Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
US Army Charter Aircraft During Vietnam  
User currently offlineUsa4624 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 266 posts, RR: 1
Posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

What type / airlines did the US Military use during the Vietnam war? I imagine they'd be the DC 8 and 747, but am not sure when they first entered service.

I've seen everything from a Pan Am L1011 in 'Last Flight Out,' and a United DC8 in 'Good Morning Vietnam,' but I do not know how authentic these are.

Thank you for your time and assistance.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


8 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinePacificflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

The movie Last Flight Out was misleading. In reality the aircraft that was used was a 747. Pan Am made a few regular flights in and out of Siagon prior to the last flight out and was one of the last foreign company to leave South Vietnam. New York kept asking "When do you plan to leave?" Al topping, Pan Am's station manager replies, "I don't know yet. We're operating a 747 with a lot of seats on it and people are still buying tickets, so let's keep flying." Flight 841 feft Guam for Saigon via Manila on 22 April 1975 with only 19 passengers on board the 747. On the way back there was only 91 passengers out of Saigon on the next to last flight. Then tension grew more and more as the North Vietnamese army came close to the airport. 24 April was the final flight out, FAA announced that Tan Son Nhut became too dagerous for commercial aircraft. After negotiationw with the Air Force and State Department PA841 became an Air Force mercy flight known as Special Air Mission 1965/31 Evacuation Charter MNL/SGN/MNL. A wire was recieved from FAA regarding the configuration for the 747 for evacuation, lifting seat restrictions and certain emergency procedures:
REFERENCE MT 231330 HEREWITH APPROVED PROCEDURES FOR PASSENGER CARRIAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE WAIVED
ONE/FICL SEATS 2 PASSENGERS PER DOUBLE SEAT 1 PASSENGER ON FLOOR BETWEEN EACH ROW /BACK TO WALL FEET TO AISLE/REMAINING PASSENGERS ON FLOOR WHERE SPACE AVAILABLE STOP
TWO/ECONOMY AREA 10 ABREAST CONFIGURATION INCREASE EY BY 10 PER CENT 3 PAX PER TRIPLE SEAT 3 PAX PER DOUBLE SEAT/RETRACT ARM RESTS 5 PAX ABREAST IN CENTER SECTION OF SEATS/RETRACT ARM RESTS
THREE/LOAD 28 PAX IN UPPER LOUNGE CMA AFTER ALL SEATS OCCUPIED REMAINDER OF PAX ON FLOOR
FOUR/MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PASSENGERS BASED ON ABOVE PROCEDURES AND USING CONFIG 30/370 IS TOTAL 495 PASSENGERS STOP
FIVE/BASIC LIMITATIONS OBSERVE NORMAL WEIGHT AND BALANCE LIMITS SEAT BELT REQUIREMENTS ARE WAIVED EMERGENCY REQUIREMENTS ARE WAIVED EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE WAIVED DO NOT ADD LIFE VESTS/LIFT RAFTS/OXYGEN FOR ADDITIONAL PAX NO LIMITATIONS FOR INFANTS IN ARMS OR SMALL CHILDREN IN LAPS
SIX/ALL ABOVE WITH CONCURRANCE OF CREW AND EVACUACUEES STOP


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Eastern used DC-8-63s extensively for MAC charters.

User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3697 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3750 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I remember seeing on the news a 727 taking off with the airstairs still down with people clinging on to them and the u/carriage. As the a/c climbed away you saw these people being blown off.

User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

The 727 belonged to World Airways. The plane was carrying far more people than there were seats (270!). The airstairs were eventually retracted, but the main gear had to be left down because of a stowaway lodged in one of the wells (the nose gear was retracted, though). One of the wings also sustained damage from a grenade. Certainly a testament to the strength of the design.

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © John P. Stewart


Read the following stories:
http://www.afa.org/magazine/April2000/0400saigon.html

A C-5A Galaxy was not nearly as lucky. Despite the pilot's heroic attempt to bring the stricken aircraft (control cables severed after massive in-flight decompression) back, the plane crashed, killing many children on board. I still remember reading about that tragic incident.



The aeroplane has unveiled for us the true face of the earth. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

I also found this interesting Web site on Air America:
http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/AirAmerica/Best/AirAmerica.htm



The aeroplane has unveiled for us the true face of the earth. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6277 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

CO had an almost daily Travis AFB-HNL-GUM-SGN flight using 707s. Flying Tiger, Seaboard World, Trans International and World were other large MAC charter carriers. The most common aircraft were the 707-300 and DC-8-63. The 747 was somewhat rare for ingress nut common in late 1974 and 1975 for the evacuation.


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3712 times:

For pictures of the actual plane, click here (article is in Portuguese):
http://727.assintel.com.br/hist/esp5.htm
Amazingly, the aircraft is still flying, as a freighter for UPS (according to Bill Harms's Web site)! The same plane in earlier guises:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Johan Ljungdahl



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Torsten Maiwald



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © John P. Stewart




The aeroplane has unveiled for us the true face of the earth. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
User currently offlineErj-145mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

I was on a Branif International B707 out of Travis AFB in 1969, and I saw at least one Southern Air Transport B727 Combi (cargo in the front, PAX in the aft) from Andersen AFB, Guam, to Tan Son Nhut and Cam Ran Bay.

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
US Army Charter Flights In 1983 posted Mon Jun 6 2005 22:28:20 by FrancoBlanco
US Heritage PS Aircraft Gets Wider Smile posted Thu Apr 13 2006 20:37:29 by FLYAWA
The Never Ending PSA/US Airways Heritage Aircraft posted Thu Apr 6 2006 00:46:13 by AirframeAS
US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners posted Tue Feb 14 2006 04:57:52 by Tappan
Any US-based DHL Aircraft Still In White? posted Tue Nov 29 2005 17:58:54 by Lindy Field
UK Charter Aircraft. Where They Going This Winter? posted Sun Nov 20 2005 21:14:52 by Gilesdavies
Baggage Crushed On Tarmac By Aircraft During Taxi posted Mon Oct 17 2005 13:36:44 by Joshdean
What Happens To Aircraft During Off-peak Periods? posted Wed Oct 5 2005 19:52:34 by Juventus
Aviaco DC8 Charter Flights During 80s posted Fri Aug 12 2005 12:31:30 by Orion737
Highly Configured British Charter Aircraft posted Sun Jan 16 2005 18:02:59 by Orion737