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Delta's Florida Presence  
User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

This is something that I have yet to discuss, but it draws a great deal of interest in me. Delta seems to have a HUGE presence in Florida. Flights from ATL to more then 5 Florida destinations incorporate numerous wide body frequency, many 767s. This amount of flights to the Florida destinations is unsurpassed by any other carrier, and certainly is one of the U.S's densest route systems. If you combined all of the seats up between ATL and the Florida cities alone you would have thousands and thousands of seats flying between Florida and ATL alone. So what is going on here? Does DL specialize in offering mass amounts of low fares to Florida or something? Has it always been like this? Or was DL Express operating these routes at one time with extremely high frequency? And maybe this is just an "adaptation" to the market as the Express branch has diminished? I know Atlanta is somewhat known as the capital of the south, and I'm sure theres probably a lot of business relations between these cities, but that doesn't seem to account for all of it. I am really looking for some answers here, I'm looking forward to what all of you have to say. Thanks!

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User currently offlineN951U From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Supply and demand?
Easiest outbound connections for Floridians? Fly one hour north and connect to anywhere in the U.S. and many international destinations. It beats flying all the way to DC or NYC to connect.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Delta has always been known for offering many flights from ATL-florida. With Delta operating a mega hub at ATL they draw in many connecting paxs who transfer to one of the many flights to florida. At least that is what i have thought for a while.

Delta express never operated from ATL-Florida. DLX strickly focused on Florida-Northeast and bypassed ATL.


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

There sre a lot of business ties between ATL and Florida cities. DL flights have a lot of business travellers, a lot of day trippers between ATL and Florida.

The demographics of the flights change remarkably throughout the day. With mostly business travellers in the mornings. Leisure travellers in the late mornings. A lot of senior citizens in the late morning. Europeans and British passengers in the afternoon. Residents, leisure and business travellers in the evenings.

It is IT for DL. The State of Florida contributes at least 25% of revenues to DAL, Inc. At most airports in Florida, DL is the #1 carrier. If not at #1, then it is in the top 3.

The location of the ATL hub makes it ideal for Florida traffic. CLT would be a great #2, but US has abandoned most of FL, and is a shadow of what it once was in terms of market share and flights and cities that it flies to.

Most traffic comes from the Northeastern US. A lot of talk about JB, but DL draws from many airports in the northeast and all 3 airports in NYC, unlike JB that has just JFK and a few cities behind it.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Actually DL used to be alot bigger in Florida, especially in Orlando.

They used to have a "hub" at MCO, with L1011-500 flights to FRA, L1011 flights to SJU, 757 flights to STT, STX.

And "big" full service flights to the Northeast, I used to fly them alot to Orlando. I flew EWR-MCO on DL on 757s and MD80s. This was Early-mid Ninties.

DL also had plans to launch service to latin America from Orlando , the flights were even in the time tables but they did not "launch". A couple years later DL launched flights from ATL-Latin America.

I have a '94-'95 DL timetable that lists them lauching flights from Orlando -

Caracas, Mexico City, Guatemala City, San Jose, Panama City.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

From Delta's June 1, 1981 schedule, daily ATL-Florida freqs:

DAB: 4
FLL: 8 (2 L-1011's)
FMY: 4 (RSW's predecessor)
JAX: 7 (6 L-1011's)
MIA: 8 (3 L-1011's)
MCO: 8 (4 L-1011's)
SRQ: 4
TPA: 8 (3 L-1011's)
PBI: 6

Even 22 years ago, DL was a major player in Florida.

Tom in NO (at MSY)

PS to the MCO fans: at the same time, DL had MCO nonstops to ATL, BOS, ORD, DFW, DTW, MIA, MSY, LGA, EWR, JFK, PHL, SJU, TPA, and PBI, a total of 29 flights, quite a bunch in those days.



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Also remember that Eastern had a few flights as well.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

I was trying to avoid doing this comparison tonight, heh heh. I had thought of EA, as well. Anyway, from EA's June 1, 1981 schedule, here's their ATL-Florida daily freqs:

DAB: 6
FLL: 5 (1 L-1011)
FMY: 4
GNV: 5
JAX: 8
MLB: 5
MIA: 9 (3 L-1011's, 2 A300's)
MCO: 8 (1 L-1011, 1 A300)
PNS: 7
SRQ: 6
TLH: 5
TPA: 8
DCA: 8
IAD: 1
BWI: 6
PBI: 6

Again, for the MCO crowd, EA flew nonstops from MCO to ATL, BWI, BOS, ORD, CLE, DAB, DTW, FMY, MIA, EWR, LGA, JFK, PHL, PIT, STL, SJU, SRQ, TPA, DCA, and PBI, a total of 46 flights.
Something to remember was that, at that time, MCO was still operating out of the cramped old terminal off of the BeeLine Expressway. I still remember how packed it was the first time I laid eyes on it.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

