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SQ Stops BRU Flight's  
User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

I have to fly from Brussels to Singapoor in June.
So i called to make a resevation and asked for the direct flight.
They told my there are not flying to Bru anymore and there are clossing to office also?
VERY SAD.
After 25 years of SQ in Brussels.
Regards
Patrice

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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Still nothing official...

I'm hoping the world recovers from SARS soon, and that BRU will stay opened...

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

The airline industry is really in the worst possible status at the moment. Fuel price rising, the Iraq-war and now SARS. Who would have guessed a few weeks ago, that SARS would probably have the higher impact on the aviation industry, than that damned war on Iraq??

Gerardo



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User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

SARS is only the nail in the coffin. BRU has never been profitable, and things have only gotten worse in the past few years. A high percentage of SIA's BRU passenger traffic went to Indonesia, and the route has suffered badly ever since the problems in Indonesia began in 1997.

User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Why is there such a strong link from BRU to Indonesia? That's new to me.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

The SQ flights to BRU used to continue onto MAN up until April with 744's. With MAN now being served non-stop with 772's I guess loads on the SIN-BRU sector have dropped more than they expected due to SARS and the war. All of SQ's flights are suffering, I guess they're going to cut the ones which are worst affected.

Mark



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

With MAN now being served non-stop with 772's I guess loads on the SIN-BRU sector have dropped more than they expected due to SARS and the war.

Note that the flight, after arriving from BRU, still proceeds to MAN. The B772's to MAN are additional flights.

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Ah, yes I wasn't too sure. If SQ drop BRU i take it that MAN would consequently be reduced to 4 x weekly 777 service?


Take a ride...fly across the sky
User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

@demoose
correct. Man service is reduced to 4.

all sia staff got the official news that bru is closing down(pax services only). Maybe some staff will go to SQC(Singapore Airlines Cargo), which is another company. Bru will go up to 12 cgo flts a week


User currently offlineStarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

SIA is also cutting flights to JFK. Posted that here a couple of days ago, but nobody seemed to care.


Yours truly - StarFlyer
User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

THey cut flights to JFK about a month ago to thrice weekly. It'll go back to daily once demand springs back to normal levels.

However they CUT Brussels off their network and that's quite significant.


User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

srry guys, but this SARS discussion is so ridicilous, 4500 people out of x mln have it, and only 10% are dying of it ..... , its again a story , where people are getting panic without any reason ....

cheers robin



ABC
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
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SIA used to be the main carrier with which many Belgian Tour-Operators worked. So many of them were routing their clients to Bali with SQ via SIN instead of MH or TG who both dropped their direct BRU services a few years ago.

Very sad news indeed if it was to be confirmed... but the consequences of many factors. SARS, recent war in IRAQ, Bali bombing, introduction of the non-stop MAN-SIN service.
A friend of mine told me that the BRU SIA station manager tries to persuade SQ to continue to operate to BRU via ZRH or CDG.

What surprises me most is the lack of persusion from BIAC which lost many good carriers recently and never promptly reacted...


FB.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
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@ Rotate:

I do agree 100 % with what you said...
If you give me a ticket to visit Shangai or Toronto, I go there when you want.


FB.



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User currently offlineAirDD From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2625 times:



So, no more direct service from BRU to Asia ?


BRU is become the biggest regional airport in the world  Sad


airDD


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Demoose/744Rules: My suspicion is that MAN will not be dropped to 4x/weekly. MAN may not be very profitable, but it is strategically important. SIA wants 5th freedom rights between LHR and the US, and their tactic is to use up every available traffic right and landing slot in order to force the Brits back to the negotiating table. SIA is prepared to lose money on MAN until it gets the rights that it wants.



User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7380 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2577 times:


I maybe wrong but I'm sure SQ came out around 1997 or 1998 stating that MAN was finally making a profit; I presume it's still making a little money for them. SQ, MAS and now EK are touting one-stop services to Australia so expect further yield reductions!

David


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3831 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2518 times:
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So there will be no more passenger 747 coming to BRU. Singapore is for years the only airline that flies passenger 747's to BRU, until now. Only 747 Freighters will be seen in BRU from three airlines: Singapore Cargo, Air Hong Kong and Saudia Cargo.
Can you name all the airlines that have ever flown passenger 747's to BRU, as far as I can remember the following have done so:
American (yes they did!)
People Express (my father used to fly with them a lot)
Thai
Singapore
There may be others but these four are the ones I remember. Yes I know Sabena has flown the 747 for a long time, of course I know, I was talking about foreign carriers. Not long ago, there were KLM 747's in BRU but they were there only because they were diverted.

That's sad. It seems like BRU, the so called capital of Europe, has no future in the long haul intercontinental market. BRU is just a regional airport compared to CDG, LHR, AMS and FRA. What do we see the most in BRU: Virgin 737's and SNBA Avro's. Nevertheless, it is still a pleasure to go spotting in BRU.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium




Ben Soriano
User currently offlineGlider From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Doesn't MS sometimes fly to BRU with a 743? Thought so... If so, you can add them to your list.
Rgds


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

BRU is seeing fewer and fewer long-haul flights........when SN closed down and SN Brussels went with a business plan that focused only on regional flights, I thought that other international carriers would fill the void left by Sabena and open up new routes to BRU. In reality, the opposite has happened, Thai and now Singapore have dropped their direct pax flights to the Far East, ANA did not reopen the Tokyo route that they code-shared with SN, US pulled out after about one year, AA trimmed services and remains with only one flight to ORD which does not even operate daily during certain times of the year, etc, etc. VG Airlines was a poorly planned venture. The only good news is that the flights to Africa operated by SN Brussels/Birdy seem to be doing OK and that CO, which began service to BRU in 1999 (I think) has remained and their EWR flight does OK with the 762 (757s operated the service for a while), and very, very well with premium pax (the 25 seats in BusinessFirst on the 762 are completely filled almost daily). Is BRU simply overlooked since its in the "shadow" of FRA and AMS, or is there another reason for its problems?

