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Will AirTran Retrofit The 717-231 Aircraft  
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

This question is aimed at those who know more about AirTran than I do. I have, since Feb 2003, flown on 2 of the 717-231 aircraft, and they had the TWA coach seats, but the Biz Class seats were TWA Leather, with Fabric strung out on them. My question is Are these planes going to be retrofitted with AirTran interiors, or are they going to keep them how they are?

If they are going to retrofit these planes, is there a scheduled date when this is supposed to occur?

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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

No.
uhhh...no.

Ryan




User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

AND WHY NOT!?!?!?!?  Big grin  Big grin

LOL!


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

No -

It was a package deal, and AirTran never spends more money than it has to. Besides, those interiors are nicer than the standard AirTran interior...and most pax would never notice the difference....

Travis


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

They will refit the interior as soon as someone can get to a junkyard near JFK / KJFK), USA - New York">JFK and rips ome seats out of some old wrecked Checker cabs... Since THY has no more clapped out DC-9's to sell.

[Edited 2003-04-17 17:34:07]

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

Boy, those interiors sure were nice. I thought TWA's 717's were some of the most comfortable narrowbodies I had flown in. And rumor has it that AirTran's seats are... cheap.

R


User currently offlineM717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

AirTran -- profitable
TWA -- bankrupt
AA -- on the brink

You do the math. Call it whatever you like.


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

The AirTran Business Class seats are wider and much more comfortable than the former TWA seats. The AirTran Coach seats are also more comfortable. However, the TWA seats do seem to be of higher quality and will probably last longer. The AirTran tray-tables, in particular, are already quite troublesome. BTW, ther was nothing wrong with the old THY seats.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Don't get me wrong guys, I love the TWA seats. I like them better than the AirTran seats. I was hoping they wouldn't change them. That is what I was asking.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

They will refit the interior as soon as someone can get to a junkyard near JFK / KJFK), USA - New York">JFK and rips ome seats out of some old wrecked Checker cabs... Since THY has no more clapped out DC-9's to sell.

Huh???


User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

The question should be what seats are they going to have on those Ryan A320s, business class and coach.

Hopefully they will be comfortable for those long flights.


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

They will refit the interior as soon as someone can get to a junkyard near and rips ome seats out of some old wrecked Checker cabs... Since THY has no more clapped out DC-9's to sell.

AirTran's previous incarnation, the disgusting Value Jet, purchased a few run out DC-9's and a bunch of worn out engins from THY and one of those engines were implicated in an accident where there was a fire, and injuries in ATL in 1996. Since "value" (doing stuff on the "cheaP") permiated VJ, it appears that discipline continues since they didn't refurbish the 717-231's in their own specification  Insane.



User currently offlineM717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

747-451,

Yep. You make a lot of sense. That's what I would do. Spend more money to replace a nicer interior. Money is being spent to bring the aircraft operationally to AirTran's specs, which is where it really matters. But, thanks for your continued concern. Things are moving along here quite nicely without you, however.

[Edited 2003-04-17 20:04:47]

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Dude, M717, I don't think anyone here is bashing AirTran. The rumor was that their seats were rather cheap, and in looking at cabin photos, they certainly look... of an earlier design than today's modern coach seats. I am not talking fabric, I am talking contour.

I suspect AirTran would be doing quite nicely without yourself as well.

It is FACT that they got those planes and engines from THY. Are you arguing that? Didn't think so. It is also FACT that the NTSB implicated the engines in the fire. Are you arguing that? Citing fact is not bashing an airline. And, as you so correctly point out, AirTran is doing fine. They don't need defense.

I think they should keep the classy TWA interiors. But then, I think TWA should still be in the air.

Also, what on earth did you mean by pointing out the following:

AirTran -- profitable
TWA -- bankrupt
AA -- on the brink

You do the math. Call it whatever you like.

Call what whatever we like? What does AA have to do with TWA or AirTran?

Maybe I am on drugs and don't know it, because I sure can't figure out where this topic ended up.

To restate my opinion, I think Tranny should keep the TWA interiors... why spend the extra bucks to swap perfectly good for perfectly good?

Good luck to F9.

R


User currently offlineM717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

AA737-823,

747-451 was, has and will continue to "bash" AirTran, and my comments were directed at him. So, I'll leave it at that.

And I wish F9 (Frontier) good luck, also.

I wish the posters on this board good luck, also. I think I'll be taking my leave, now. I understand why few pilots post here. I think de727ups said it best. At any rate, y'all have fun now, ya hear.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

747-451 must be some bitter, cynical furloughed pilot that can't stand the fact that his airline is shrinking and AirTran is profitable, successful and growing. Let ValuJet go, dude! That was SEVEN years ago.... this is the wave of the future... if you don't like it...get out a line...there's plenty behind ya ready to spend the cash..

Travis


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

I'm not a pilot, nor work for Northwest. I am pleased that AirTran is doing well.

