BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2844 times:
This question is aimed at those who know more about AirTran than I do. I have, since Feb 2003, flown on 2 of the 717-231 aircraft, and they had the TWA coach seats, but the Biz Class seats were TWA Leather, with Fabric strung out on them. My question is Are these planes going to be retrofitted with AirTran interiors, or are they going to keep them how they are?
If they are going to retrofit these planes, is there a scheduled date when this is supposed to occur?
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2750 times:
No -
It was a package deal, and AirTran never spends more money than it has to. Besides, those interiors are nicer than the standard AirTran interior...and most pax would never notice the difference....
747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2699 times:
They will refit the interior as soon as someone can get to a junkyard near JFK / KJFK), USA - New York">JFK and rips ome seats out of some old wrecked Checker cabs... Since THY has no more clapped out DC-9's to sell.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5342 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2677 times:
Boy, those interiors sure were nice. I thought TWA's 717's were some of the most comfortable narrowbodies I had flown in. And rumor has it that AirTran's seats are... cheap.
M717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2662 times:
AirTran -- profitable
TWA -- bankrupt
AA -- on the brink
Gr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1583 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
The AirTran Business Class seats are wider and much more comfortable than the former TWA seats. The AirTran Coach seats are also more comfortable. However, the TWA seats do seem to be of higher quality and will probably last longer. The AirTran tray-tables, in particular, are already quite troublesome. BTW, ther was nothing wrong with the old THY seats.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2629 times:
Don't get me wrong guys, I love the TWA seats. I like them better than the AirTran seats. I was hoping they wouldn't change them. That is what I was asking.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2624 times:
They will refit the interior as soon as someone can get to a junkyard near JFK / KJFK), USA - New York">JFK and rips ome seats out of some old wrecked Checker cabs... Since THY has no more clapped out DC-9's to sell.
Rumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 351 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
The question should be what seats are they going to have on those Ryan A320s, business class and coach.
Hopefully they will be comfortable for those long flights.
747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
They will refit the interior as soon as someone can get to a junkyard near and rips ome seats out of some old wrecked Checker cabs... Since THY has no more clapped out DC-9's to sell.
AirTran's previous incarnation, the disgusting Value Jet, purchased a few run out DC-9's and a bunch of worn out engins from THY and one of those engines were implicated in an accident where there was a fire, and injuries in ATL in 1996. Since "value" (doing stuff on the "cheaP") permiated VJ, it appears that discipline continues since they didn't refurbish the 717-231's in their own specification .
M717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2509 times:
747-451,
Yep. You make a lot of sense. That's what I would do. Spend more money to replace a nicer interior. Money is being spent to bring the aircraft operationally to AirTran's specs, which is where it really matters. But, thanks for your continued concern. Things are moving along here quite nicely without you, however.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5342 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2465 times:
Dude, M717, I don't think anyone here is bashing AirTran. The rumor was that their seats were rather cheap, and in looking at cabin photos, they certainly look... of an earlier design than today's modern coach seats. I am not talking fabric, I am talking contour.
I suspect AirTran would be doing quite nicely without yourself as well.
It is FACT that they got those planes and engines from THY. Are you arguing that? Didn't think so. It is also FACT that the NTSB implicated the engines in the fire. Are you arguing that? Citing fact is not bashing an airline. And, as you so correctly point out, AirTran is doing fine. They don't need defense.
I think they should keep the classy TWA interiors. But then, I think TWA should still be in the air.
Also, what on earth did you mean by pointing out the following:
AirTran -- profitable
TWA -- bankrupt
AA -- on the brink
You do the math. Call it whatever you like.
Call what whatever we like? What does AA have to do with TWA or AirTran?
Maybe I am on drugs and don't know it, because I sure can't figure out where this topic ended up.
To restate my opinion, I think Tranny should keep the TWA interiors... why spend the extra bucks to swap perfectly good for perfectly good?
M717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2436 times:
AA737-823,
747-451 was, has and will continue to "bash" AirTran, and my comments were directed at him. So, I'll leave it at that.
And I wish F9 (Frontier) good luck, also.
I wish the posters on this board good luck, also. I think I'll be taking my leave, now. I understand why few pilots post here. I think de727ups said it best. At any rate, y'all have fun now, ya hear.
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2402 times:
747-451 must be some bitter, cynical furloughed pilot that can't stand the fact that his airline is shrinking and AirTran is profitable, successful and growing. Let ValuJet go, dude! That was SEVEN years ago.... this is the wave of the future... if you don't like it...get out a line...there's plenty behind ya ready to spend the cash..
