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Biggest Plane Ever Into LGA  
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

So now that DL is once again flying the 767-400 into LGAis it the largest plane to ever fly into LGA? It's longer and has more wingspan than the DC-10, L-1011 and A300.

Maybe did a bigger plane even come in as a charter or for an emergency landing?


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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1657 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

I would think that length and wingspan are not necessarily the best indicators of how large a plane is. For example, the L-1011 has a maximum takeoff weight of 496,000 pounds vs. the 767-400ER's 450,000 pounds. Based on that I would say the L1011 is a bigger aircraft than the 767-400. It may not be as long or have as wide of a wingspan, but it's wider.

User currently offlineTrey From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

I would imaine they have seeen a 747 some where along the lines....

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

Be careful about weight. Although the L1011 weighs more than the 764, the 764 is made up of more advanced composite materials that are far lighter than anything on the L1011 ever was.

Although I say this, my vote is for the L1011 as well due to its max pax capacity in an all coach class. I'm pretty sure it beats out the DC-10 and 764.

DIA



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Bigphil,

Perhaps you should try to define what you mean by "largest"?

Mass?
Pax Capacity?
or Physical Dimension?


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Hold the press! Didn't Delta have a few runs into LGA with their MD-11?

If that isn't so, then I'll stick to what I said above.

On a side note, I think the 764 would qualify as the longest a/c.



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User currently offlineEastCoast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

I have lived blocks away from LGA and have seen nothing BIGGER that the aircrafts mentioned above.

User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

When I say "big" in reference to a plane, I am referring to wingspan and length for the most part.

Maybe thicker too, but just because a plane is thick, that doesn't mean it's large...to me anyway.

Same with pax capacity. With airlines making more leg room, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a plane that carried less pax than another plane with less weight, size or whatever.

And I highly doubt a 747 ever landed at LGA. I don't even think the runwayts can handle that thing in terms of weight and width, much less the length.



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User currently offlineUSAir330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

I don't think A 747 ever landed into La Guardia, but A 747 can if it was allowed. 747's land at SXM at its only 152ft longer and the 747's dont even use all of the runway. ( I know that because I have the Justplanes SXM video :P ) But the only thing that wouldn't allow A 747 into LGA would be the close proximity of the buildings.

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Runway 11-29 is 6,800-feet long and 150-feet wide, and is equipped with centerline and edge-lighting, VASI on runway 11, PAPI on runway 29 and REIL at both ends.


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3402 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

An Airbus Beluga landed at LGA once, i would think thats a pretty large plane

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

LGA's runways length is not the issue, the fact that part of the runways are actualy piers.

The PA re-inforced the "piers" to support the A300s, it would require even more work to support the weight of a 777, MD11 or 747.

NWA and CO have both flown DC-10s into LGA at one time.

CO also briefly around '91-'92 had a A-300 flight from LGA-IAH.

Also Pan Am operated A-300s from LGA to Miami.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13561 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4377 times:
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NWA and CO have both flown DC-10s into LGA at one time.

So did AA. EA operated L-1011s and A-300s out of there, and of course DL operated the L-1011 and now the 764.

By the way, there's an old joke among employees at LGA that if a 747 ever landed there, they'd have to turn it into a diner.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Delta has also flown DC-10's to LGA back in the 70's. I know this for a fact because I was on one coming from ATL.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

There wouldn't be a real reason to have an emergency landing of such a large airliner at LGA, especially since you have 13R/31L at JFK, all 14500 feet only a few miles south.

My guess would be the 764 though, after all, the capacity is a whopping 289 passengers...more than the 777s and MD-11s in DL's fleet.

Jeff


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Don't forget the NATIONAL DC-10s back in the 70s, as well. LGA-TPA/MIA/PBI.

User currently offlineCicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Yeah, National DC-10s... also TWA Tri-Stars.

The Airbus Beluga is really an A-300, so except for the hump, I don't think that'd be the largest. I'd go for the 767-400.

I'm sure a 747 could operate at LGA depending on fuel and pax load. There is a story that Pan Am brought one of their first 747s into LGA to show it off..but I never saw any real documentation on that.

Emergency Landings? Didn't an Egyptair 767 come in once?

Tom



User currently offlineEastCoast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

I remember the following during my childhood days at LGA:

DC-10
American
National
Pam Am

L-1011
Air Canada
Delta
Eastern
TWA

A300
Eastern


User currently offlineExnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Don't forget that LGA was the benchmark Lockheed and Douglas used when designing their respective trijets. Eastern and American in particular insisted on transcon performance out of LGA.

User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

The PA re-inforced the "piers" to support the A300s, it would require even more work to support the weight of a 777, MD11 or 747.

The A300 had the problem of relatively narrow-track landing gear that concentrated the weight on the runway. The trijets had a wider track, and the four tires on a DC-10 bogie were also more widely separated, so they could operate out of LGA without the runway strengthening. Airbus complained loudly about political interference when the PA didn't want to let A300s operate there.



User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12438 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4011 times:

I believe TWA flew 747s in there in the very early days. Indeed, I read somewhere that they once flew a 747 from JFK to LGA.

I wonder would that involve taking off from JFK's 04L/R and landing on LGA's 04!


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6822 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

We're guessing neither TWA nor anyone else ever scheduled 747s into LGA, but we're ready to learn. Anyone have a pic of any 747 there, on any occasion?

I don't think EA and AA insisted on "transcon" DC-10/TriStar performance out of LGA, did they? Didn't AA want full payload (or maybe full pax and bags) to Chicago? Or maybe Dallas? In any case neither of them contemplated flying transcon out of LGA, did they?

Vaguely recall that the DC-10 and/or TriStar was to be a twin until takeoff-from-LGA dictated three engines.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

I don't see it listed above as one of the airlines that flew a "large a/c" into LGA, so. . . .
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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

I remember seeing AA 762, Dc-10's DL L1011, 763, 762, and some other stuff that is pretty big.


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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

No Transcon L1011 or DC-10 could operate out of GA / KLGA), USA - New York">LGA. All the those flts that did were lightly loaded with fuel served FL,GA etc. no CA,OR WA flts


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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6822 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Recall that UA flew DC-10s off of Kona's 6500-ft runway to California.

User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 25, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

I wonder would that involve taking off from JFK's 04L/R and landing on LGA's 04!

I've done this in flight sim many times. It's a lot of fun.

The PA re-inforced the "piers" to support the A300s, it would require even more work to support the weight of a 777, MD11 or 747.

The beginning of runway 22 and 13 are piers.

Often on weekends in nice weather, LGA ATIS will inform you that on of the runways are closed. This most often happens when they are fixing the piers up, which is a CONSTANT battle that they do a lot.

But, closing down one runway like that is good for spotting. It allows you to see sick crosswind and planes landing and departing on the same runway, which means lots of go-arounds. Big grin



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