DUS is another "overlooked" airport in my opinion - in recent years, much of the long haul traffic in and out of DUS has been dropped as LH has more and more concentrated on its FRA and MUC hubs. The same can be said about GVA - at a certain point, Swissair (and now Swiss) focused on ZRH. Any other similiar situations world wide?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9187 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Will SQ resume service between ORD and AMS? Also HKG-LAS?

User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2463 times:

United Airline - outlook isn't good.

David_itl:In 1997/98 MAN had two flights via BOM and three via AMS. The BOM flights were profitable, the AMS flights were not.


User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2445 times:

I mentioned in one of my previous post that SQ is planning to shut down (permanently) the following stations...LAS, ORD, BRU, MRU, KHH, HIJ

One down...5 more to go (although I am now pretty sure ORD is gone as well)



There's always a better way to fly...
User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

> Bru will go up to 12 cgo flts a week

744rules, what positive elements at BRU have inspired SQ to increase their cargo operations here?
BIAC incentives, central location, cooperation with some partners,...?

> Only 747 Freighters will be seen in BRU from three airlines

Ben, you omitted the regular cargo flights of Asiana, Korean Air and Hydro Air Cargo, thus making it at least six cargo airlines that currently operate the 747 to BRU.

> Can you name all the airlines that have ever flown passenger 747's to BRU

I sure would love to see some more pictures from the (short) time periods when also Air Zaire, Pan Am, Metro, Tower Air (JFK-BRU-TLV), Flying Tigers, TWA, Highland Express, Royal Jordanian, Garuda, Air Lanka, El Al, Malaysian Airline System, South African Airways and Lufthansa (DHL) flew their 747's into BRU.

I hope that more and more spotters will kindly open up their drawers to scan and post the unique pictures of BRU operations during the past few decades. Thank you very much.



User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
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Quite a good analysis DUTCHJET.

BRU apt suffers also according to me of its lack of HST (High Speed Train) link to other major cities of the region.
Recently I flew into CDG and I was amazed to see how efficient was the HST line between CDG and Brussels downtown. In a way, it's quite the same problem with DUS.
I can only agree with ex-BIAC CEO P.Klees who always pointed out this big hole in the BRU development outlook if it ever wanted to compete with AMS, CDG, and even FRA.

Now the only thing we can hope it that the intercontinental market bounces back again...


F.B



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25 744rules : FB Are you sure a high speed train link to ams, fra, dus,... is such a good idea ? AF stopped its flights cdg-bru and book their pax on this train. SI
26 Airmale : So Biman Bangaldesh is the only non-Arab Asian airline operating passenger services to Brussels.
27 Manni : coincidentally today there was a Korean Air aircraft coming from Seoul scheduled to arrive at BRU at 11.25AM. The aircraft arrived at 11.19AM. Since c
28 Sabena 690 : @Airmale, I picked up the rumour that also BG wants to leave. BRU generates almost no passengers. They are also getting difficulties with their DC10's
29 Shilla : @Flying Belgian DUS has a HST connection to major cities - the ICE´s are operating to Berlin, Frankfurt etc., so that´s not a problem there. The new
30 Glider : Biggest pax aircraft here must be MS B772 & B743, I think. Am I right?
31 Post contains images Flying Belgian : ... What a sad discussion !!! I'm getting depressive !!! FB.
32 Established02 : > today there was a Korean Air aircraft coming from Seoul scheduled to arrive > at BRU at 11.25AM. The aircraft arrived at 11.19AM. > I assume it was
33 Established02 : > Can you name all the airlines that have ever flown passenger 747's to BRU A friendly fellow BRU spotter mailed me the following: Other regular B747
34 Manni : Thank you Established02. Normaly the cargo aircraft are not listed on the arrivals info. Do you know wether there are any KE cargo aircraft flying dir
35 Post contains links and images Established02 : > the excellent maintenance work Sabena Technics does to their DC10's... Sabena690, what kind of maintenance does SN Technics offer to Biman? BG's DC1
36 Sabena 690 : Hi Edwin, Let's say they see SN Technics as some kind of problem solver. Everytime they have problems with their DC10, SN Technics solves it in a good
37 American 767 : Established02, thanks for your info. I saw this morning a Korean Air 747F parking at the Cargo facility in Melsbroek. It seems like all 747 Freighters
38 Lumumba : Singapour is not on the timetable of Brusselsairport anymore? regards Patrice
39 Post contains images Tsentsan : Interesting way of spelling Singapore
40 SQ772 : The French spell it Singapour, the Germans spell it Singapur. Both are not wrong.
41 Post contains images Singapore_Air : And we call it Singapura! Majulah ourselves!
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