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Code Of Conduct/ Etiquette For Air Travel  
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 9
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3691 times:

My credo is this: "If I am for myself only, what am I?" That being said, here is my list:

1) Use a cell phone in a place where your conversation will be private
2) Don't read a paper when cabin crew is doing the safety demo.
3) If you are going to read, hold the paper low enough so that the people around you can see the demo.
4) Hold doors for others
5) Say "thank you" to those who got you there
6) If you are going to recline, look behind you first, and be gentle
7) Have your documents ready before you get to the front of the line
8) No bare feet
9) No feet on bulkhead walls
10) Smiles go a long way


14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3680 times:

1) sit down
2) shut up
3) behave
4) visit the cockpit when the flight lands



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3652 times:

Now we need 'code of conduct' for air travel?
Gimme a break. Get me there safely..on time....and get me a diet-Coke.
The greater you lower your expectations....the less dissapointed you'll be.

A couple of corrections:

--I use a cell phone where the reception is best....everyone does...so it's easy to see where NOT to sit in the terminal. (I'm convinced that cell phones only bother people because they cannot hear BOTH sides of the conversation).
--I usually read legal briefs when I get onboard so I can store them later. I doubt this interferes with the safety demo...
--My incredibly expensive ticket is 'thanks' enough....I am not a 'guest' of the airline...I am a PAYING CUSTOMER (and yes, treat me like one).

So basically, I guess I'm probably closer to Jhooper..than Zrs


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3648 times:

Greg, ".I am not a 'guest' of the airline...I am a PAYING CUSTOMER ...."

Zrs70's "code of conduct" seems mainly for the benefit of other passengers, not just the airline crew.

I always try to be considerate toward my fellow travelers, even to the crew.

Pete


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3634 times:

Greg:

My advice is directed primarily toward other passengers. We share space.



14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

I fully understand what you were saying. I just have a modified opionion. I am not advocating being rude or any such thing.

The nicest thing you can do to any other traveler is leave them alone--this essentially says: "I respect your privacy and space"
Nothing is worse than some busybody that wants to strike up a conversation.

But thank you for the response. Possibly my post was a bit stoic.
Brdgs.


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Respect the people around you.

I can't stand it when some ignorant guy decides to recline his seat all the way back. If he wants to recline a little bit, fine, go ahead.

Disgruntled passengers who are in terrible moods because they didn't get their free upgrade or they didn't get the full can and just b*tch at everything

Most importantly, not paying attention to the safety demo. Yeah, I probably have it memorized by now. I still listen to it though. Why? It can save my life.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineANA777master From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

You forgot:
-Wipe the turbulence piss off of the toilet
-Accept that others may be sick of hearing you talk
-Contain your brats, if you have them
-Don't defecate on the service cart



User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

-curb the flatulence
-don't over do it with perfume or cologne (see use soap below)
-don't suff up the toilet, ladies.
-use soap, mouthwash and shampoo.


[Edited 2003-04-26 01:07:48]

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

I can't stand it when some ignorant guy decides to recline his seat all the way back.

If you don't want people reclining back so close to you, get a seat up front. You know beforehand the seats recline, and people have the right to recline their seat to be comfortable.

I try not to be rude during the safety demo, but let's face it, when you have flown 20+ legs per month, you've got it down pat.

Steve


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Sllevin:

I fly about 150K/ year. I know the demo in my sleep. That doesn't mean the guy behind me knows it. And if I am reading during the PA, what kind of example does that set?



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

I wouldn't hold something to obstruct anyone's view, but I'm not there to set an example. This isn't class. It's a method of transportation.

And up front, it's typically all frequent flyers, who know the drill as well as I do.

I find the greatest annoyance to be people who somehow think they should set standards on behaviour. My recommendation is that they go charter a plane and be King on that. We don't need them bugging the rest of us.

Steve


User currently offlineAtenara From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3504 times:


Spill food in the magazine rack in front of your seat, for the next flight! steal the ashtrays - they wont be needing them if its a non-smoking sector (flight)
put crackers and peanuts inside the seats! with some cutlery cut the seats! use the newspapers and magazines as toilet papers and kindly give it back to the F/A when the flight lands or tuck it into the seat rack!

the most low off all! steal the life preserve jacket under your seat!


User currently offlineANA777master From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

I like the suggestion of quickly slamming your seat all the way back when the jerk behind you has just received his dinner/lunch. I approve of this behavior.

User currently offlineAroundtheworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 279 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

I posted this in the "jerk put his bag in my leg room and now I'm mad" topic however figured it'd be better off in this one...so here goes...

