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British Airways Returns To Hong Kong Nonstop  
User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

From tomorrow BA27 will operate daily nonstop to Hong Kong again, replacing the technical stop in Bangkok. Crew will stay in Macau. At this stage we have not been advised whether the aircraft will continue on to Macau or whether the crew will be transferred by other means.



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User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

Just advised the route will return to double daily from 1 June 2003.

User currently offlineSk From Germany, joined Apr 2003, 75 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

It seems that Lufthansa also makes some plans to upgrade flights into this area again.

As far as I know, they will return to daily 747 service to Shanghai on June, 1st and to Beijing on June, 16th (before 6x / 7x weekly with Airbus 340). HKG will be upgrade from 3x weekly to daily A340-300 on June 16th too.


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Get this, the BA crew will fly via CX Hong Kong - Macau - Hong Kong!!. Tonight is a A330 (B-HLT).

12-05-2003
21:40 CX 8306 Macau - Hong Kong
23:55 CX 8307 Hong Kong - Macau


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Are some of CX's crew also based at Macau?

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

They don't need to be.

User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Well, due to the nature of commercial aviation not to take any risks and forseeing (..or at least trying) the near future in a realistic way, I consider this an early indication that the situation is in fact improving. We shouldn't let us get freaked out by the media.

Both BA and LH are losing too much money right now, to do any risky s*ht like flying a 25%-filled 747 on 15.000km route, so I guess they have looked into the re-start of non-stop service very carefully and decided to restart once they were confident in the revenue figures!



"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."� Alfred Kahn, 1977
User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

I would have thought that with the loads and ticket prices as they are, BA must be giving up a huge amount of their profit on this route in chartering a Cathay A330 just to ferry their flight crew to and from Macau!! The ferry flights have already appeared into the roster to the end of this month, and probably longer!

User currently offlineHS-LTA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 1999, 231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

It is funny. We said may be charter the GFS Puma may be cheaper and faster to MFM.(no need to fly STAR or SID or taxi a long way)
BTW, tonight plane is B-HLL.
 Smile


User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4013 times:

I dont know whether BA is chartering the whole CX aircraft. That seems an awful waste for 17 crew members!

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Britair,

On a clear day you can SEE macau airport from Hong Kong airport..... do you think there is a normal A330 service??.

The route is served by ferry and Helicopter at a fraction of the price.


User currently offlineBritair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

I understand the geography but these are strange times. The CX service listed above seems strange that it orginates in Macau, and the timings dont coordinate with the BA arrivals and departures. So, I am thinking either BA is piggy backing on a CX charter or there are other arrangements. 'Tis all.  Smile

User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Flying between Macau and Hong Kong on a plane - yes it's very strange isn't it? First time for everything I suppose! Heh.

Hkg82.


User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

It's not really the first time that a plane has flown Macau - Hong Kong. During the typhoon seaons quite a while ago I remember clearly two planes were diverted to Macau - one of them is a KLM B744 from Amsterdam. And the next day the plane flew back to HKG - with all the passengers.

Maybe there are more but I really have no memories.

Best Regards


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Jesus... how long is the flight between HKG and MFM?? Does the plane even have time to retract the flaps? Or is it just setting it from take off position and straight to landing configuration immediately after airborne??


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User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

9V-SPK,

It is not unusual in bad weather for aircraft to be diverted from HKG to MFM or vice versa. The runway alignment is nearly 90 degrees to each other so there is always a more appropriate runway in strong winds.
Also, Air Macau sends their aircraft to HAECO for maintenance, so it is not unusual in that respect for aircraft to fly between the two.
Cathay normally does all it's base training in Zhuhai, but when it is busy there, Macau is used. Then they obviously have to fly between the two.


User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

CX Flyboy: -

Zhuhai busy? How busy, is only 6 scheduled flights per day. How are you lately?

Regards
Kev



Live life to max!!!
User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Hi Kev,

I'm good thanks. Perhaps I should have been more clear about ZUH. Sometimes there are two Cathay training sessions on at the same time, and one therefore has to go to MFM and the other to ZUH. There are also some other flight planning restrictions, I think at certain times of day, but I can't really remember.


User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Well to get to Macau by ferry takes I think 1-2 hours? So by plane, erm, 5-6 mins?

Hope the CX pilot doesn't over-shoot Macau Big grin

Hkg82.


User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

Hope the CX pilot doesn't over-shoot Macau

No, they didn't, as a matter of fact, they arrived 16 min ahead of schedule! Big grin

[Edited 2003-05-13 18:25:33]


cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineSvenvdm From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

That reminds of the time I used MS Flight Sim to fly around in the area. I'd take off on Kai Tak's RWY 13, turn right, fly south of HK Island, go over the Pearl Delta, turn right, do a touch and go in Macau, head north to Shenzen, do a 180 degree turn, touch and go in Shenzen and back to Kai Tak.

Btw, when Kai Tak's RWY 31 was in use (which was shorter because of the displaced threshold on RWY 13) UA 747s on the HKG-SFO and -LAX routes flew to Macau with almost empty tanks, fuelled up there and used the longer Macau runway to get airborne with a heavy load.


User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Cx flyboy,

Do you know if it's the pilot, airport authority or airline management's choice to divert to Macau, Manila or Taipei during bad weather? Because SQ only diverts their planes to Taipei and I think CX are more widely spread which makes me wonder.

Best Regards


User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Well I guess it is because small boats could not make the journey across the 'ocean' and hiring a jetfoil is HK$15000 per hour, so taking a flight there would actually be cheaper.


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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Svenvdm,

Who on earth told you that about the UA 747's??, its 100% not true and at the same time very funny.

You should have seen the CP DC-10's on 13... WOW!!. As for the SAS 763's they almost never used 31, even when it was in use they waited for a gap and used 13.


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