It amazes me how many seats DL puts into FLA. Lots of Widebodies. Not to mention Air Tran on top of that, but according to flytecomm here is a quick rundown of what DL runs into Florida from ATL (mainline only, connection carriers not included, but I know Comair and ASA both add a lot of capacity)

ATL-JAX (10 flights a day)
3* 757
1* MD80
4* 762
2* 763

ATL-DAB
4* MD80

ATL-MLB
3 * MD80

ATL-PBI (9 flights a day)
1 * MD80
2* 757
2* 762
3* 763
1* 764

ATL-FLL (10 flights a day)
2* 757
6* 763
2* 764

ATL-MIA (9 flights a day)
1 * MD80
6* 763
2* 764

ATL-MCO (11 flights a day)
1* 762
5* 763
4* 764
1* 772

ATL-RSW (8 flights a day)
2* 757
1* 762
5* 763

ATL-SRQ
3* 757
1* MD80

ATL-TPA (12 flights a day)
2* MD80
1* 762
5* 763
4* 764

ATL-TLH
2* 738
3* MD80

ATL-VPS
3* MD80

ATL-PNS
6* MD80

And this is just DL Mainline, just to Florida, and just from ATL. Florida, with its dependence on tourism, relies on air travel very heavily. Imagine what a shell of itself it would be if DL didnt exsist





User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

U all must admit that this is truely amazing! Atlanta is known as the capitol of the south, DL must have something else that draws the passengers on to those flights... LOW FARES. DL has been nutoriously known to have some pretty low fares in certain markets, and That prolly wouldn't exclude florida. Can anyone get any LOAD FACTORS on the flights??????????????? Thank you guys, I'll continue to check this post, and look forward to hearing more.

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

I'm told alot of the widebodies go down to Florida and back just to keep them in use between international hops.


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User currently offlineYV136C From Venezuela, joined Mar 2003, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

I can tell from my experience that the load factors on these FLL-ATL are very high, especially for not being a particularly high season (End of April, beginning of May). My FLL-ATL flight was completely full (a 764), the flight that arrived from ATL before taking that flight looked very loaded as well. My ATL-FLL (764 as well) was at least at 90%. Of course, fares are dirt cheap as I flew FLL-SFO-FLL for 250 bucks!

Luis
YV136C



Proud to work for Embraer FLL!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

As a frequent Delta traveler (my perferred carrier is AA, but Delta usually can get me there faster when AA does not fly non-stop), I always say to myself "well, it is the 6am on a Tuesday to Atlanta on a 764, no way it can be full." Wrong! I have never been on an empty flight from Ft. Lauderdale to Atlanta, and I am talking about flights mostly on 767-400s. I am flying FLL-ATL on a DL 764 next week, and got the last seat in F on the way up. On the way down in Y, I got one of only two window seats left (everything else was a middle seat). It's crazy how they fill up! MIA-ATL flights are usually not as packed, but fares are much higher and, obviously, yields are greater. Miami-Atlanta is a huge business route.


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User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

I'm told alot of the widebodies go down to Florida and back just to keep them in use between international hops.

For the 777's in MCO and the few 767-300ER's in various cities, that's true. But the 767-400 is designed especially for the Florida and Hawaii leisure markets as it is in a 36+251 configuration with domestic first class seats instead of BusinessElite. Due to their much higher coach to first class ratio, Delta's 767-400's actually seat more passengers than their 777's.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

sniff sniff...

I remember taking Dallas-Orlando on Delta... nonstop... in a beautiful L-1011... back when I was about two years old.

Those were the days.

Now Delta is pulling all widebody service out of Dallas.

We don't even have a flight to Hawaii...


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

I remember growing up and seeing the L1011's out of TW / KDTW), USA - Michigan">DTW, say the L1011's from EA, DL and TW. I miss those wide bodies.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

The last 3 Delta 767 flights I've been on out of JAX have all been completely full; one was oversold.

They've also been running 764's and M11's on these routes lately although I don't think those are for capacity reasons.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Most of the DL widebody flights to Florida are "Domestic" aircraft only, DL operates a large fleet of "Domestic" (non ER) 767-300s.

Also the 767-400 and 767-200s are all two class Domestic aircraft, the 767-400s and 767-200s are domestic only.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineLamyl_hhlco From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

As far as I know ,Delta provide the only commercial flight at Daytona-Beach. I've seen the MD80's landing there ,but not much of other airlines

Lam


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

COEX flies twice daily ERJ-145s from DAB to EWR.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

I believe ALL of DL's 764s are ER versions.

User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Lamyl_hhlco: Continental Express also flies to Daytona Beach, as does Vintage Props & Jets, a small Florida carrier.

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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

I believe ALL of DL's 764s are ER versions

I believe you're right, and all the ones I've seen also are ETOPS-certified.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineLamyl_hhlco From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Thanx for the info USAIRWAYS321  Big grin
actually Delta is the only carrier to fly the MD80 ,which is the biggest jet flying out there..right?


User currently offlineDrdivo From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

All 764s are ER, there isn't a non-ER version.


Respectfully - the Divo
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