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Airline Pilots: Still Getting Cockpit Visits?  
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Pilots,

Have you seen a decline in the number of people who like to look around the cockpit before or after flight, especially now that pilots are carrying guns? Do you look down upon people who ask to do this?


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Our airline no longer allow flightdeck visits in-flight, but it is always an absolute pleasure to have passengers visit after shutdown at the gate or before we pushback, provided we have time to allow it.

As before, I always try and show them what they are interested in and answer all their questions. I showed a nice young chap who was training to be a pilot how to program the FMC for a flight to Gatwick on the ground in Pisa at the weekend and he was extremely appreciative.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

The flighdeck vivsits in flight stopped after Pan Am 103. On the ground tho many pilots I used to work with let people come and take a look up front before the door closed and push back commenced. But most carriers that I have flown on still allow predeparture visits to the flightdeck.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

"The flighdeck vivsits in flight stopped after Pan Am 103"

Bear in mind that only applies in the USA. We had flightdeck visits in the UK up until September 11th (and shortly afterwards). Some airlines in some countries still allow in-flight visits to the flightdeck.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6626 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

We had flightdeck visits right up to Sept 11th as well, but unfortunately they are not allowed now, although before pushback and after coming on blocks visitors are allowed in, but we are normally busy, so that makes things difficult...not that anyone has even asked to see the cockpit for a while.

User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Same as above, no visits inflight but allowed prior to pushback or after chocks on.

Prior to 9/11 used to have many visitors from all walks of life but since then, with the new restrictions, very very few. Maybe one very 4 months at a guess.




Etihad Girl, You're a great way to fly.
User currently offlineDeltaASA16 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

I was lucky enough to get a inflight visit to the cockpit of an AirFrance A340 crossing the Atlantic (CDG-IAD). However, I was only 10 at the time so I didn't apprecitate it as much as I would now, now that I am taking flight lessons. All I really was interested in was how much bigger their window was compared to mine back in coach.

USA Commercial Pilots:

When I am flying commercially here in the US, I always want to go up and visit the cockpit after pulling up to the gate at our destination. However, I notice that the captian or FO is always standing there in the entrance to the cockpit saying bye to everyone.

Are you guys trying to get us off the plane and out of your hair or is it okay if I ask for a cockpit visit...  Insane


Thanks
DeltaASA16


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

I have visited a few cockpits well-before 9/11. In one instance, I was allowed to hangout in the cockpit of 732 at the gate during a long delay at DCA. The captain let me sit in the left seat and play with the yoke and pedals a little. I am particularly grateful to a MH A330 cockpit crew that let me sit in the jumpseat for about an hour during the en-route between Fukuoka, Japan and Penang, Malaysia. They had an FA hook me with food and drinks as well. They were really great guys. Also visited the cockpits of JAL 767 enroute and 777 at the gate before. All of this was well before 9/11.

Since 9/11 I don't even bother asking unless we are getting off the airplane and I have not seen the particular cockpit before. The last one I saw was an MD-90. I


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

I got to sit in on a landing of a CX A330 which was cool and a Ba 742 in flight. That was 2 years ago. What exactly happend on PA103 where that caused there to be no more in flight visitors on the US flights?


Go big or go home
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

I got to spend some time mid-flight on a LAX-NAN (Air Pacific ) flight back in '99. What a blast in the middle of the Pacific to see another flight 1,000 ft passing below us. Classic 737-200. Crew was great. All out in the middle of nowhere.
At Alaska, we don't even allow other airline pilots to jumpseat. Now we at least allow NW/QX jumpers.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Boy, have I got a story for you guys  Smile


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Photo © Shawn Damphousse



This is a picture I took in the cockpit of a UA 777 during a ground stop in EWR. Because we were going to be waiting for a while (for the weather to pass), the captain came on the intercom and invited to the cockpit anyone who wanted to "check it out". At one point, there were seven people in the cockpit. (The 777 is a truly nice plane, but that's another story Big grin)

Keep in mind, this is

-Less than a year after 9/11
-At EWR
-UAL

Amazing  Smile

Shawn


User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Yeah they still do cockpit visits. I got one during a ground stop at MSP going home MSP-SFO on a Northwest 752. It was fun!

User currently offlineAroundtheworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 279 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Last one I had (only one I had) was on an L1011 after landing and I was virtually the only one left on the plane. They let me take pictures around the cabin and basically invited me to go in and take pics in the cockpit. I was left unattended...too bad the friend of mine who I was with deplaned right away as I coulda had some great shots in the seat of an L1011 cockpit...

User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

For me, no problem, even in-flight if Cabin-crew accompanies them and asked before push-back so I can check them out. No need to be paranoia!
Keeps people interested!



Shiek!
User currently offlineW_a_s_p_i_e From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

I had four jumpseat flights last August in a GO airlines 737. I had it pre-arranged with the Fleet manager, and he took me 'under his wing'. It was great, but I heard about a new rule that was introduced a couple of days after my flights that stopped people from visiting the flight deck. I think, at least for a while, going in the cockpit whilst airborne is not a real option. Im extremely gratefull for my jumpseat flights though! 4 takeoffs, four landings, four complete flights in a 737-300! Great!

