Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Shortest Runways With Sched. Transoceanic Service?  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Anyone know the airport with the shortest runway to have scheduled nonstop transAtlantic service; as well as the shortest runway to have scheduled nonstop transPacific service as well?


I'd imagine SAN has to be a forerunner for the former case. Anyone?

28 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

San Diego's runway is 9400' long. Do they have service from Asia? I'm not sure. I'd guess the British Airways flight is the longest distance arrival there.

But for a short, pucker factor inducing runway, nothing in my mind beats Kahului airport (OGG) in Maui, Hawaii. Only 7000' long with a good down slope toward the ocean (the usual landing direction), plus winds gusting over 30 knots a LOT of the time, means it takes the cake in the short runway-hot brakes-burnt rubber-"Jeez the end of the runway is coming up fast" sweepstakes.

Add the facts that most of the pilots flying there don't come in regularly, and that approach control thinks nothing of telling you to do a short slam-dunk approach, and that there's a 10,000 ft. mountain on one side and a 4000' mountain on the other side, and that those mountains and wind combine to cause constant teeth rattling turbulence to touchdown, and I think OGG wins the award (from a pilot's perspective at least).

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Oops, almost forgot: CLE's Rwy6R/24L is only 8999ft long; yet features nonstop transatlantic service to LGW.


User currently offlineLionel From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

SXM has a 7000' long runway and direct flights to CDG!

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

A lot of the caribbean airports have runways that would be considered short in the US. Grenada is only 9000, and the first post talked about SAN being 9400 and it being short  Smile I dont know the exact length but airports such as TAB, SXM, MBJ etc have runways that a bit shorter than 9000. All of the above have international transatlantic flights.. Airlines using equippment like A330;s, A340's. B777, B747. In fact we had the concorde once in Grenada a few years ago...I was a marketing thing i believe, because that was the one and only time it came here  Smile


There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 2319 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

I am not sure of the exact length but I dont think Glasgow EGPF has one of the longest runways and has regular scheduled transatlantic 767-300/A330 and now 777 flights with occasional charter 747's. Must be long enough or they wouldnt use it!!

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Just a guess. . .St. Maarten?


Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineI LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

I would need to agree with HAL about OGG.

HAL, what's going on with the OGG runway expansion plans if that is still a viable option.


User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Runway 9/27 (mostly departures/arrivals on 9, though) at BOS is 7,000 feet and regularly sees transatlantic departures and arrivals (I hear the departures overhead at my apartment  Big grin)

User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Correct, SXM does receive transoceanic heavies. But they don't have oceanic flights departing from there. When the heavies take off from SXM, they make a fuel stop a fuel stop somewhere else in the Caribbean whose rwys can safely let a heavily fueled aircraft take off for a flight across the Atlantic, for example Santo Domingo, Dom. Rep.

User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2118 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

SAN with its displaced threshold actually only has about 7200 or feet for landings so the Virgin 747 from London has a tight fit!
Interesting article on SAN in this months Airliners magazine with pictures showing the 1800 foot displacement on the threshold.



The Original Coronado: First CV jet flights RG CV 990 July 1965; DL CV 880 July 1965; Spantax CV990 Feb 1973
User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

what about BHX? that must be amongst the shortest runways with transatlantic service?


Saint Augustine- 'The world is a book and those who do not travel, read only 1 page'
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

what about BHX? that must be amongst the shortest runways with transatlantic service?
First thought that came in to my head!AA had problems there getting a decent payload off to ORD.


User currently offlineLionel From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Fritzi, thats not correct. The 747 has to do a fuelstop somewhere but the AF A340 flies from SXM to CDG nonstop.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2066 times:


In the summer PVD has weekly service on two carriers to Ponta Delgada in the Azores. The aircraft is a weekly A330 op by Air Luxor, and a weekly A310 by SATA. the runway they depart from is only 7,166 ft, and the A330 has landed on the crosswind on occasion which is only 6081.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offline762er From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Yea, AA is now flying OGG-ORD nonstop. That's a long way for a 7,000 ft. rwy. Those Maui coast winds can really howl. The most satisfying landing I ever had was flying into rwy 2 at OGG in a C172, winds 350 at 25 gusts to 35. You really had to go opposite aileron/rudder. It was intense.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

BHX's main runway, 15/33, is 8500 ft. I believe...

