Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8430 times:
I can see BA ordering A330-200s in not too distant future.
B772s are too big on many smaller point to point markets.
B763s are getting inefficient :
-too cramped for new Club (therefore product inconsistency)
-too narrow for 8 abreast economy (well, nice for passengers)
-too wide for a little wider Traveler Plus seats (6 abreast = too wide)
-power/weight restriction (no personal video) product inconsistency.
-poor range (no Asia / US West Coast) options
-poor cargo capacity (no LD2)
I believe they will not wait another 6 years (for an uncertain 7E7) and follow their biggest competitors AF, LH and KLM.
Boeing die-hards, better get used to this ............ Joking..
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8322 times:
do you know if the flights to Dar Es Salaam and Kampala have heavy payload restrictions?Both flights must be towards the end of BA's 763's range.
Currently BA send the 767s on long-haul to:
Accra(rumoured to be upgraded to 772)
Dar Es Salaam
Nassau and Grand Cayman
Charlotte and Baltimore .
I can't see BA ordering 332s for a while given that their 763s aren't too old either plus a large % of their 767s are for Euro routes anyway.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8229 times:
The latest BA 767 was delivered in 1998, that makes it 5 years old, brand new. Infact, the 767's fill an important role in the fleet, filling in on routes too big for a 777. Namely a handful of destinations in the Middle East, Africa and US East coast along with trunk European routes.
As for A330, i can't see BA orderin a new type for another 3 or 4 years, the same speculation surrounds the A380 also. Wait and see.
Britair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8173 times:
Rod Eddington announced in the BA News (internal staff newspaper) last week that the entire 767 fleet (21 aircraft) will be phased out from 2005. The aim was to eliminate one more fleet type to streamline operations. BA is in final negotiations with the RAF to sell the entire 767 fleet as airborne tankers.
So the 767 fleet IS going, and at this stage there is no intention to replace them in that category.
LHR340 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8137 times:
I doubt they will get any A330s ...and that is sad news to hear about the 767 to be phased out I was just beginning to like 767's....Doesn't BA use most of them on high pax loads to Europe? such as Geneva/Zurich & Prague...
A340 LoVeR! EC-GQK - LHR The Bussiest International Airport & 3rd Bussiest In The World!
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7640 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7989 times:
What will happen to MAN-JFK then....will AA pick it up? I doubt BA would want to convert a 777 for a more appropriate configuration for here, unless they are going to add 1 or more long-haul destinations from MAN post 2005 so that a mini-fleet of 777s would be based.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8407 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7950 times:
I can see the A330 in BA colours if the 767 leaves the fleet (and they aren't all 1998 vintage - some are a lot old, the ones I've been have felt old, much vibration and noise etc). The 757s are going as well, and I think they'll be replaced by A321s - I'm sure BA are getting lots of eval info on the A321 from British Med and GB Airways. The A330 will work it's way in between the A321 and 777. And in a way the 777 and 744 will eventually be boxed in by the A380 as well.
(I'm slightly pro-Airbus cos I prefer their products these days but have no real agenda but...) It's weird to talk about BA flying such a lot of Airbus - I think the A380 is inevitable and so is something to fit in between the A321 and 777 (A330 basically - the airlines probably share my scepticism that the 7E7 is anything more than the Sonic Cruiser v2.0). And the entire BA narrowbody fleet will be Airbus when the last 737-400s go. This is BA we're talking, you know, "Boeing Airways". Can Boeing regain their pre-eminence?
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16456 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7603 times:
It does not make sense for any carrier to be adding the 332 as a new type, when the 7E7 will enter service in 2008 and offer much improved economics. Also, there will be big discounts for all new 7E7 launch customers. The BA 763 fleet can certainly be operated efficiently until the 7E7 enters service.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7640 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7581 times:
757s are being replaced by the A321. Forgot to notice that poor range (no Asia / US West Coast) options was listed in the original post. They did MAN-LAX non-stop in 1993/1994 on a 5 times weekly basis.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7485 times:
SAS doesn't fly any more B767s to the West Coast. Their last two B763 long range services are OSL-Newark and CPH-Washington, the only West Coast destination is SEA served by A343s. LAX is no longer served.
Of course you can fly the B763 on West Coast routes, but they are always restricted in payload. LTU once operated B763ERs from DUS to LAX and faced payload restrictions, or ask Delta why their Stuttgart-ATL service is affected by several fuel stops during the year. And ask Continental why they don't fly B764ERs from Houston to Europe...
B767-300ER/400ER = restrictions
A330-200 = no restrictions
TF-FIW From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7311 times:
BA does fly the 763 to CCS-BOG too.
It's still a a good flexible workhorse both for longhaul or shorthaul operation.
Furthermore, I doubt that BA will buy the A330 as she is too heavy for shorthaul/midhaul operation. Hence not profitable for high density shorthaul routes like GVA, FRA, DUS etc.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7272 times:
or ask Delta why their Stuttgart-ATL service is affected by several fuel stops during the year
huh? Why this flight... it's not their longest (ATL-FCO, JFK-IST, etc are longer; and do not typically run into fuel trouble) nor does it fly any atypical routing which may compromise range, so you may want to consider your source on this one....
Eg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1844 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7248 times:
It all depends on the route requirements.
If memory serves, at the moment there are two 'pools' of pilots at British Airways - those who fly long-haul routes, and those who fly short-haul routes.
This doesn't really affect the 767 pilots, as they are the only pilot group who do two sets of work - shorthaul such as LHR-GVA and longhaul such as Accra etc.
Now, if BA wanted to make the A330 a 'shorthaul-only' aircraft then they could get some increased efficiency with having a massive shorthaul fleet of A319/320/321/330, presumably with the same group of pilots qualified on all.
However, this is unlikely to happen as BA do not need the volume on a regular basis on shorthaul.
Something occured to me-- what about a hub in Manchester. Use A330s for transatlantic, African and Middle Eastern services from that airport, taking some of the transit traffic (and therefore pressure) off Heathrow, opening up that airport to more O&D traffic from London (which will be in high demand with a potential 2012 Olympics). It would represent the most dramatic shift in BA corporate philosophy ever; but Rod seems to have the appetite for change!
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3493 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7238 times:
I do not consider it likely that another hub will be formed in Manchester. Not on the size you are talking about. If BA wanted to do that, they would probably have done that a year ago to combine it with the Commonwealth games.
KFRG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7194 times:
And you don't think A330's flying to the WC are not payload restricted either? ANY aircraft is going to be weight restricted at some point. Why don't you go and ask Swiss why they don't fly their A332's to LAX, and MD-11's instead? In your logic:
B777: No restrictions
: Did you ever think CO wasn't flying 767-400ER's to Europe because there isn't a good match in capacity right now? They fly the 767-400ER from EWR to H