Lumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2661 times:
I have to fly from Brussels to Singapoor in June.
So i called to make a resevation and asked for the direct flight.
They told my there are not flying to Bru anymore and there are clossing to office also?
After 25 years of SQ in Brussels.
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 33 Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2592 times:
The airline industry is really in the worst possible status at the moment. Fuel price rising, the Iraq-war and now SARS. Who would have guessed a few weeks ago, that SARS would probably have the higher impact on the aviation industry, than that damned war on Iraq??
dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2587 times:
SARS is only the nail in the coffin. BRU has never been profitable, and things have only gotten worse in the past few years. A high percentage of SIA's BRU passenger traffic went to Indonesia, and the route has suffered badly ever since the problems in Indonesia began in 1997.
Demoose From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 25 Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2472 times:
The SQ flights to BRU used to continue onto MAN up until April with 744's. With MAN now being served non-stop with 772's I guess loads on the SIN-BRU sector have dropped more than they expected due to SARS and the war. All of SQ's flights are suffering, I guess they're going to cut the ones which are worst affected.
744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 406 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
correct. Man service is reduced to 4.
all sia staff got the official news that bru is closing down(pax services only). Maybe some staff will go to SQC(Singapore Airlines Cargo), which is another company. Bru will go up to 12 cgo flts a week
Flying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2377 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
SIA used to be the main carrier with which many Belgian Tour-Operators worked. So many of them were routing their clients to Bali with SQ via SIN instead of MH or TG who both dropped their direct BRU services a few years ago.
Very sad news indeed if it was to be confirmed... but the consequences of many factors. SARS, recent war in IRAQ, Bali bombing, introduction of the non-stop MAN-SIN service.
A friend of mine told me that the BRU SIA station manager tries to persuade SQ to continue to operate to BRU via ZRH or CDG.
What surprises me most is the lack of persusion from BIAC which lost many good carriers recently and never promptly reacted...
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2218 times:
Demoose/744Rules: My suspicion is that MAN will not be dropped to 4x/weekly. MAN may not be very profitable, but it is strategically important. SIA wants 5th freedom rights between LHR and the US, and their tactic is to use up every available traffic right and landing slot in order to force the Brits back to the negotiating table. SIA is prepared to lose money on MAN until it gets the rights that it wants.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7255 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2217 times:
I maybe wrong but I'm sure SQ came out around 1997 or 1998 stating that MAN was finally making a profit; I presume it's still making a little money for them. SQ, MAS and now EK are touting one-stop services to Australia so expect further yield reductions!
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3503 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2158 times:
So there will be no more passenger 747 coming to BRU. Singapore is for years the only airline that flies passenger 747's to BRU, until now. Only 747 Freighters will be seen in BRU from three airlines: Singapore Cargo, Air Hong Kong and Saudia Cargo.
Can you name all the airlines that have ever flown passenger 747's to BRU, as far as I can remember the following have done so:
American (yes they did!)
People Express (my father used to fly with them a lot)
There may be others but these four are the ones I remember. Yes I know Sabena has flown the 747 for a long time, of course I know, I was talking about foreign carriers. Not long ago, there were KLM 747's in BRU but they were there only because they were diverted.
That's sad. It seems like BRU, the so called capital of Europe, has no future in the long haul intercontinental market. BRU is just a regional airport compared to CDG, LHR, AMS and FRA. What do we see the most in BRU: Virgin 737's and SNBA Avro's. Nevertheless, it is still a pleasure to go spotting in BRU.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2134 times:
BRU is seeing fewer and fewer long-haul flights........when SN closed down and SN Brussels went with a business plan that focused only on regional flights, I thought that other international carriers would fill the void left by Sabena and open up new routes to BRU. In reality, the opposite has happened, Thai and now Singapore have dropped their direct pax flights to the Far East, ANA did not reopen the Tokyo route that they code-shared with SN, US pulled out after about one year, AA trimmed services and remains with only one flight to ORD which does not even operate daily during certain times of the year, etc, etc. VG Airlines was a poorly planned venture. The only good news is that the flights to Africa operated by SN Brussels/Birdy seem to be doing OK and that CO, which began service to BRU in 1999 (I think) has remained and their EWR flight does OK with the 762 (757s operated the service for a while), and very, very well with premium pax (the 25 seats in BusinessFirst on the 762 are completely filled almost daily). Is BRU simply overlooked since its in the "shadow" of FRA and AMS, or is there another reason for its problems?
