensationalistic (e.g. "News and the Culture of Lying" and "The Suicidal Corporation").

Many CEOs are fairly flamboyant, and Dubinsky is no exception. However there will probably be a libel suit (mentioning the word extortion) coming out of this.


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5183 times:

Dubinsky was never UAL's CEO. Thank God for that. He pulled more Machievellian moves than anyone alive to try to become Chairman but never succeeded.

My personal opinions are my own. I could care less of what someone thinks of what I may do to "Mad Dog."

I don't know the guy, never met him. He could walk up to me tomorrow and say hi and until I see his ID, I would not know or care who he is.

But IF I ever meet him, I will not be a UA employee when I get through. I like my job but it would be worth it. At the very least he will end up with a face full of my spit.

That Guy doesn't know or care about me. It should be obvious from his professional history he doesn't care about anybody but himself. He certainly dosen't care about 1 piss off CS agent. He lives in his own world and my like or dislike of him is inconsequental to him.

So don't try to scare me with your nonsense about them tracking me down.



User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

I suggest that you ask the moderator to delete this entire thread.

Why? What is there about this topic that bothers you?

I would not put much stock into what Paul Weaver writes

The story in the Sun-Times was in 2 parts. The other part was released today:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/business/cst-fin-united14.html

Given the level of detail in his account of events, I would say he must have talked to people who were there and witnessed these things.

Mad dog rubbed too many people the wrong way. The failure of the ESOP cost many people a great deal of money. I would not be surprised to see some of these people show a willingness to talk. Remember, this is only part of his book. Who knows what secrets lay in the rest of it?

Not all pilots liked Dubinsky either. Some saw him as the danger he was; people didn’t call him Mad dog for nothing. Those pilots were quickly browbeaten by other pilots who were seduced by Dubinsky’s vision of dollar signs.

Don’t forget, it was Mad dog who engineered the infamous “Summer from Hell” during the summer of 2000. The book alleges that Dubinsky threatened to reduce pilot hours during Thanksgiving of 89 if the Board didn’t give in to his demands. Mad dog used this same form of blackmail during negotiations for a new pilot contract in 2000. During the negotiations, he threatened to stop pilots from volunteering to fly overtime hours if United didn’t agree to a hefty pay raise. United had built their schedule around anticipated amounts of overtime flying. If the pilots stopped volunteering for overtime, the summer schedule would be devastated. Dubinsky believed he had United over a barrel again.

This time, however, United didn’t capitulate. They stood their ground during negotiations. Dubinsky upped the ante by having the pilots clog up the works with unnecessary write ups, slow taxi times, ship refusals, etc. The resulting chaos brought United to its knees. Who can forget Mad dog’s famous quote when asked about how his tactics might kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

He said he didn’t want to kill the goose; he just wanted to choke it until it gave “every last egg.”

I plan on buying this book.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

>>>>>>I suggest that you ask the moderator to delete this entire thread.

>>>Why? What is there about this topic that bothers you?

The topic itself doesn't bother me, per se. I just suggested deletion of the thread. Why? Because UALPHLCS's making the statements "If I ever meet Dubinsky those of you who haven't met him won't get a chance. Thats not a threat thats a promise." has legal consequences for himself, as well as the operator of this system.

As TT737FO also chimed in, "Probably not a real good idea to use the world-wide-web to convey a threat. Even if it is meant in jest, UAL management may not see it that way"

Myself and TT737FO were both just trying to point this out, and I was trying to eliminate this thread from being used against him and a.net. UALPHLCS obviously doesn't see things this way, and/or care, which is, of course, his right. If consequences -do- materialize, he'll be responsible for them.

That's it...






User currently offlineEWR757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 360 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4930 times:


He said he didn’t want to kill the goose; he just wanted to choke it until it gave “every last egg.”

When Unite fails, this will go down in airline history as one of the most prophetic statements ever made


User currently offlinePmcdonald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Is this guy Dubinsky still around???

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Last I heard, I was a captain on 744s?

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

D'oh - I meant HE was a captain on 744s (wishful thinking there, just for a moment!!!)

And before anyone asks, no I'm NOT him!

(oooh, the feel of cold sweat!)


User currently offlineSpeedport From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Is this guy Dubinsky still around???

Not sure.

ALPA has a limit on the number of consecutive terms a person can serve as chairman. When Mad dog's term was up, he failed to get the 2/3 vote necessary to allow him to run again.

I'm not really sure if he went back to flying from there. However, I don't believe he is with United presently.

BTW, there have been rumors for years regarding the incident of the 2 checks. I guess they may have been true after all.


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4586 times:

Day 1 after making my comments:

Mad Dog hasn't come to get me.

Not a single manager has come to see me.

I think it wold be intersting to find out what Dubinsky is doing these days. After leaving the Board of Directors he has not surfaced yet.

It would be interesting to see what company would hire the guy. but I seriously doubt he NEEDS to work any more. He's probably got money socked away from deals.


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