However, ValuJet has had several problems in the past, including the 1996 Atlanta fire which was on a plane equipped with materials from THY. That isn't bashing, it's a fact; and as a consumer I have a right to critique an airline that has a past that has been under FAA scrutiny; regardless of name change or merger.Too bad back then they didn't see fit to ensure "Money is being spent to bring the aircraft operationally to AirTran's specs, which is where it really matters"....again, not bashing--but being circumspect.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Thanks to all of your replies. I can't wait to fly on another -231 with AirTran.

BTW -- My dad is flying on AirTran to TPA on 1910 on May 24, 2003. I hope he gets on a 717-231.



User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

However, ValuJet has had several problems in the past, including the 1996 Atlanta fire which was on a plane equipped with materials from THY. That isn't bashing, it's a fact; and as a consumer I have a right to critique an airline that has a past that has been under FAA scrutiny; regardless of name change or merger.

So in other words, you are completely ignorant of the airline industry? Thanks for sharing! Run an NTSB search, man....you'll find a lot more FAA "investigative scrutiny" than just AirTran. I'm so sick of you people that think you know something about aviation and toss your fly-brain knowledge around like it's the gospel. Turn off CNN dude, and read a book.

Travis


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Travatl, you are correct. In fact the uncontained engine failure (which Delta has had many many many) was a result of a TURKISH maintained engine. I am 100% positive that if Valujet knew how badly THY had maintained that engine, they would not have installed it. BTW -- The uncontained engine failure happened on June 8, 1995 Uncontained engine failures happen. it is something we can prevent, but nevertheless it happens. It didn't just happen on Valujet. Remember the Delta incident in PNS that KILLED 2 people? (I think 2).

Valujet made some mistakes, they have learned from their mistakes. Let's rest it at that.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Uncontained failure certainly do happen, and it is often tragic when those things occur.

However.... "If Valujet knew how badly THY had maintained that engine, they would not have installed it."

Isn't it their responsibility, BR715, to know what they are putting on their planes? Your statement is, I think, even more incriminating than any other. It's like saying they were ignorant of what they had in the air. It cost people their lives, and it cost Valujet their airplane.

I don't go out and buy a used car without having a mechanic look over it. I want to know as much as possible before I get in and drive away.

Travis... I don't know, I can't speak for 747-451. But he has a point. It happened. Just like flight 592 happened. People weren't being responsible. And it marred their reputation.

Maybe I am too PC (didn't think I would ever hear myself say that, as I am not that PC to begin with) but I don't think it's allright for one of us to insinuate that any other of us doesn't know anything about aviation. I myself have a lot to learn...

I like AirTran. I think the 717 is a magnificent plane. I have only flown it with TeeDub, but a 717 is a 717. I hope AirTran has many years of great service from them. I might fly them this summer, if the pricing is right. I hope I can get on a -231... although what is the likelihood of getting one out of DFW???

Yall have a great Easter weekend!
R


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

although what is the likelihood of getting one out of DFW???

I dunno. But maybe this photo will give you an idea.
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=64582

N919AT was N2417F with TeeDub.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

First - the engine failure was actually on an ex-Delta aircraft, not an ex-THY airplane.

And yes, even as a loyal, faithful, employee...... I will admit that although flight 592' ACCIDENT WAS NOT IN ANY WAY A DIRECT CAUSE OF THE VALUJET OPERATION, our operation was slipshod enough at the time to have contributed to an "injury accident". ValuJet was great, I had a great time being a part of it... but don't think for a minute that the airline was intentionally running an unsafe operation. It wasn't....

Travis



User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Are posters on airliners.net really that dense? Isn't it obvious that M717 is a pilot for AirTran?

M717: I’ve enjoyed reading your posts, and I hope you’ll continue to participate on airliners.net.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Travatl, I know Valujet wasn't INTENTIONALLY running an unsafe operation. (even if that wasn't directed at me) Lewis Jordan was really saddened when 592 crashed. I wish I would have had the chance to fly on them. Unfortunately I didn't know much about them until I was in school on May 13, 1996. You say it was great, I believe you. I have witnessed the same spunk you talk about in many AirTran employees. Even as a Loyal, Faithful, flyer, I will also admit that AirTran is not the BEST airline in the world, but they sure make me happy when I fly them, and they provide the cheapest fare to Atlanta when I go, on New planes, so I think I will take this opportunity, and fly. I hope maybe one day you are my flight attendant, and I can watch you work.

25 Post contains images 747-451 : Travatl; "I am 100% positive that if Valujet knew how badly THY had maintained that engine, they would not have installed it" According the the NTSB r
26 Srbmod : The main problem that Valujet had at the time of 592 was that they grew so fast (they went from 3 planes in Oct of 1993 to well over 50+ in less than
27 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : Srbmod. You hit the nail on the head so hard I saw a spark fly from it. Thanks for that. You answered a question of mine before I even asked it.
28 747-451 : SBRMOD; Excellent clarifiactions on 592, the THY affair and the quick expansion issues! -451
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