N754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2936 times:
Can anyone confirm something has happened in Congo, according to the Chinese news a plane with about 200 people on board has crashed, something to do with a open door??
If this is not true then I'm very sorry (very happy for the aircraft and passengers)
A350-200 From France, joined Oct 2000, 150 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
It is said in the french news that the IL76 door broke at 7.000 ft ( ! how is that possible, even at that low altitude) and several pax were sucked out...
A350-200 From France, joined Oct 2000, 150 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2773 times:
According to France2 TV, the aircraft has landed.
As always in such cases, care should be taken with this "live info".
The aircraft was carrying several special police forces.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3230 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2712 times:
According to Dutch radio news a number of passengers were sucked out of a plane when the door flew of. The plane was an Ilyushin cargo plane chartered by the military. Apparently the plane was carrying 200 passengers.
No mention about whether the plane crashed or not. Therefore I presume it landed safely, otherwise the news would have mentioned it.
The BBC is reporting 120 casualties. The article mentioned that the back door fell of. That would make it almost definately a IL-76. Is it normal to move passengers in a cargo plane like a '76?
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2525 times:
The latest I seen in Swedish media, on friday night, about 200 Congolese died
in a freak accident being sucked out of the rear when a cargo door on the IL-76 failed 45 minutes into the flight at 2200m. The plane was going from Leopoldville (Kinshasa) to Elisabethville (Lumbumbashi) when the cargo door opened, the Russian air-crew turned around the plane and landed in Leopoldville (Kinshasa).
Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2494 times:
CNN is reporting "dozens" dead, but not everyone
Dunno which CNN you're reading, but mine says this:
"The doors opened including the ramp as the pressure system broke down. Everybody was sucked out and is presumed dead," the official in the capital Kinshasa said.
Mighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 928 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2478 times:
Yes, I forgot, sorry. It says that the rear door opened at 10.000m. and most passengers were sucked out. Military, and familiars.
Only wanted to say that for this newspaper any big military plane, becomes a bomber, even if it's carrying people... (A very bad joke crosses my mind right now, but well, some respect to this pleople)
Unique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 40 Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
Treg, with a planned flying altitude of more than 2200 m, pressure is built up before reaching the altitude you need to build up pressure. In other words, the cell has already been pumped up even though the altitude was not yet reached but was planned to be reached.
Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2319 times:
I'm with you, Treg.
Pressurization of an aircraft is a gradual process. In any case aircraft are normally pressurized to around 6000-8000ft altitude, so the differential at 7000ft would have been negligible I'd have thought.
Besides, a large door falling off would have equalized pressure almost immediately - so I can't see how 100-plus people could have been blown out.
Was this aircraft really at 7000ft, or a lot higher?
Ben From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
1mb=30ft
Therefore:
33.33 millibars of pressure differential per 1000 feet in the International Standard Atmosphere.
If everyone was standing up (ie. crammed into the cargo area), and the aircraft was in a nose-up attitude, nothing to hold on to... it might not have been a case of being 'sucked' out, but more 'falling' out.
Finally: Only 7,000ft after 45 minutes of flight? That slow rate of climb is not going to happen routinely... unless it was cruising at this level.
The usual completely inaccurate media reports again! At least they spelled Ilyushin correctly this time.
Aviastar From Belarus, joined Nov 2000, 279 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2067 times:
The plane pitched and that's why people fall, except those who managed to cling on to the ropes that hang on the wall (according to an article on afp.com).
25 Prebennorholm: AFP says that on the IL-76 only the flight deck is pressurized, not the cargo compartment. Can somebody confirm that? It would explain the low cruisin
26 Petertenthije: The IL-76 hold can be presurrized, but if need be it can be depressurized as well. The cockpit is seperated from the hold, so depressurizing the hold
27 Carduelis: I feel that Ben's contribution was most 'accurate' . . . At 7000 feet nobody would be sucked out, they would have fallen out, look at the picture in t
29 JETPILOT: What's this bullshit of people being sucked out.... they were blown out. No sucking going on here. JET
30 Dab920: Surely it depends on your definition of blowing and sucking? My definition is that if you are being pulled forward by a vacuum of air in front of you,
31 JETPILOT: No... therees no debating this. But nice try. A rapid expansion of gas (air is a gas) is an explosion. The people were blown out of the airplane. No 2
32 Markus: Dab920, I can't help but commend you on your excellent definitions on the differences between blowing and sucking. I have to admit, though, I laughed
33 Backfire: I still don't believe that so many people were blown/sucked from the aircraft without there being another contributing element. I wonder if the incide
34 JETPILOT: Do you have to tilt the barrel of a shotgun down when you fire it so the pellets come out? JET
35 GLA MD11: Here is what Yahoo France says: it was an Il 76 cargo plane, converted (like many others in Africa) into passenger plane, transporting people from Kin
36 Backfire: Do you have to tilt the barrel of a shotgun down when you fire it so the pellets come out? Yes, if there's no explosion. That's exactly the point - yo
37 Larspl: the plane did not crash indeed. after 45 mins of flight the cargo door fell out because it was held shut with some pieces of rope. (!) all the pax got
38 Clipper471: Read in the paper this morning that there have only been 7 "confirmed" deaths. I imagine this number will increase.
39 Clipper471: I imagine that the "incident" is similar to the scene in "Air Force One" when the pressurized cabin door to the bay was blown open, and several staff
40 LY744: The aircraft belongs to Ukraine Cargo Airways (UCA), not quite the Ukrainian air force, but more like a wholly owned subsidiary of the Ukraine Defense
41 Delta-flyer: Surely it depends on your definition of blowing and sucking? My definition is that if you are being pulled forward by a vacuum of air in front of you,
42 Beefmoney: I always thought "blowing" meant that air was being forced AWAY from an object/area. And "Sucking" meant that air was being attracted TO an object/are
43 Backfire: Why is such a big deal being made about sucking and blowing? You're just arguing about two sides of the same coin. Go find a book on basic physics. If
44 Yak42: They say over 250 people may have been killed in the more upto date BBC report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3016939.stm
45 Flyingbronco05: it was already posted her awhile ago: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1085918/
46 Clipper471: Will we ever know the number killed? Was there even a passenger manifest? Flyingbronco05 the link that "was already posted her awhile ago" was posted
47 Ben: Will we ever know the number killed? Was there even a passenger manifest? Unlikely... and no. There is almost never a manifest for these flights. They
48 Mandala499: I've heard some of these flights are just like buses... you pay, you go on board, sitting, standing, no one cares, as long as it's not overweight, the
49 Backfire: Well according to the Ukrainian ministry of defence, the whole thing is a complete fabrication anyway. The aircraft returned, made a safe emergency la
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