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Branson To Fight For Concorde!  
User currently offlineMonarch From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 362 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4204 times:

BBC NEWS:

Branson to fight for Concorde


Sir Richard Branson has told the BBC that Virgin Atlantic may seek government help if British Airways does not allow it to operate Concorde.
Last week, Sir Richard offered to buy the supersonic planes from British Airways for £1 after BA said it would be retiring the planes later this year.

Passenger numbers have never recovered since Concorde's crash near Paris in 2000 and the aircraft is unprofitable.

But Sir Richard said Virgin Atlantic would be able to operate the plane because the carrier is more efficient than BA.

Supersonic plea

"We would very much like to fly Concorde," Sir Richard told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

"Since Concorde was built by the British taxpayer at the cost of some billions of pounds and given to British Airways for one pound, if there is a carrier such as Virgin Atlantic with a lower cost base and willing to operate it, we believe British Airways... ought to hand the planes over to Virgin Atlantic."

Sir Richard said BA should not be mothballing the planes when they still had several years flying life left in them.

"I've written to British Airways and asked them if they will give us the planes rather than giving the planes to a museum.

"At the moment I've had a negative response and so I think our next move will be to go to the government... and ask them if they can intervene on our behalf."

The situation is now getting interesting! Your comments please...

Regards

Monarch


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4162 times:

A cheap and bullying loudmouth PR stunt... Branson demands a package of the planes and the check in lounge and slots for one GBP, a totally unreasonable request. BA invested millions in these, in the original Concorde program itself, quite reasonable then they handed out the unsold Concordes to the two loyal sponsors Air France and BA, and again BA invested millions in the upgrade program after the grounding. Without Concorde, the pax will mainly fly BA first class.
How much I'd like to see Concorde continue to fly, if Branson really has guts, he should account the actual current value of the Concordes, the slots, the lounge and the opportunity costs of loosing pax for BA, and name a reasonable offer. But I'm sure he shouldn't know what to do if BA turned the tables on him and say "OK, you can have them for free if you guarantee to fly them to JFK daily till 2007"



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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4123 times:

Since it is my understanding, that when BAC and SUD Aviation built Concorde (not specifically British Airways and Air France, but their GOVERNMENTS), they did so with British and French government backing and, in the government agreement with BA at that time (and BA was a state-run airline then), if BA ever dropped these aircraft from their fleet, they could be offered to another carrier at the same price BA paid for them 1 Pound Sterling each. BA was quick to take that offer and agree to those terms, now, it would appear that Sir Richard Branson has a valid contractual point. I think what this really boils down to is BA doesn't want to see "their" flagship go into the hands of Virgin Atlantic - there's definitely no love lost between the two carriers anyway. Go, Sir Richard!

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User currently offlineCaptcjmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4111 times:

Branson is a marketing genius and getting a Concorde in the VA fleet after the widely publicized retirement of the Concorde would be the biggest marketing stunt he has ever pulled off. Even though it is probably unlikely that he would receive one, I certainly would not count him out. Virgin Atlantic has done amazing things to the airline industry not only in Europe but all over the world. I really hope they do get a Concorde cause I want to continue to see it fly. Good luck Richard!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4102 times:
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As far as I'm aware, the various modifications needed amount to some £40 million, so it's not just a question of buying the aircraft for £1! He'd need to get some serious usage out Concorde operations for him to make profits (and wouldn't he need to employ the entire Concorde engineering department at BA as well?).

David

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User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1873 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4093 times:

I hope Branson will be able to keep Concorde flying.
And even a 1 GBP deal could be good for BA by signing a contract with Virgin for crew training and maintenance.
Concorde Mx specialists are only at BA and AF. Virgin does not have the skills nor the tools.
It gives BA 2 options: transfer all the maintenance people, or contract them.
Teva



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User currently offlineHoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4028 times:
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I hope to see the Concorde flying for many many years, Branson to the rescue!!

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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Just another classic Branson publicity stunt...


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User currently offlineANA777master From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Why are his lips always so red?

User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

If he was serious, he'd contact Air France as well as BA. After all, they are twice as likely to be willing to sell their planes...

But as he wants all the goodies along with the planes (slots, lounges, and who-knows-what-else), he's basically just fooling around and grabbing press attention.

I'd love to see Concorde in Virgin livery. But I doubt it's gonna happen, ever. (Unless he pays a museum to repaint the plane in Virgin Atlantic colours)


User currently offlineBeltwayBandit From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

That almost guarantees that they'll end up in a museum. If BA and AF want to keep them out of circulation, they can get a nice write-off by donating them.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

In other news today, the ANET flying B762 plan was announced to an exuberant crowd outside Kingston cinema.