747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2331 times:
I'm not a pilot, nor work for Northwest. I am pleased that AirTran is doing well.
However, ValuJet has had several problems in the past, including the 1996 Atlanta fire which was on a plane equipped with materials from THY. That isn't bashing, it's a fact; and as a consumer I have a right to critique an airline that has a past that has been under FAA scrutiny; regardless of name change or merger.Too bad back then they didn't see fit to ensure "Money is being spent to bring the aircraft operationally to AirTran's specs, which is where it really matters"....again, not bashing--but being circumspect.
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
However, ValuJet has had several problems in the past, including the 1996 Atlanta fire which was on a plane equipped with materials from THY. That isn't bashing, it's a fact; and as a consumer I have a right to critique an airline that has a past that has been under FAA scrutiny; regardless of name change or merger.
So in other words, you are completely ignorant of the airline industry? Thanks for sharing! Run an NTSB search, man....you'll find a lot more FAA "investigative scrutiny" than just AirTran. I'm so sick of you people that think you know something about aviation and toss your fly-brain knowledge around like it's the gospel. Turn off CNN dude, and read a book.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
Travatl, you are correct. In fact the uncontained engine failure (which Delta has had many many many) was a result of a TURKISH maintained engine. I am 100% positive that if Valujet knew how badly THY had maintained that engine, they would not have installed it. BTW -- The uncontained engine failure happened on June 8, 1995 Uncontained engine failures happen. it is something we can prevent, but nevertheless it happens. It didn't just happen on Valujet. Remember the Delta incident in PNS that KILLED 2 people? (I think 2).
Valujet made some mistakes, they have learned from their mistakes. Let's rest it at that.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5342 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2220 times:
Uncontained failure certainly do happen, and it is often tragic when those things occur.
However.... "If Valujet knew how badly THY had maintained that engine, they would not have installed it."
Isn't it their responsibility, BR715, to know what they are putting on their planes? Your statement is, I think, even more incriminating than any other. It's like saying they were ignorant of what they had in the air. It cost people their lives, and it cost Valujet their airplane.
I don't go out and buy a used car without having a mechanic look over it. I want to know as much as possible before I get in and drive away.
Travis... I don't know, I can't speak for 747-451. But he has a point. It happened. Just like flight 592 happened. People weren't being responsible. And it marred their reputation.
Maybe I am too PC (didn't think I would ever hear myself say that, as I am not that PC to begin with) but I don't think it's allright for one of us to insinuate that any other of us doesn't know anything about aviation. I myself have a lot to learn...
I like AirTran. I think the 717 is a magnificent plane. I have only flown it with TeeDub, but a 717 is a 717. I hope AirTran has many years of great service from them. I might fly them this summer, if the pricing is right. I hope I can get on a -231... although what is the likelihood of getting one out of DFW???
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
First - the engine failure was actually on an ex-Delta aircraft, not an ex-THY airplane.
And yes, even as a loyal, faithful, employee...... I will admit that although flight 592' ACCIDENT WAS NOT IN ANY WAY A DIRECT CAUSE OF THE VALUJET OPERATION, our operation was slipshod enough at the time to have contributed to an "injury accident". ValuJet was great, I had a great time being a part of it... but don't think for a minute that the airline was intentionally running an unsafe operation. It wasn't....
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1996 times:
Travatl, I know Valujet wasn't INTENTIONALLY running an unsafe operation. (even if that wasn't directed at me) Lewis Jordan was really saddened when 592 crashed. I wish I would have had the chance to fly on them. Unfortunately I didn't know much about them until I was in school on May 13, 1996. You say it was great, I believe you. I have witnessed the same spunk you talk about in many AirTran employees. Even as a Loyal, Faithful, flyer, I will also admit that AirTran is not the BEST airline in the world, but they sure make me happy when I fly them, and they provide the cheapest fare to Atlanta when I go, on New planes, so I think I will take this opportunity, and fly. I hope maybe one day you are my flight attendant, and I can watch you work.
25 747-451: Travatl; "I am 100% positive that if Valujet knew how badly THY had maintained that engine, they would not have installed it" According the the NTSB r
26 Srbmod: The main problem that Valujet had at the time of 592 was that they grew so fast (they went from 3 planes in Oct of 1993 to well over 50+ in less than
27 BR715-A1-30: Srbmod. You hit the nail on the head so hard I saw a spark fly from it. Thanks for that. You answered a question of mine before I even asked it.
28 747-451: SBRMOD; Excellent clarifiactions on 592, the THY affair and the quick expansion issues! -451
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