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BA Crew No Longer Stays In Toronto Due To Sars  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

For each BA flight to YYZ the flight..

the flight does LHR-YYZ-YUL-LHR... the purpose? For the crews to stay in Montreal and avoid getting SARS.

Mark

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User currently offlineQuebecair727 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

BA must not have rights to pick up passengers as the two flights are not listed on ADM departure and arrival screens. So this means that we have 3 BA aircrafts at the same time in YUL (YUL-LHR + YYZ-YUL-LHR x 2).

Interesting for spotters.



User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Hey, anything to layover in Montreal. What a great city to have a layover in.

Seriously though, it would be easy at this point to say that they are overreacting and how useless it is and yada yada yada...

... but the fact remains that the world yesterday has been freaked out by the international community, and the move is, I find, understandable...

... besides... you guys are laying over in Montreal, THE party city! Enjoy!


User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5656 times:


Not BA over reacting.......just looking after the safety and security of its international crews. A good move till the situation is solved. Enjoy YUL?


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

Well, if I was a BA passenger, I'd be annoyed at the unnecessary YUL stop, esp given that AC continues to fly YYZ-LHR nonstop.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5606 times:


Well Yyz717 thats the good thing about being a passenger, you have a choice. BA and its crew dont have that option so to maintain a service to Canada they may have to alter the slipping pattern for its crew and they have chosen that option. Better to be safe than sorry hey, remember Kuwait???


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

This Sars thing is getting out of hand.

I think the latest numbers are that out of the Toronto deaths the average age is something like 72.

Guys this is just a highly airborne version of the flu.




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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

This Sars thing is getting out of hand. *** Guys this is just a highly airborne version of the flu.

And now some media outlets are labeling it "the next AIDS", with a billion possible infections if left uncontained for 60 weeks or more

Sad  Sad


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

Point being is that the elderly are usually more likely to be killed by any common disease, and what do we find in the SARS patients in Toronto. Most that have died have been the elderly.


Coincidence.........................................I think not!



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Better to be safe than sorry hey, remember Kuwait???

This shows how little you know about SARS. You are more likely to be struck by lightning in YYZ than getting SARS.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Hello

I was told by the doctor that the SARS is a version of the "common cold", so very infectious no "cure" but some days in bed with "Lemsip" and it goes away, or is it worse than that? I didn't hear it was fatal, is this right?


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

"Guys this is just a highly airborne version of the flu."

I am not sure if this is entirely true. It is actually supposed to be less contagious than influenza but this disease and its various mutations have a mortality rate of between 5-10% depending on who you ask. Granted a large number of those deaths occured in China which has a varying levels of medical care, there have been people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s in Hong Kong who have died. Hong Kong has first rate facilities.

While I agree that fear is amplying the psychological effects of this disease, I think that fear and the resulting cautionary measures have saved at least a few lives so far.




User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

I also think the media has a hand in scaring people to the point that they don't want to travel anymore.

I'm planning a trip to Toronto this summer and I'm going regardless. I may take a few extra precautions, but nothing to cancel a perfectly good vacation over.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5183 times:
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I'd like to know the ratio of fatalities from a couple of recent flu outbreaks to get some perspective. I bet they are similar.

The over reaction to this is outrageous -- led by WHO.



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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5157 times:


WHO being over reactionary and outrageous, i dont think so. When was the last time you had info that a major flu epidemic had caused so many deaths? No SARS is something more and this is why WHO has issued their warning and why airlines, BA, have stopped their crews staying in Toronto. Sorry Toronto but as much as your mayor may be screaming and shouting that this is all wrong when was the last time you read of a death in OZ, NZ or GB for that matter concerning a SARS death. While it may seem trivial to some of you at least WHO is taking this seriously! SARS is a KILLER!


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5151 times:
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No one is saying it's trivial. But by all accounts from Ontario and federal health authorities it's contained and now appears to be diminishing. WHO issued its travel advisory mostly on erroneous information about people in other locations (Australia) having SARS that originated in Toronto. It wasn't true. When confronted with that, they quickly found another SARS-Toronto link in Bulgaria -- which also turned out to be bogus. The reason Toronto is so PO'd is because it is suffering serious economic damage as a result of groundless mass hysteria.

When was the last time there were so many deaths from a flu outbreak? I'll admit I don't know -- but I bet it would be easy to track down, and I bet it wasn't that long ago. They don't get reported by the media any more.

I'll say it again -- WHO's stand on this is an outrageous over reaction.



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

The common flu is also a mass killer but on a far greater scale.The fact is that cases in Toronto are falling and are quite a way from their peak level.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

Almost all deaths related to Sars in toronto were for people over the age of 80!!!!!!!! Infact it is much like a new form of the flu, though CNN and other half asses excuses for US media would have you think that it is infact a new AIDS....the mortality rate of the common flu is easily as high, and I can assure you the numbers are probalby much higher....The WHO acting on false and outdated information made an illinformed recommendation to the world, and the above mentioned so called media only further missinformed the world. On socalled reporter from fox stated that Toronto is a virtual ghost town...LOL I'd like here to go stand in the middle of the 401 right now and report that same information....The fact is that the media needs something new to report on now that the "war" is old news, and the worst of the US media like Fox and CNN are jumping on any bandwagon that they can find....Sars and a Murder Case in california being the newest focus points...I think that BA" decision to move its crew layovers is hasty and based on false information, It will end up costing them money in the long run.....We've gone over a week without any new cases and in a few more days we should be in the clear...I wonder how well other cities would have handled the situation, something tells me it would not have been quite as well as TO did...


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

The OVERREACTION?!!?

The flu epidemic in 1918 killed MILLIONS. The mortality rate was 3%.