I had an incident on an international flight where the passenger behind me gave a couple good blows to the back of my seat when I tried to lean it back (after the meal was over) - she then yelled "keep it FORWARD" in this nasty foreign accent. After trying several times to lean back even a little bit at a time and being met by more blows to the back I figured I'd try again when she went to sleep. She made herself comfortable and managed to shove her foot in the area between the seat and the window and onto my armrest! That prompted me to lean my seat back again effectively trapping her foot. She started screaming and her large boyfriend threatened to "bash my fscking head in". I released her foot and a couple flight attendants came to find out what all the commotion was about....after I explained the situation they moved the couple behind me to some open seats at the rear of the plane.
In another similar incident a VERY large gentleman sitting next to me wanted me to raise the armrest as he literally couldn't fit without squeezing into his seat. I refused and an argument ensued. He eventually called a flight attendant and demanded he be moved to first class cause of the "rude passenger" who wouldn't let him raise the armrest. They moved me to first class instead.
Both these I suppose are similar examples where passengers took up others "space" in "buffer zones". How would you have handled these situations? Should I have kept my seat forward? Should I have let him...expand into my seat?


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3453 times:


Don't read a paper when cabin crew is doing the safety demo.

Let me say this: after seeing the same demo countless times over, whats the bloody point of seeing it again?

I prefer to take a look at the safety card adn i think thats enough.

-Roy


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

All of you wankers that don't pay attention to the safety-demo:
It is an OBLIGATION to pay attention to the demo. If you refuse to listen, the crew has the right to throw you off. If you do not know what to do, where to go to in case of an emergency evacuation, you will not only endanger your life, but also that of the other pax. and crew. If you don't want to pay attention to the cabin-crew, then take the bus.

A330



Shiek!
User currently offline767er From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

A330

Oh please...we have all seen the safety demo a thousand times. I could do it in my sleep. What are the chances of the plane crashing and surviving or landing in the middle fo the Pacific and getting to HNL or PPt in life raft!!!!!!!!!

That is a joke .......an obligation to pay attention to the safety demo!!!!!!!!



Aircraft flown:F27,Viscount. EMB120, SAAB340, ATR70, 737-200.737-300,DC8, DC10,747-100,747-200,747-300,747-400, A320, A3
User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
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Zrs70 I agree 100% with you!!! Great you brought up this topic!
some additions

- "Please" and "thanks" to a flight attendant never is a wrong gesture!
- Dress accordingly, (as you go out for dinner) ... no muscle shirts, no flip-flops...
- Don't make a complete mess with your meal!

Mario
LH526



Trittst im Morgenrot daher, seh ich dich im Strahlenmeer ...
User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

767er,

Are you a pilot then? Obviously not, because otherwise you would agree with me.
You WILL NOT be prepared for an evacuation if you haven't revised the procedure before the flight. I can guarantee that to you. Or do you think that these things haven't been tested in simulations?!
Poor sod, So full of it, thinking you are king of the plane because you fly a couple of times in a year.
It IS a legal requirement, the PIC (Pilot in Command) must ENSURE that all passengers are familiar with the safety briefing and procedures. If not, he is not legal. So if you refuse to put down your bloody paper or documents, he has the right to deplane you. Next time, take the ship to Asia, or wait a minute, there also, it is a legal requirement for ALL passengers to participate in the lifeboat drill during the first 24 hours of the voyage...

Planes don't normally crash during cruise but during Take-off and landing. And contrary to popular belief, most of them ARE surviveable if people would have paid attention to the crew before the flight. FACT.

A330
(flown the A319/20/21 flies A330 and A340)



Shiek!
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3335 times:

Oh please...we have all seen the safety demo a thousand times. I could do it in my sleep.

That's exactly the problem. It's always the smart-arses who treat the safety demo like a scratched record who end up scrabbling for the safety card if the balloon goes up.

It's not about remembering the words. It's about taking the time to check how particular doors open, whether there's a separate slide inflator, making a solid mental note of where the nearest exit is (God, have I heard some stories on that little gem), spending a few seconds counting how many seat rows there are between you and the door (did you think about that one?), and refreshing yourself generally about the procedure.

I once sat through a frighteningly realistic decompression situation at the SAS Academy. It wasn't until afterwards that I realised that my mask had been loose - because in all the confusion I'd clean forgotten that little instruction about tightening it. And I'm someone who studies air accidents for a living, and has seen the safety demo a zillion times.

When I fly, I always make the effort to listen to the drill. Not just as a matter of courtesy - one day that extra bit of preparation might save my life.

Incidentally, how many of you walk through the emergency evacuation route when you check into a hotel? Ever looked up how many people die in hotel fires every year because they don't know the way out? Same difference.


