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Could ACA Be Pulling Out Of UA's Contract?  
User currently offlineAerMickey From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 85 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

A rumor has been circulating around the network of UA's express carriers that ACA is going to discontinue their service and continue to focus on the services that are being provided with Delta. A friend of mine who works in crew scheduling for ACA told me that they are creating their own ticketing software, and I already know that they are trying to put a hold on the future CRJ's that they are about to recieve.

I hope this is true, because their service for United is in a dire need of being reorganized to match those of Air Wisconsin and Skywest.


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User currently offlineBeltwayBandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

ACA has to be prepared to operate without UAL simply because there is always a chance that UAL disappears, or is restructured in a way that leaves ACA in the cold. Focusing on Delta is a good idea, but does Delta need more RJ capacity?

The idea of ACA creating their own ticketing software is either wrong or folly. ACA needs a full reservations system in order to go into retail sales to you and me. That's a huge undertaking and not something you do with a geek in a back room.

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Actually it UA who is not sure if it will ask the judge to discontinue ACA's contract. The terrible record ACA has racked up has hurt UA, and they have so far refused to renegotiate thier contract. UA may let them go, which is why they are not purchasing CRJ's for UA.

IMO good riddance. If ACA system wide is as bad as they are in PHL, lets get a better contractor.

User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Although ACA has a horrible reputation on the east coast for customer service and on-time performance, the real reason UA doesn't want to renue contracts is the possibility to get a lower cost regional like Mesa or Trans States to take their place. ACA employees can thank Mesa in particular, who's employees seem happy with working for Wal-Mart wages.

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

ACA used to operate our own Res system and was seeling on a business level to companies. UA has a great system overall there are just few cities that need work. If ACA does pull out of the UAX system then UA will suffer tremendously considering ACA operates over 500 flights alone in the UAX system. I will talk to some of my friends that still work at ACA and find out the scoop.

I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 8139 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

ACA is just trying to cover their a$$ in the event of a UA collaspe or a pullout of IAD. They could operate on their own, to some extend, still operating a hub out of IAD with CRJ's & J41's.

Its not ACA overall that is the problem, its operations at the hub cities, IAD & ORD that mess up operations system-wide. We can get out flights ontime, make 10 minute turns, you name it. I truly don't know how they function down there, but we get just as frustrated as the passengers do.

ACA is currently making cuts, they have a hiring freeze and are cutting 300+ jobs. I'm waiting to get my notice any day now, lol. They are likely going to be defering some CRJ deliveries for 2003 and 2004. The turboprop retirement schedule is being re-evaluated. Everything is up in the air because the 2003 rates that ACA gets paid for by United have yet to be settled, mainly due to bankruptcy proceedings. We are still getting revenue at the 2002 rates. Everything is up in the air due to United's Ch.11 filing. We do not know what the judge will want or demand that United will make. We also got screwed when Fairchild-Dornier with the 328JET when they went bankrupt. ACA is just trying to be able to have options on the table.

Bring in Mesa, or Trans-State? Not likely at all, much easier said than done at this point in time. We can't just serve DL only without having to make huge capacity cuts.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4675 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

I'm sure if ACA leaves UA...it'll end up being the 13th or whatever we are up to, US Airways Express carrier. Start outsourcing the props and then dissolve the WOs - if not just sell them off to someone like ACA.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

If ACA leaves UA then what other airline will they go to. I'm sure ACA Delta Connection could expand more from BOS and CVG but will they need the number of planes and man power ACA currently operates for UA?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 8139 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

I don't see ACA leaving United on their own will, only if Unite gets rid of us. The answer is no, DL does not need all of ACA. They have more than enough tied up with their other Connection providers too. They might want some of us but not all. I don't see this scenario developing unless UA goes Ch. 7. If United gets rid of us, they are basically closing up their IAD hub and also losing a large chunk of feed at ORD. Who else would they pick up?? You can't just find 70 some CRJ's out of nowhere?

Part of the operations problem is the whole operations set up, both at ORD and IAD. UA treats ACA like the redheaded step-child at ORD, sticking us out on Concourse F. As for IAD, well, IAD just isn't a good hub airport. We were severely understaffed for a while, now the main problem is weather. If it spits anywhere in the Northeast, IAD ops go to hell in a handbasket.

User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

I doubt the J41s would get anywhere, but with United gone, or even just their feeder into the smaller east coast cities served from IAD, the regional capacity on USAirways and Delta would need to be increased somewhat... I can definitely see Delta contracting ACA for CRJ service to some locations.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 79
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Turns out ACA operates a Do328JET as a dedicated shuttle for my company.... I was a bit amazed to find out about it.

It operates from IAD to Teterboro.


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