The problem is they're both contageous. The WHO estimates 1 billion people could be infected by the end of the year if we're unlucky. A 3% mortality rate may seem small, but that's 30,000,000 people dead. 30 million people dead. If it gets to Africa, nearly everyone with HIV will drop dead, that alone will push the mortality rate up higher.

When economies crash and burn and when your grandparents and kids are dying of this disease, maybe you'll still think the WHO are overreacting.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

The OVERREACTION?!!?

Sigh. Yes. Too much over-reaction.

The number of new cases is dropping. The former Chief Medical Officer for Toronto estimated the infection rate peaked 3 weeks ago & is now clearly in decline.

Everyone needs to chillllllllllllllll.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

The number of new cases is dropping. The former Chief Medical Officer for Toronto estimated the infection rate peaked 3 weeks ago & is now clearly in decline.

Everyone needs to chillllllllllllllll.


Hopefully in decline thanks to careful containment by the WHO and other authorities. Given time and fredom, this kind of pathogen could eventually infect millions. It IS a threat.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5057 times:
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"When economies crash and burn and when your grandparents and kids are dying of this disease, maybe you'll still think the WHO are overreacting."

Toronto's economy is crashing and burning right now -- mostly because of WHO's ill-advised decision to issue a totally unwarranted travel advisory. Statistics for various flu epidemics show a fatality rate almost as bad as the SARS rate -- yet WHO doesn't take this kind of action every time there's a flu outbreak. Toronto is successfuly controlling SARS. Has any jurisdiction ever successfully controlled a flu outbreak?

You are using a legitimate need to carefully control this disease on a global scale to justify singling out Toronto, despite the fact that health authorities have now contained it. Heads ought to roll at WHO.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Toronto's economy is crashing and burning right now -- mostly because of WHO's ill-advised decision to issue a totally unwarranted travel advisory. Statistics for various flu epidemics show a fatality rate almost as bad as the SARS rate -- yet WHO doesn't take this kind of action every time there's a flu outbreak. Toronto is successfuly controlling SARS. Has any jurisdiction ever successfully controlled a flu outbreak?

There's a difference between a localised flu outbreak, that can be contained and vaccinated against and a highly contageous virus that can't be vaccinated against and mutates every few weeks.

If you think Toronto's economy is bad now, how do you think Canada will be when all of its population has SARS?


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

No one is over reacting to SARS.

SARS is not a version of common cold. What no one dare to tell you that this might be caused by China's biological weapon program that went wrong. The virus is a genetic combination of measles and mumps. Yahoo chinese even reported that US official can't dismiss that SARS was genetically engineered. This would also explain why china was so eager to cover this thing up. Do you think country like china, who tends to down play everything, would actually say that 4,000 are quarantine, if everything is alright?

Chinese official knows something that we don't and is not telling the truth.

Just because Toronto median age of death is 72, does not mean there are no death for healthy adults. HKG already has several case that person in 30's dies from SARS.

SARS is very contageous and its unseen before. Look at HKG, taiwan, and china where hospital are being locked down due to SARS.

Let me give you one more example. A taiwanese engineer went to China and come back with SARS. And infected all of his family member, and about 80% of coworker that worked on his floor. When did you see a such a high infection rate. I don't recall any flu that would infect 70~80% of people that come in contact with cold/flu viruses.


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Granted but I would not compare the healthcare system of China or even Taiwan with that of Canada....You can apply your chinese example to the Toronto case, where one elderly lady who went to Hong Kong got infected, the then came home infected her son, and grandson, and one other family member...she later died, when her family went to the hospital they infected a few other people, once the doctors figured out what it was that they had the hospitals began to quarantine, and restrict hospitals and as such there have only been 100 or so cases...Which goes a long way to showing how well the system did work...If SARS is a weapon gone wrong it isnt a very good one...the entire geneome was decoded withing a few weeks by Canadian doctors, and a little while later by US and European ones...


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25 Docpepz : I was having an debate yesterday over this. I too said that the mortality rate is really low and that every year 250 000 people die from the common fl
26 Cessnapimp : If you think Toronto's economy is bad now, how do you think Canada will be when all of its population has SARS? Joke's on you buddy! The economy won't
27 Speedbirdyvr : "Point being is that the elderly are usually more likely to be killed by any common disease" Hahaa.....maybe BA has old, geriatric FA's!!!
28 Yyz717 : Hahaa.....maybe BA has old, geriatric FA's!!! Well, we know AC does.
29 Soku39 : DoorsToManual refering to reply 10, there is no virus that has a cure. No matter what virulence the virus has.
30 Slawko : I'm curious...Do BA crews still overnight in Hong Kong, and Singapore??? If so WHY??? The situation is much much worse over there...
31 MAH4546 : I'm curious...Do BA crews still overnight in Hong Kong, and Singapore??? If so WHY??? The situation is much much worse over there... Singapore yes, I
32 Canadian747 : I must agree the SARS thing has gotten out of hand... And the City of Montreal is a Neat place to visit and have fun while on layover to all BA crews
33 FLYYUL : "And the City of Montreal is a Neat place to visit and have fun while on layover to all BA crews having to overnight in Montreal have fun and do not d
34 Post contains images Slawko : No one has argued that Montreal isnt a "neat" place....just not economically viable with respect to the kind of routes that some of you guys want to s
35 Bmacleod : 777236ER, I'm a Canadian currently living in the U.S. Are you saying Canadians even living outside of Canada are going to get SARS?
36 Post contains links Wirraway : Regarding the motality rate: "Officials in the former British colony of Hong Kong -- the hardest-hit area along with China -- on Thursday revised the
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