Greg




Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
User currently offlineC72 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Does Aloha 737-700 service between SNA and HNL count? SNA is 5700ft.

User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Lionel,

My bad, thanks for correcting me. I forgot that they had switched to the beautiful aircraft with 4 APU´s. Big grin


User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

I remember hearing BOH a few weeks/months ago had a transoceanic flight which struggled until the last moment to take off due to the short runway.... believe it was an EAL 742, could be wrong ... can anyone clarify?
Regards
Shaun



All together or not at all
User currently offlineNeednewairport From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1893 times:

Nope, no Asia flights from SAN. However, we have almost daily BA nonstop service to London with a 777. Gosh that thing is huge compared to everything else at SAN. Virgin flies their 744's here, that is news to me.

User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1887 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

You are right BA is in SAN--however the artcile in Airliners was saying that Virgin had been talking about bringing in their 747's there. I don't know if this is out of consideration now or now in light of the current conditions in air travel, particularly international


The Original Coronado: First CV jet flights RG CV 990 July 1965; DL CV 880 July 1965; Spantax CV990 Feb 1973
User currently offlineBhxforever From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1870 times:

How come AA had problems from BHX when carriers such as AMM, BY, and MYT all operate non stop to destinations in the Caribbean and Florida, with considerably more passengers on board (190 vs 300+) when ORD is closer so less fuel would be carried aswell!

User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1851 times:

LIH has a 6500' runway. UA has 757 service to LAX and SFO from LIH.

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

HA_DC-9,
LIH is shorter, but it's only 757's going there. OGG has everything up to 777's, and that's a lot of plane for such a short runway.

I LOVE EWR,
Last I heard, the local population shot down the OGG runway extension in a vote last year. The ground is already graded & cleared, and all it would take is a little asphalt - but I don't think it'll happen any time soon.

HAL




One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
25 I LOVE EWR : Thanks again HAL for the reply. Yeah I saw how the ground was already graded and cleared. I hope that the short runway is not creating that much of a
26 HAL : I can't say how much of a safety hazard it really is. I do know we're always really careful there. My guess is that if there will be an overrun accide
27 AWA22 : Could a 747 make it to LHR from SAN non-stop with a full load? BA always said they did the stop in PHX because of this and I know that BA's 744 was a
28 Post contains images Konrad : Krakow KRk/EPKK has a 8366' (2550m) runway and scheduled non-stop LOT(LO) service to Chicago ORD operated with B767-300 and -200 aircraft. The distanc
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Shortest Runway With Commercial Service In The U.S posted Wed Aug 24 2005 22:55:14 by MFEFlyer
What Is Going On With Iberia’s Customer Service? posted Sat Dec 2 2006 05:37:15 by Cafa
Shortest Runway With ILS? (In The UK) posted Sun Sep 10 2006 01:35:39 by RichM
Airports With MY SB340 Service posted Sat Sep 9 2006 15:46:17 by Dsa
Small Airports With Loads Of Service In The US posted Fri Jul 28 2006 12:33:55 by Dsa
What Is Going On With Mexicana's Domestic Service? posted Fri May 12 2006 17:45:33 by Orbis
Runways With Drops At The End? posted Thu Mar 23 2006 18:59:20 by Jamesbuk
Shortest Route With FF Miles posted Fri Dec 30 2005 21:21:53 by SCEagle
Turin 2006: Regular Sched. Int'l Service. posted Tue Nov 8 2005 12:42:13 by Cure
Is KL Next With BBJ Premium Service? posted Sat Jul 9 2005 03:38:29 by N62NA