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Two Pilot Gun Slinger Candidates Wash Out  
User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1351 posts, RR: 20
Posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

I thought I'd mention a little food for thought on the first class of pilot's being trained to carry weapons in the cockpit. Out of 50 hand picked candidates, two failed the class. Of the two that failed the class, one was a former Federal Officer and the other was working as a part time law enforcement officer. All of the candidates were chosen for the first class on the strength on their previous firearm training. It was expected that none would fail the class because they were all very highly trained to begin with. Apparently the TSA has set up a very challenging course and there is currently a controversy on the "tone" of the course. Many involved in the movement to arm pilot's are unhappy with this course and the politics involved. It is preceived as unnecessarily difficult with numerous opportunities to lose your license (failed pysch exam/evals) . The TSA was no fan of the program and is charge of the program. It appears to involve a little "payback".

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User currently offlineFlydeltasjets From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2207 times:


According to "Fig" (a head honcho in the movement) the two washed out prior to training for "backround" reasons. Apparantly, both were active in the guns program, and perhaps stepped on some feet along the way. Without good recommendations from everyone (company included) they were unable to begin class. This is being challenged as we speak, but according to him, "washed out" is not really an accurate term for what happened.

Hopefully, I interpreted his communication properly.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30408 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Leno has been having a field day with this.

Apparently it is his understanding that the washouts psychological in nature.

So translated.

They are not sane enough to carry a gun but are ok to fly a planeload of people around!

User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1351 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Actually I think a psychological washout is the worst thing that could happen to a candidate. There are very real medical certificate ramifications from a "thumbs down" from a psychatrist. You could very well say the wrong thing and end up spending years trying to get back into the cockpit.

User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

If 48 out of 50 pilots passed the course, it would appear the course was hardly rigged to flunk the candidates. Being suitable as a pilot doesn't necessarily make a man suitable for a gun. He could be a competent pilot, but if his hero is Dirty Harry Callaghan, he may have been found to have a temperament unsuitable for arming. Keep in mind that is how law enforcement agencies filter out unsuitable new candidates. They look for the Dirty Harry type and eliminate them as they move along the training program. That is not to besmirch the character of Inspector Callaghan. He's my personal hero. But I'm not the kind of person who should be given a gun, either.

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