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Air India To Increase EWR Flights Yet Again  
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Air India will introduce a FIFTH weekly service to Newark from July 4, marking a 50% increase in available seat miles on India-US routes in the last 8 months.

The new flight will operate on Fridays using Boeing 747-400 aircraft. The flights currently operate on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Newark flights have been an overwhelming success for Air India, as can be shown by this second increase in capacity after less than a year of operation.

Air India will now offer over 6500 weekly direct seats between India and the United States - more than all other carriers on the route combined. In addition to 5x weekly Newark EWR flights via Paris CDG, the carrier also operates daily services to New York JFK and 3x weekly services to Chicago ORD both via London LHR.

This increase will also make Air India the LARGEST CARRIER in the Newark to Paris market, a remarkable feat for a new entrant. Air India will now offer 2115 weekly seats compared to 1981 weekly seats offered by Continental and 1764 weekly seats offered by Air France.

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16891 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

"This increase will also make Air India the LARGEST CARRIER in the Newark to Paris market, a remarkable feat for a new entrant"

?..

CO flies twice "DAILY" between EWR and CDG with 767s and 777s, also AF flies "DAILY" between EWR and CDG with 777s.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

CO flies once daily between EWR and CDG with a 283 seater 777.

AF also flies once daily between EWR and CDG with a 252 seater 343.

AI's 744s will seat 12-26-385 in the new configuration with the flat beds in First and the new slumberettes in Business.

Do the math.


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

STT757 - I think Air India will offer more seats on the route than any other airline. They use Boeing 747-400 on each flight.

Good to see Air India doing so good again and getting back to it's glory days we use to see back in the good days.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

-437B,

I have a question regarding Air India. I noticed that they have a relatively small fleet of aircraft particularly 747. How does Air India (or other similarly sized carrier) compensate when one of their aircraft is in for a C-check or D-check? Do they reduce their schedule, lease an aircraft, utilize the other aircraft more?


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

 Smile You beat me to it B747-437B.

B747-437B Does AI serve Paris from Mumbai or Delhi?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16891 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

CO flies twice daily to CDG from EWR, the reduction to one flight was temporary due to the Iraq war.

Begining this month,

CO # 58 777 departs EWR daily for CDG at 6:15PM

CO # 54 767-200 departs EWR daily for CDG at 10:05Pm.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

I noticed that they have a relatively small fleet of aircraft particularly 747. How does Air India (or other similarly sized carrier) compensate when one of their aircraft is in for a C-check or D-check?

AI has 7 Boeing 747-400s in the active fleet right now, with an 8th to follow from Korean Air in the mid-term future. Each US rotation is just short of 48 hours, giving them a capacity of 3 weekly rotations each even with 24 hours of scheduled maintenance downtime. That leaves plenty of spare capacity for 15 weekly US rotations even with one aircraft down.

Does AI serve Paris from Mumbai or Delhi?

Paris is served nonstop from BOM with 744s. AI also codeshares on Air France flights from both BOM and DEL to Paris.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

CO flies twice daily to CDG from EWR, the reduction to one flight was temporary due to the Iraq war.

I don't know where you are getting your info, but the CRS systems all show a single CO flight EWR-CDG in July namely CO 56 at 1815 hrs daily with a 777.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Thanks. C and D-checks last up to 60 days from what I understand. What about during those extended periods?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

The second EWR-CDG frequency has been suspended indefinitley from what I have heard.


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User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

"This increase will also make Air India the LARGEST CARRIER in the Newark to Paris market, a remarkable feat for a new entrant. Air India will now offer 2115 weekly seats compared to 1981 weekly seats offered by Continental and 1764 weekly seats offered by Air France."


You're forgetting one thing here my friend, most of the passengers on the AI flight are not getting off in Paris, matter of fact, I'd be damned if AI actually sold the entire B747-400 from EWR with Paris bound passengers only, so in actuality, they are not offering the most weekly seats from EWR-CDG, because more than 3/4 of the passengers will never set foot out of the the airport at CDG.


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Does Air India and Air France code-share on the EWR-CDG route also?

Does Air France object to Air India offering more seats on the route than AF does. If so can they ask the government to decrease the number of seats AI uses on the route.


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Hussain has put in on record that EWR will soon be daily. He said this to a news channel. Dunno if there is enough traffic for that!

Sean: Is AI considering other points in the US like ATL or IAD? And the West Coast? AI has no services there at all except a codeshare with SQ.

-Roy


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

most of the passengers on the AI flight are not getting off in Paris, matter of fact

Maybe so, but again most of the passengers on the CO flight did not originate at EWR either but rather at some point downline - and most of the passengers on the AF flight won't get off in Paris but rather connect to elsewhere in the system. Why is that any different from folks flying on to India?


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Hussain has put in on record that EWR will soon be daily.

The plan always was for EWR to go daily in the long term, but everyone is surprised at how well the flight is doing and just how soon this will become viable.