DUS is another "overlooked" airport in my opinion - in recent years, much of the long haul traffic in and out of DUS has been dropped as LH has more and more concentrated on its FRA and MUC hubs. The same can be said about GVA - at a certain point, Swissair (and now Swiss) focused on ZRH. Any other similiar situations world wide?
Established02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
> Bru will go up to 12 cgo flts a week
744rules, what positive elements at BRU have inspired SQ to increase their cargo operations here?
BIAC incentives, central location, cooperation with some partners,...?
> Only 747 Freighters will be seen in BRU from three airlines
Ben, you omitted the regular cargo flights of Asiana, Korean Air and Hydro Air Cargo, thus making it at least six cargo airlines that currently operate the 747 to BRU.
> Can you name all the airlines that have ever flown passenger 747's to BRU
I sure would love to see some more pictures from the (short) time periods when also Air Zaire, Pan Am, Metro, Tower Air (JFK-BRU-TLV), Flying Tigers, TWA, Highland Express, Royal Jordanian, Garuda, Air Lanka, El Al, Malaysian Airline System, South African Airways and Lufthansa (DHL) flew their 747's into BRU.
I hope that more and more spotters will kindly open up their drawers to scan and post the unique pictures of BRU operations during the past few decades. Thank you very much.
Flying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2377 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2019 times:
Quite a good analysis DUTCHJET.
BRU apt suffers also according to me of its lack of HST (High Speed Train) link to other major cities of the region.
Recently I flew into CDG and I was amazed to see how efficient was the HST line between CDG and Brussels downtown. In a way, it's quite the same problem with DUS.
I can only agree with ex-BIAC CEO P.Klees who always pointed out this big hole in the BRU development outlook if it ever wanted to compete with AMS, CDG, and even FRA.
Now the only thing we can hope it that the intercontinental market bounces back again...
Life is great at 41.000 feet...
25 744rules: FB Are you sure a high speed train link to ams, fra, dus,... is such a good idea ? AF stopped its flights cdg-bru and book their pax on this train. SI
26 Airmale: So Biman Bangaldesh is the only non-Arab Asian airline operating passenger services to Brussels.
27 Manni: coincidentally today there was a Korean Air aircraft coming from Seoul scheduled to arrive at BRU at 11.25AM. The aircraft arrived at 11.19AM. Since c
28 Sabena 690: @Airmale, I picked up the rumour that also BG wants to leave. BRU generates almost no passengers. They are also getting difficulties with their DC10's
29 Shilla: @Flying Belgian DUS has a HST connection to major cities - the ICE´s are operating to Berlin, Frankfurt etc., so that´s not a problem there. The new
30 Glider: Biggest pax aircraft here must be MS B772 & B743, I think. Am I right?
31 Flying Belgian: ... What a sad discussion !!! I'm getting depressive !!! FB.
32 Established02: > today there was a Korean Air aircraft coming from Seoul scheduled to arrive > at BRU at 11.25AM. The aircraft arrived at 11.19AM. > I assume it was
33 Established02: > Can you name all the airlines that have ever flown passenger 747's to BRU A friendly fellow BRU spotter mailed me the following: Other regular B747
34 Manni: Thank you Established02. Normaly the cargo aircraft are not listed on the arrivals info. Do you know wether there are any KE cargo aircraft flying dir
35 Established02: > the excellent maintenance work Sabena Technics does to their DC10's... Sabena690, what kind of maintenance does SN Technics offer to Biman? BG's DC1
36 Sabena 690: Hi Edwin, Let's say they see SN Technics as some kind of problem solver. Everytime they have problems with their DC10, SN Technics solves it in a good
37 American 767: Established02, thanks for your info. I saw this morning a Korean Air 747F parking at the Cargo facility in Melsbroek. It seems like all 747 Freighters
38 Lumumba: Singapour is not on the timetable of Brusselsairport anymore? regards Patrice
39 Tsentsan: Interesting way of spelling Singapore
40 SQ772: The French spell it Singapour, the Germans spell it Singapur. Both are not wrong.