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Crash In Congo?  
User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Can anyone confirm something has happened in Congo, according to the Chinese news a plane with about 200 people on board has crashed, something to do with a open door??

If this is not true then I'm very sorry (very happy for the aircraft and passengers)

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User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Yes indeed, I heard about this too, an IL-something, can anyone confirm?

Airbus_A340



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7437 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3507 times:
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Latest news: here:


Over 200 dead in IL76 incident after door bursts open in mid-flight.

David


User currently offlineA350-200 From France, joined Oct 2000, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

It is said in the french news that the IL76 door broke at 7.000 ft ( ! how is that possible, even at that low altitude) and several pax were sucked out...

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Has it landed or crashed, I assume this was a military flight then?

User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 959 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

As is said in Spanish news, a door broke, and some passengers were sucked out, but the plane landed safely a few later.


Miquel.
User currently offlineA350-200 From France, joined Oct 2000, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

According to France2 TV, the aircraft has landed.
As always in such cases, care should be taken with this "live info".
The aircraft was carrying several special police forces.


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

According to the BBC the ramp opened in flight and all passengers (Military and civilian) got sucked out (Approx 120 dead)

As already said the aircraft with its russian crew landed.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

According to Dutch radio news a number of passengers were sucked out of a plane when the door flew of. The plane was an Ilyushin cargo plane chartered by the military. Apparently the plane was carrying 200 passengers.

No mention about whether the plane crashed or not. Therefore I presume it landed safely, otherwise the news would have mentioned it.

The BBC is reporting 120 casualties. The article mentioned that the back door fell of. That would make it almost definately a IL-76. Is it normal to move passengers in a cargo plane like a '76?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3013911.stm




Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Swedish media claim 120 dead Congolese and only the Russian air-crew survived.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Well its defo a crash-the BBC news site has a picture of a massive fireball-titled 'Freak aaccident claims scores".

User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

No it has not crashed. The picture with the fireball is an archive picture of the Irkutsk crash in 1999.

In the article it says this:

"The Russian crew was able to turn the Ilyushin 76 around and land at Kinshasa airport following the incident."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3013911.stm





Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

All these media comments seem to be feeding off the same original report, and chasing their own tails.

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

The latest I seen in Swedish media, on friday night, about 200 Congolese died
in a freak accident being sucked out of the rear when a cargo door on the IL-76 failed 45 minutes into the flight at 2200m. The plane was going from Leopoldville (Kinshasa) to Elisabethville (Lumbumbashi) when the cargo door opened, the Russian air-crew turned around the plane and landed in Leopoldville (Kinshasa).


User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 959 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

http://www.lavanguardia.es/web/20030509/51139506123.html

A newspaper from Barcelona is speaking about the Il-76 bomber!



Miquel.
User currently offlineCorocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

CNN is reporting "dozens" dead, but not everyone. The plane did land safely.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/05/09/plane.reut/index.html


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Mighluss, the webpage requires you to register first... Any other hints? What does it say?

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

CNN is reporting "dozens" dead, but not everyone

Dunno which CNN you're reading, but mine says this:

"The doors opened including the ramp as the pressure system broke down. Everybody was sucked out and is presumed dead," the official in the capital Kinshasa said.


User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 959 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Yes, I forgot, sorry. It says that the rear door opened at 10.000m. and most passengers were sucked out. Military, and familiars.

Only wanted to say that for this newspaper any big military plane, becomes a bomber, even if it's carrying people... (A very bad joke crosses my mind right now, but well, some respect to this pleople)

[Edited 2003-05-09 15:36:01]


Miquel.
User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

2200 m and pressure? Something is wrong here. At 2200 there shouldn't be any mayor pressure differences or am I wrong here?

User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Treg, with a planned flying altitude of more than 2200 m, pressure is built up before reaching the altitude you need to build up pressure. In other words, the cell has already been pumped up even though the altitude was not yet reached but was planned to be reached.

User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

RIP to all the victims...

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

I'm with you, Treg.

Pressurization of an aircraft is a gradual process. In any case aircraft are normally pressurized to around 6000-8000ft altitude, so the differential at 7000ft would have been negligible I'd have thought.

Besides, a large door falling off would have equalized pressure almost immediately - so I can't see how 100-plus people could have been blown out.