User currently offline2000first From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Just out of interest, I have seen cabin crew on several EasyJet flights tell specific passengers in the cabin to "please do not talk; listen to the safety demo" if they have been talking throughout. This usually results in a red faced passenger and a smirk from me!  Smile

User currently offlineAA 777 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 807 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3301 times:
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Heres the Non-rev view of flying

1. Pray that there is a first class seat left
2. Always the last on
3. Treat the flight crew nice because after all you both work for the same company
4. Pleases and thank you's
5. DRESS NICE! (thats a pet peeve of mine)
6. Dont make the flight crew go nuts because your not even paying for you seat
7. Visit Cockpit apon landing

AA 777
Matt



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

When flying, I just want quiet. I flew this last week, and I think I said I maximum total of 10 words to the passengers sitting next to me on three flights (and this was a simple Excuse me to go to the lav and a thank you for their moving). I don't really listen to the safety announcements because I know all that crap. I know where the emergency exits are, I know how to put my seatbelt on, I know how to put on an oxygen mask, I know that there is lighting along the aisle(s), with white lights leading to red lights (exits), I know there is a life vest under my seat, I know that my seat is a flotation device, etc. Why listen to it again when I can watch various aircraft movements while taxiing. That is much more intriguing to me.

I also don't like these ripped clothes people. I always wear a golf shirt and slacks minimum, with sneakers (if on a leisure trip) or dress shoes (if on business). I always try and look mildly professional (the only reason I wear sneakers is that I have the metal support rods in my dress shoes which set off the alarms and cause a delay to me; or I have to use the paper flip-flops, which I don't like).

I normally poke my head in the deck before or after flight for no more than 3 minutes. I try to go prior to flight, where I try to get briefed on the flight (ie route, altitude, etc.). Never been bothered with this request.

When using my cell phone, I too go for the reception. You can't really conduct business in a place where there is so much static that you hear every 5 words on the other end of the line. At the airport, I often will use one of the pay-phone booths to make a call so I don't disturb people, but I have the right to make a cell phone call while in the terminal, and while on the aircraft provided that the door is open. I would rather get my business done at this time than pay $10/minute while in the air.

Jeff


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Oh please...we have all seen the safety demo a thousand times. I could do it in my sleep.

Okay, all you guys, I recall an accident int he UK back in the 80's involving a 737 where many people were killed needlessly; and one of the points made is that people opened doors they shouldn't have because of smoke and flame and others didn't know how to maipulate the other doors and safety features either. So all of us million milers have heard the drill and know where the exits are from a 747 to an 880, but that doesn't mean the pax in the seats near us know that as well. So paper readers and others who feel they are too imporatnat for such an intrusion etc give up the few minutes it takes to be quite during the briefing, since all our lives may depend on it...  Pissed


25 Zrs70 : I suppose that in my profession, as I spend a lot of time giving speeches, I can empathise with the FA when people pay no attention. Imagine doing a d
26 DeltAirlines : I do let the others watch the briefing...I normally read a magazine, and when I fly, I always fold the paper twice (in a fold akin to the way you purc
27 Kevi747 : This is the nicest post ever. We need more people like Zrs70 in the world. I think if more people thought the same way he does air travel could really
28 767er : Kevi747 1/Check in early if you want your favourite seat. Look presentable - don’t dress as if you were going to the beach. Be nice to the check
29 Kevi747 : I like your list too, 767er!! I'll be sure to follow those rules next Saturday when I fly Qantas to Aukland. See ya
30 UALPHLCS : I have to admit that I wish the traveling public where more courteous today. Remember that courtesy was invented to keep us from killing one another w
31 Post contains images 727_Gal : this topic is great, a real breath of fresh air... as for the safety demo, i too could most likely recite it in my sleep, but i nearly always watch it
32 Aroundtheworld : I at least make an effort to make it look like I'm half interested in the safety demo, if anything out of respect to the person giving it. On a NW fl
33 Erfly : As far as paying attention to the safety demo, you folks say you've heard it a hundred times. You can do it in your sleep. Well I do it for a living.
34 J_hallgren : Re: Ticket in mouth --- I often have items in both hands when boarding so I put my ready-to-go paperwork in my shirt pocket and just tell agent to tak
35 Steede : My biggest pet peeves involve the smells. Some people just don't have good hygiene practices and they simply stink. Somebody mentioned passing KFC chi
36 Post contains images SWALUVFA : You know, people always wish that PAN AM, the old TWA, Eastern, and Piedmont were still around. But those were during the days when people dressed nic
37 Nonrevman : But those were during the days when people dressed nicely to fly, had good etiquette, and when air travel was a privledge and a special event. Now tha
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