User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

I remember the "good old days" pre 9/11, if you were flying Westjet they would announce open cockpit tours mid-flight. This happened all the time, so much so, that I think it was company policy to encourage it. (Flight duties permitting of course.) So I have been in a bunch of 737-200 cockpits and I have had a couple of Air Transat L-1011 cockpit tours in flight as well. Since 9/11 however the CDN government adopted the "no in flight access rule". I had a tour of a Skyservice A-320 post landing in YYZ in January, but that is it.


Give me a mile of road and I can take you a mile. Give me a mile of runway and I can show you the world.
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

God I miss the jumpseat. I never spent more than a few minutes in my assigned seat. My last cockpit visit was in August 2001, Malev 737 from Budapest to Beirut. I was up there the whole flight, and stood behind the captain's seat for the landing (flight attendent in the jumpseat). Awesome, holding onto something with my left hand, holding onto the captain's seat with my right hand, as we cruised down the infamous Beirut approach with high rise buildings rushing past either side, mountains ahead. Thank you Malev, and the hundreds of other airlines that were so friendly. I bet they miss me as much as I miss them.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineSalim From Lebanon, joined Jun 2001, 303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3621 times:

Sunday, i was allowed to stay on the jumpseat for landing on an air france b737. wonderfull view of paris by night while landing at cdg

User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3598 times:

Jumpseat flights are allowed in the Caribbean if you know the captains.

last week I sat on the jumpseat from Antigua to Trinidad on Caribbean Star Airlines' Dash 8-Q300...from start up to shut down.

I think this is something pilots will open up to later on assuming the sense of security returns.
*fingers crossed*



Maintain own separation with terrain!
User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2181 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Last July I visited the cockpit inflight on KL1168 HEL-AMS on PH-BTF. Crew were great  Smile

On all 4 KLM flights I took in that trip, i got visits to the cockpit at least before and one or two after also every time!!

On the BHX-AMS leg (first). The pilots were really cool, and I know that if they had been allowed to let me jumpseat - I know they would've. I got a visit pre-flight, then I was told I could visit afterwards too.

It really is a shame that our flight was delayed by about 1:20 and I had to go almost instantly to my connection to HEL, but i got a visit pre-flight there, so it was cool.

Times change though  Sad

Henry


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Unfortuantely with the US security being as tight as it is noone except employees of the company, only those authorized by the company may jumpseat (ie..Dispatchers, Pilots ). At least we could get a jumpseat letter from the Chief Pilot for those of us who wanted to observe.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Last one I had was yesterday night, on a CRJ200.
upon boarding, the captain and FO were already in the cockpit, but I went straight in their direction (the F.A. was talking to them, so the door was open), and I boldly asked "Good evening sir, I am a privot pilot. Would it be posible for me to give you a visit during the flight ?"
He said that he would call me when we would arrive to the destination.

During the flight I wondered whether he meant before or after landing, so about 30 minutes before landing, I went again to the F.A. "Sorry miss, could you ask the captain whether..." she asked me to wait a minute, went to the cockpit, then came back at me, "please follow me", I went into the cockpit, and voila, she drew the jumpseat for me.

Follow my advice, always ask, and also, always insist (sometimes they say yes, but they forget during the flight (they have other things to think of)).

And if you're lucky enough, seat down, enjoy the ride, and speak only if they speak to you (remember that they are working)

Cheers,

Antoine, still in the sky


User currently offlineLa Carlota From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

I really miss those times.
I had the chance to visit in flight the cabins of a VIASA DC-8 CCS-MIA; a British Airways B-747/200 NBO-LHR; an Iberia B-727 BCN-AGP (wonderful night landing sitting on the jump seat), an Air France Concorde CDG-BCN, and even a Lockheed Hercules C-130 AMM-CAI.
Wonderful memories of another past.



Tango Tango Fox
User currently offlineJetboyTWA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 389 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

I was fortunate enough to jumpseat in the flightdeck of Virgin Atlantic's G-VZZZ in May, 2000 from Gatwick to Boston.

I sat right behind the captain from boarding all the way 'till cruise.

It was a great experience. I'll never forget lifting off way up there in the 747-200. Probably the best flight of my life.

Ryan


User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 808 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3347 times:
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CRJ-700 FO
25 BA : I sure miss those days on KLM when I was allowed to visit the cockpit while cruising. I had the pleasure of visiting the cockpit NUMEROUS times. Those
26 Commander Data : On my aircraft that I am flying, I'll usually allow flight deck visits. I mean it all depends, some people I will decline a vist, depending what mood
27 Ben : It seems like only a few countries are paranoid about cockpit visits... Last year, I sat in the F/O's seat of a jet airliner on a mainline flight carr
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