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Airline With The Largest Foreign Hub?  
User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

I know UA's @ NRT is large ... who else ?

rw774477

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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

IB at MIA.

Patrick


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

NW at NRT is also big,but not in the same league as UA,AFAIK.

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

What about Ryanair at STN?About 26 planes based now.

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

SQ at AMS maybe?
I am also going with NW at NRT



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

What about Ryanair at STN?About 26 planes based now.

You are correct, Alex. That reminds me also of FR`s hub at HHN.

Patrick


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

I would say NW at AMS. Since NW is a US carrier, they ops many flights from the US to AMS.

Leo/ORD



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

NW at NRT is also big,but not in the same league as UA

IINM, Northwest is actually larger than United at Tokyo.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3502 times:
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It would have to be NW at AMS and NRT.



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

That reminds me also of FR`s hub at HHN
HHN is the only FR base that I can see rivalling STN in size in the future especially if HHN gets some decent transport links to the city it's meant to represent!


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Well here's the UA/NW debate:

United at NRT:
15 daily departures
BKK
HKG
HNL
ICN 2x
JFK
LAX
ORD 2x
PEK
SEA
SIN
SFO 2x
TPE

Northwest at NRT:
21 Daily Departures
BKK
DTW 2x
GUM
HKG
HNL 2x
ICN
JFK
KHH
LAX
MNL
MSP
PEK
PUS
PVG
SEA
SFO
SIN
SPN
TPE

Northwest at AMS:
10 daily departures
BOM
BOS
DTW 3x
EWR
IAD
MSP 2x
SEA



User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Its interesting that you mention Ryanair's hubs (focus cities or whatever you want to call them) in various European cities outside of Ireland........are such operations really foriegn hubs for Ryanair? Is Ryanair an Irish carrier, or is it a "EUROPEAN" carrier? If you consider Ryanair European, and you consider operations with the EU as domestic under the theory of one Europe, their operations outside of Ireland are still techinically domestic.

Although the "tradtional" European carriers have been very cautious about operating flights within or between European countries other than their home(KLM for example has not introduced service between Madrid and Rome), the lower fare and charter carriers are actively expanding their markets. Ryanair is one, EasyJet is operating between cities within France, Virgin Express (Belgian) opened service between AMS and Nice (France), etc, etc.


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3350 times:
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Its interesting that you mention Ryanair's hubs (focus cities or whatever you want to call them) in various European cities outside of Ireland........are such operations really foriegn hubs for Ryanair? Is Ryanair an Irish carrier, or is it a "EUROPEAN" carrier? If you consider Ryanair European, and you consider operations with the EU as domestic under the theory of one Europe, their operations outside of Ireland are still techinically domestic.

Suprised you mentioned this. Ryanair is an Irish registered airline, so operating anywhere outside of Ireland then it is foreign.




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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

A minor one would be Air New Zealand at LAX...

Greg



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

NZ doesnt hub at LAX at all... they use it as a 5th freedom stopover point on a continuing flight.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Concerning Air New Zealand at LAX, they really did do a min-hub type of operation in the past, at least on certain days of the week: flights would arrive from LHR and FRA and pax would transfer to flights going on to SYD, AKL, HNL and the pacific islands. The system would also operate in reverse. I flew NZ between LHR and LAX and changed flights at LAX and once went on to Hawaii and another time to Tahiti.......on the return, I flew SYD to LAX once and Fiji to LAX once, and both times transferred at LAX to the London flight.......on all occassions, different aircraft, different flight numbers, no overnight at LAX, etc, etc,......just like a real hub.

With NZ dropping their own services to FRA (they code share with Star partner LH on the FRA-LAX route) and now stopping nonstop flights between LAX and SYD in order to focus on the LAX-AKL route, maybe their LAX operation works differently.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

NZ @ LAX is still a hub, although a mini one.
LHR pax can connect to APW/NAN/PPT/RAR or stay onboard to AKL or take another LAX-AKL flight.

You could also say QF has a similar operation for the LAX-JFK and eventual ORD extentions.


User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

I would also say Qantas/British Airways at Singapore:

SYD x 3
MEL x 2
BNE x 2
PER x 2
DRW/ADL*
HKG
LHR x 4
FRA
CDG*
FCO*
CGK*
DPS*

+CNS if you include Australian Airlines

* not daily service

(apologies if the numbers are slightly out, just working from memory -plus have just flown back from Australia today and feeling very jetlagged!!  Smile )


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Actually, in terms of # flights it might be AA at YYZ.

Not a hub per se, but AA has 22 daily mainlines to YYZ, plus 4 Am Eagle. Total 26.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

I think it's almost definitely Northwest at NRT. Using the example of Ryanair is tempting, but a good argument can be made that Ryanair is really a "European domestic" carrier, as the combined airspace of the EU can essentially be regarded as a single entity.

Here's my amateur ranking of some foreign hubs, from biggest to smallest.

Northwest at NRT
United at NRT
Qantas at Singapore
Iberia at Miami
Qantas at Los Angeles

Historically, Delta and Pan Am had large hubs in Frankfurt, while United used to have a large hub operation at London-Heathrow.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

A lot of the US-based airlines have large focus cities in Canada and Mexico. Another example is Alaska Airlines at YVR. While they don't hub there, this summer AS will operate 14 daily flights and Horizon will have 18 daily flights providing the Alaska Air Group with 32 flights a day. Quite a large presence at a foreign airport.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6124 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Alaska does also have a " Boardroom" our MVP lounge in YVR now also. So I'd go with a small hub at YVR. Good call Spy -ASSFO


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User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

QANTAS at Singapore is quite large

User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

AI at LHR? AI ops lots of flights to LHR for points facing the US and India...

Leo/ORD
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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5069 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

LanChile and it's associated carriers LanPeru, LanEcuador and LanDominicanas will or will soon operate hubs at Lima, Guayaquil and Santo Domingo.

Also, Grupo Taca? Based in El Salvador, hubs in San Jose and a smaller one in Guatemala City. Would this count, I'm not quite sure how the ownership of the group is organised? Would it be considered a transnational airline?

TWA used to have a decent sized mini-hub at CDG.



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Finnair has a pretty sizeable hub at Stockholm ARN, in terms of number of daily flights, its high up there.

regards

MIke


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