Is AI considering other points in the US like ATL or IAD? And the West Coast? AI has no services there at all except a codeshare with SQ.

Neither ATL or IAD are approved gateways under the bilateral. Also, AI serves both LAX and SFO under codeshares/blocked seats with SQ, MH and OZ. Finally, there are tentative plans to start LAX services through NRT and/or LHR if and when slots, authorities and planes become available.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

B747,

as you've stated; AI has a plethora of unused rights into the USA via other countries.... but have they considered a nonstop to any of its current destinations, particularly in the event that a competitor launches a nonstop (similar to what UA almost did)?


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

I wish Air India came to San Francisco or Vancouver. Vancouver I think has a bigger market for Air India than San Francisco.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

have they considered a nonstop to any of its current destinations, particularly in the event that a competitor launches a nonstop

Air India has made it very clear that they will NOT be launching a nonstop except as a competitive response. United's planned ORD-DEL flight was a joke that no one at AI took seriously. I've posted in great technical detail on Flyertalk why that flight could never have been operated the way UAL wanted to run it and hence why it bit the dust once UAL actually decided to try and make money again. Meanwhile, neither Delta nor Northwest has expressed any intention to run India-US nonstop flights so things will likely remain this way ad infinitum.


User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4163 times:

Why not start a nonstop NYC-DEL?
Is it technically too far? Is there any plane that could do this distance? I would think this would be popular for many people.

If anyone could explain this in detail- I would appreciate it. It seem clear to me that NYC can support a direct flight to India.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4155 times:

Why not start a nonstop NYC-DEL?

Because it is more efficient to run the flight with one stop. Simple as that.


User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4146 times:

B747-437B,
That doesn't sound more efficient to me! If 80% of the people are going to India on these flights, how could it be more efficient to stopover in Europe?

Does Air India really make that much money carrying cargo/pax from NYC to CDG/LHR? I would think that they would get more usage out of their airplanes if they didn't have a 2 hour layover in Europe in each direction.

Of course, I don't pretend to know much about this- so more details from anyone wuld be nice. If stopovers are efficient in this case, can you explain?


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4129 times:

UA ALPA killed ORD-DEL non-stop from what I understand.

User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4123 times:

Yes I'm curious as well to know why you said that it's more efficient, and why it's the case. Surely, there is enough demand for both direct passenger & cargo flights between India & the USA, yet there are no direct flights between the two countries (or at least, not very many, as perhaps other airlines do India – US direct?) and without doubt, it’s more efficient to run the operation without any stops!! They’ve also been able to capture the lucrative traffic between the US & Europe (e.g. LHR-JFK-LHR).

Does it have anything to do with lack of aircraft? Maybe they don’t have enough aircraft to fly to both Europe & the US, so they combine the flights? But I find this scenario unlikely, as I don’t understand why it’s taken them so long to get the necessary aircraft (i.e. additional 747s or 777s).

I’m not really very informed on the Indian aviation industry (as both an Indian and an aviation enthusiast, I ought to get more up-to-date!) so maybe I have overlooked other factors that I’m not very knowledgeable on (such as the internal slowness of the airline's management, or political wrangling over aircraft orders?).

Regards,
Hkg82.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4086 times:

US-LHR traffic rights have to be one of AI's most valuable assets. They get to do something that NW, DL, US, and CO would love to do but cannot. So would BMI. There is serious money involved and AI would be dumb to pass LHR in either direction without a stop.

I noticed on a trip to India that AI extensively uses fifth-freedom rights on several of routes. It's a good gig. For instance, their flight from DEL-NRT stops in BKK. JAL flies the route non-stop. Flights to KIX were via HKG although AI has the equipment to fly it non-stop as well.


25 Post contains images Hkg82 : Many airlines would love to do LHR-JFK-LHR. Singapore Airlines has been wanting to do LHR-JFK-LHR for years but the British Government has not given t
26 PW100 : Not sure what fellow member -437B posted on flyer talk. However the principle is that [ultra] long haul flights are in-efficient. Period. Let say you
27 United777 : Sean why was the proposed United Airlines ORD-DEL non-stop route a joke. If it wasnt for 9.11 I think the route would have been flying today. Same as
28 N79969 : PW100, Very good points. In the case of a PW-powered 744, the airline would have to buy the PIP for the engines for such a long route.
29 B747-437B : why was the proposed United Airlines ORD-DEL non-stop route a joke This is a quote of what I posted on Flyertalk on August 15, 2001. Summer operations
30 Post contains images United777 : Damm it. All I want is a non-stop flight from US to India.
31 N79969 : -437B, UA bought performance-improvement-packages (PIP) from Pratt for some of their 744s. Did your numbers incorporate that? The pilots killed the ro
32 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : How do Indian politics generally feel toward runway (and airport) expansion? My guess would be about as "well" as all others
33 Jaysit : Just did the EWR-CDG-BOM route on Air India's Executive Class on VT-ESO (Khajuraho). There were only 7 of us on the upper deck of a 744 all the way to
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