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Sounds like Mr. Branson is looking for some more free publicity.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

BA bought TWO aircraft for £1, and paid dearly in terms of actual price and maintence for the others.

If Branson really wants to set up his own Concorde maintence facility, let him try. Maybe BA should call his bluff and see what happens...

Like it or not, the Concorde's are owned by BA.


User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

So was that Kingston Jamaica or Kingston Surrey......?!



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User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

here we go! Ding! Round One!


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

LOL gotta be Kingston-upon-Thames.
The write-down costs for retiring Concorde are like 80M GBP.Perhaps they could pass this indirectly onto Branson before he realises that he is swallowed too much.


User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Great! Must make sure I buy the local paper tomorrow to get all the details!


Matt



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User currently offlineANA777master From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

"Perhaps they could pass this indirectly onto Branson before he realises that he has swallowed too much".
Perhaps this is why his lips are so red.


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3432 times:


Well BA can do it and still get something out of giving him the concorde. Cant they write a contract were BA can get x amount of hours of aircraft useage? Just a question.

As I said in other threads Branson could make a mint on the LHR BGI route alone.



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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Great news! They should do like a share where VS and BA both chip in and help pay the running costs.

DC-10


User currently offlineVr-hkg From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Never going to happen, this is nothing more than a cheap publicity stunt. Branson gets to suggest that he's "saving" a "British institution" that he has no intention of saving, and be the big hero whose airline you must support.

He knows BA would scrap the planes before they'd let him have them, and even if by some miracle they called his bluff he'd find some reason why he was unable to fly them - then paint it as BA's fault.


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

They could always offer him the as-yet-unmodified Concordes for GBP 1 each...  Big grin see whether he takes them... after all, they didn't get them with Kevlar either for a pound

User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1995 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

What Branson is trying to do is to win prestige for his airline. In other words, even if Virgin loses money operating the Concorde, the plane would generate much other revenue on his 747s and A340s. In the same manner, car companies build a limited-edition sports car, which while losing money on its own adds prestige for all the carmaker's other models. It's about advertising. In Virgin's case, though, Branson's publicity is a big part of the airline's corporate identity.

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

This is very good for Branson because it is FREE advertising for the airline and indeed the Virgin brand itself. In addition, Concorde is a very well-respected aircraft, and one that everyone can instantly recognise. Accordingly, and in addition to many more reasons, such publicity will undoubtedly be extremely good for him and his firm.


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25 Post contains links GDB : I guess that like most airlines VS must be in trouble for Branson to carry on with this nonsense, he gets away with it due to the ignorance of much of
26 Pe@rson : Forgot to add - because people generally feel very strongly toward Concorde, any attempts for it to fly again will probably be looked upon very favour
27 Arsenal@LHR : If Virgin wanted the Concordes, Branson would also have to take over and run the maintenance facilities + Concorde staff, as we know, maintaining Conc
28 Gigneil : Branson does have almost unlimited access to capital. If he REALLY wants to do this, don't doubt that he can. I'm not British, but, if I were, I would
29 GDB : Hard to think of any uses, destinations, that BA did not try in 27 years. The only profitable routes were to and from JFK and BGI, yes charters were g
30 V1-Rotate : GDB, Wise words as usual. Let's stop wetting our pants folks,it 'aint gonna happen...you ALL know it, if you really think about it.HE DOESN'T HAVE THE
31 William : If Branson goes the next step,and approach the UK government,then we will know he is serious. I would not put it past Branson being able to make a pro
32 Dc10guy : In 1984 Fedex was looking at buying the Concordes for cargo service .....
33 Post contains links and images Kramri : I've heard that BA wants the Concorde retired so that a legacy ends with some sort of exclusivity. I think that as long as the birds are air worthy, a
34 Cloudy : If Branson is serious about this, my guess is he wants to run the Concord for a short time untill the media attention died down a bit. Then he would u
35 GDB : How many more times do some of you going to have to be told? IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! That 'SIA' Concorde was BA A/C G-BOAD, BA flight crew, BA main
36 Ikarus : If he went to the government.... and if he were successful.... How would he do it? Contrary to popular belief, Virgin Atlantic isn't swimming in cash.
37 777236ER : It's not a question of how Branson will do it, this is a publicity stunt. Do people not understand this? Talk of buying the Concordes for £1 is insan
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