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Flying Before The Wright Brothers?  
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

An interesting and recurrent topic:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134684326_wright27.html

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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6277 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2175 times:

The Wright brothers caveat being "powered, manned, controlled" flight. Many flew one or 2 of these prior to the Wrights but the Wrights were the first with all three.


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineOz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2149 times:

Sorry IMiss Piedmont but....

Richard Pearse in Canterbury, New Zealand is documented as having made a " powered, controlled, manned" flight before thwe Wright Brothers.

Seems his aircraft was a "puller" rather that a "pusher" and also used a rough aerloron rather than the Wrights rudder for directional control.

Due to the remoteness of the location, and the time it took for the news to travel to the rest of the World, it was never fully acknowleged.
(much like the US media of today  Smile )

But it was documented, and a replica of another of his aircraft is still on display at the Museum of Transport and Technology (MoTaT) Auckland.

Oz777


User currently offlineYKM97Y From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2122 times:

I've heard of Pearse's flights being discounted because they essentially were takeoffs from a hill with descent (though under power) to lower elevations. The Wrights' flights actually gained altitude under power, something that distinguished their powered flights from the the glider flights they'd made in previous years. Based on the Seattle Times article mentioned above, it sounds like Pearse felt somewhat similarly, and didn't challenge the Wrights' claim to be first.

Pete


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Umm, Pete. Pearce made his flights on the Canterbury Plains.
There are no hills of any note for miles around.  Insane


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6277 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2011 times:

I'd like to see that documentation. I've seen several articles but nothing I'd place my money on. All seem to have emerged after December 3, 1903 with no photos or impartial witnesses. Not that it could not have happened, just no reliable info exists, Legends do not count.


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Oz, your hero didn't have anyone there at the time to provide independent documentation of his feat.
Therefore it's not acknowledged, he could just have made up his story for all we know.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

From my humble knowledge, I can only remember Americans who do regard the first flight belonging to the Wright Brothers.

Americans are very found of concrete evidence... Well, the first public flying apperance was held in Paris, in 1906, by Santos Dumont. Sounds more concrete than written reports and pictures that could even be fake!



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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

"I can only remember Americans who do regard the first flight belonging to the Wright Brothers... pictures that could even be fake... - ??? Meaning, created in Hollywood? Kinda fake moon landing, yeah?  Smile

BTW, ever heard of the "Mozhajskij airplane"? Powered by steam engine. FYI, this was the first flight ever, in 19th century! Big grin


User currently offlineOz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

jwenting

I acknowlege that Pearse could have made up his claims, however the circumstantial evidence suggests very differently.

Pearse was a 'rocket scientist'. He invented a number of items, clearly advanced for their time, and was regarded by many as a bit eccentric. His constant 'experiments' soon lost their novelty value to the local population and hence there was no 'notable' eyewitnesses to the original flight.

According to several statements later recorded, there were a number of children present, but their testimony was discounted as children at that time and in the context of the culture then extant, had no real credibility.

Again the anecdotal evidence is: Pearse certainly built his aircraft before the Wright Brothers. Subsequent analysis has proved that it was certainly capable of powered flight, including take-off (using strong winds, a feature of Canterbury at certain times of the year). Pearse, once he proved he could fly, then set about designing improved versions that bore little resemblance to the Wright Bros designs.

The evidence is certainly quite compelling. Retaining an open mind about it, I think in all probability Pearse was the first to fly - just that the location (its remoteness, in a country far from anything else) mitigated against global acclaim.

Kiwis are an inventive lot - just look at who was the first to split the atom (Lord Rutherford) - and who just happened to make it to the top of Everst first (Hillary). Neither of them had a Hollywood set to record (or fake) their achievements either.

Oz777


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