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3 Hours In A Jetstream!  
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2744 posts, RR: 9
Posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

We just got new service here in YZF. Northwestern Air Lease is starting a new route YZF-Edmonton City Centre. It says it is 3:55 but there is a stop in Fort Smith so I figure about 3 hours. My question is why would someone fly them when they are 50 dollars more expensive and take twice the time? I wish them the best of luck but I don't see it succeeding unless there are high loads out of Ft. Smith.

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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7906 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Is it flown by a J31/32 or a J41?

Either way, the person really has to be into self torture.

Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2744 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

J31 I believe. They can fly in a 737 for $265 one way or a Jetsream for $315.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Junkstreams suuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkk.

Champagne For My Real Friends,and Real Pain For My Sham Friends
User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Of course, if you just enjoy flying, it's fun to be flying on a small plane. In the old days, of course, you could see into the cockpit and follow along. Much better than sitting in a 737.


User currently offlineRootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Try this one for torture. Aircrew - operating to Dublin. Immediatley after arrival in Dublin, positioning to Rome on a Jetstream...seats do not recline, you are exhausted and you desprately need to sleep. Well, try sleeping on it - almost impossible and heres the breaker - a fuel stop in France, and then maybe staying on the ground for up to 2 hours due to slot times ( no air conditioning, they used to open the over wing exit)

Total time on that thing - 8 hrs!!!! and that is after working the previous night to get to Dublin. Sheer torture and we did that pairing all summer. The company said " by doing it this way, you are increasing your profit sharing" Well, they could have kept my profit sharing and put me on a descent carrier, I would have been more than happy. The joys of aviation!

User currently offlineAirCanadaMan From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Welcome to the north. We always cram silly, or old, small, or way to big of plane on the weirdest of routes.

And yes, Northwestern only has J-31's.

Northwestern has the right idea here, it would seem this route is a trial, to see if there is a market for city cetnre service again (Yellowknife was once served from City, long, long ago) and to see if they can beat out Canadian North of the Fort Smith run to YEG. Remember that Canadian North cut frequecies, Northwestern may be trying to fill the void.

If it is sucessful, expect them to pull an "Air North" where they would aquire finacing to upgrade to a bigger, faster type. (Not necessarily a jet).

Although regional jets are years away from ever seeing the north, they would work well in this case. Certainly more economical than the ol F-28.

Also note, Northwestern is becomming quite popular, I remember the days when the only flew a Beech 99 into YZF, now its not uncommon to see to J-31s flying down, usually in the late afternoon.

Secondly, the GNWT may be the most lucrative idea behind this whole thing. Both Fort Smith and Yellowknife send people to Edmonton regualrly, most notably for health, and business downtown. The transport costs are astronomical from YEG to downtown, so they (GNWT) may see the extra 50$ (or whatever it is) as a cost saving opp.

However, Canadian North (from YZF and Smith) and First Air both provide damn good service, with hot meals etc. on the YEG flights, Northwestern cant compete with this, or with the speed.

It'll be interesting to see. Right now, expcet it to be a summer service, gone by October. However, if it looks promising, it'll be here to stay.

User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2744 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

I don't see it being succesful ACM, but it would be neat if they picked up a couple of 7F's HS748's though. I would take one of those to Edmonton.

User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Since they are flying in Edmonton City center, doesn't the airport have a limitation of 9 passengers? The Jetstream seats 19. Capital City Air a year back offfered service between Calgary and Edmonton City Center with Jetsream 31 aircraft, it went to points beyond and agued that since only 9 people exitted the aircraft and the remaining 10 were going to points beyond, Peace River maybe?

Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineRootsboy From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Lol, the joys of the Jetscream!

I think it was about 2 summers ago, we had a positioning flight as aircrew from Lamezia (SUF-southern Italy) and Pescara to Dublin. Both flights via Lyon on the same Jetstream as rootsgirl talked about.

1-2 hrs on the ground.


1-2 hrs on the ground. (once took 2 hours just to get a fuel truck)

The only good think about those pairing is that we had crew rest the night before, but what is worse? being wide awake or being exhausted and doing that flight? Gravel was our best friend back in those days. lol

I would have rather worked from Toronto-Italy-Toronto all the way through. At least I would have slept in my own bed, and it would have saved me the hassle of getting on the Jetstream. Also, it would have taken less time to fly back to Toronto, then it did to position from Italy-Dublin.


User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2744 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

If the price was cheaper I would take the ride one-way but I am not paying $315 for a 3 hour ride on a Jetstream. If it is successful it will be out of Ft. Smith.

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