Was this aircraft really at 7000ft, or a lot higher?


User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

1mb=30ft

Therefore:

33.33 millibars of pressure differential per 1000 feet in the International Standard Atmosphere.

If everyone was standing up (ie. crammed into the cargo area), and the aircraft was in a nose-up attitude, nothing to hold on to... it might not have been a case of being 'sucked' out, but more 'falling' out.

Finally: Only 7,000ft after 45 minutes of flight? That slow rate of climb is not going to happen routinely... unless it was cruising at this level.

The usual completely inaccurate media reports again! At least they spelled Ilyushin correctly this time.


User currently offlineAviastar From Belarus, joined Nov 2000, 280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

The plane pitched and that's why people fall, except those who managed to cling on to the ropes that hang on the wall (according to an article on afp.com).


25 Prebennorholm : AFP says that on the IL-76 only the flight deck is pressurized, not the cargo compartment. Can somebody confirm that? It would explain the low cruisin
26 Petertenthije : The IL-76 hold can be presurrized, but if need be it can be depressurized as well. The cockpit is seperated from the hold, so depressurizing the hold
27 Post contains links Carduelis : I feel that Ben's contribution was most 'accurate' . . . At 7000 feet nobody would be sucked out, they would have fallen out, look at the picture in t
28 Clipper471 : Anyone survive in the cabin?
29 JETPILOT : What's this bullshit of people being sucked out.... they were blown out. No sucking going on here. JET
30 Dab920 : Surely it depends on your definition of blowing and sucking? My definition is that if you are being pulled forward by a vacuum of air in front of you,
31 JETPILOT : No... therees no debating this. But nice try. A rapid expansion of gas (air is a gas) is an explosion. The people were blown out of the airplane. No 2
32 Post contains images Markus : Dab920, I can't help but commend you on your excellent definitions on the differences between blowing and sucking. I have to admit, though, I laughed
33 Backfire : I still don't believe that so many people were blown/sucked from the aircraft without there being another contributing element. I wonder if the incide
34 JETPILOT : Do you have to tilt the barrel of a shotgun down when you fire it so the pellets come out? JET
35 GLA MD11 : Here is what Yahoo France says: it was an Il 76 cargo plane, converted (like many others in Africa) into passenger plane, transporting people from Kin
36 Backfire : Do you have to tilt the barrel of a shotgun down when you fire it so the pellets come out? Yes, if there's no explosion. That's exactly the point - yo
37 Larspl : the plane did not crash indeed. after 45 mins of flight the cargo door fell out because it was held shut with some pieces of rope. (!) all the pax got
38 Clipper471 : Read in the paper this morning that there have only been 7 "confirmed" deaths. I imagine this number will increase.
39 Clipper471 : I imagine that the "incident" is similar to the scene in "Air Force One" when the pressurized cabin door to the bay was blown open, and several staff
40 Post contains links and images LY744 : The aircraft belongs to Ukraine Cargo Airways (UCA), not quite the Ukrainian air force, but more like a wholly owned subsidiary of the Ukraine Defense
41 Delta-flyer : Surely it depends on your definition of blowing and sucking? My definition is that if you are being pulled forward by a vacuum of air in front of you,
42 Beefmoney : I always thought "blowing" meant that air was being forced AWAY from an object/area. And "Sucking" meant that air was being attracted TO an object/are
43 Backfire : Why is such a big deal being made about sucking and blowing? You're just arguing about two sides of the same coin. Go find a book on basic physics. If
44 Post contains links Yak42 : They say over 250 people may have been killed in the more upto date BBC report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3016939.stm
45 Post contains links Flyingbronco05 : it was already posted her awhile ago: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1085918/
46 Clipper471 : Will we ever know the number killed? Was there even a passenger manifest? Flyingbronco05 the link that "was already posted her awhile ago" was posted
47 Ben : Will we ever know the number killed? Was there even a passenger manifest? Unlikely... and no. There is almost never a manifest for these flights. They
48 Post contains images Mandala499 : I've heard some of these flights are just like buses... you pay, you go on board, sitting, standing, no one cares, as long as it's not overweight, the
49 Backfire : Well according to the Ukrainian ministry of defence, the whole thing is a complete fabrication anyway. The aircraft returned, made a safe emergency la
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