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French Oficial Announce Thai Order 8 Airbuses  
User currently offlineROP From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4616 times:

The latest news from Paris
The French official has officially announced today that Thai Airways order 8 A-340-500/600s costing approximately 1 billion euro. yes, Thai PM is now on the Paris visit.. So the order is confirmed...
I've heard that Thai order airbus because of having some agricultural products export deal with EU.

ROP

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User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Wren't Thai getting a few ex-United Airlines B747-400s? If so, whats the point of the Airbuses. Though mind you, I wouldn't mind seeing a Thai A340-600! It would look really nice...

User currently offlineROP From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

Sure, TG will also gets 7 ex-UAL 744s. the reason they also order airbus is to expand its fleet and route plan. However, the main real reasos is the economic deal wtih EU. Thailand will get more green light to export the frozen checken and shrimp product into EU countries.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Watch for Thai to get some slots from the E.U. in the next couple of months.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Do you have to look for bribery in every airbus deal?
Anyway, since when has the EU been responsible for slot allocation?  Wink/being sarcastic



Cunning linguist
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Since the moment he thought up that hideous idea  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

B757300. Even if it was true - which it is not - how come MEA aren't allowed to fly to the US; and how come El Al's order for A330s was cancelled?


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

I defend Airbus not openly about governmental role in its business - however, why did a French minister have to announce it?

Seems to beat the objective of rebutting such an argument.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Probably because if the Thai PM did it, then the critics would whine about Thai being subject to politics etc.

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

FWIW, TG wanted to order the 345 and 346 last year. But it was reported in the Thai press that the TG board was pressured to disapprove the order due to unsatisfactory settlement between Thailand and the EU on the poultry and shrimp export matters. There are governments who will leverage their national airline's aircraft purchases to get concessions from the EU or the US. Airbus and Boeing will leverage their respective government's influence to get orders. Who is more evil? I'll keep my opinion to myself.  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Every big aircraft deal these days, at least from state carriers, has its diplomatic, political issues as well.
So far no news.
Good news though for Airbus again who outbeat Boeing this year in a rather dramatic way.
Interesting to read in Flight international also that these airbusses are meant to replace 777-300s, which will be redeployed to less prestigious routes (and maybe sold midterm?).


User currently offlineI LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Yes I to am going to raise a question that was asked before. Why does a French Government Official Announce this order? You don't see ANY US Officials announcing a large Boeing Order? Why is this?

User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

EWR, probably the same reason EL-Al isn't flying Airbuses, politics.



User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

"Thailand will get more green light to export the frozen checken and shrimp product into EU countries."

Oh, so now "free trade" means that in order to export your produts into Europe you have to buy Airbus; gee smells like US style politics now doesn't it  Yeah sure

"Why does a French Government Official Announce this order?"

I thought Airbus was a private company, after all Collin Powell doesnt announce Boeing orders....


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

you're right, he just announces retaliation against France on national television....that's free trade too


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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Seriously though.... Other than the political BS,

does anybody know if these aircraft will be the same msn as the cancelled Egyptair aircraft?

when will these be delivered?

drew



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User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Varig;


"you're right, he just announces retaliation against France on national television....that's free trade too"

No that's French deception. From viloating UN trade sanctions (which should call for UN sanction against them) to twisting the arms of nations into buying Airbus aircraft so that they will not be locked out of the European market...that's a special kind of crassness.


User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

B757300 is always against Airbus; but if you ask some source info related to his comments (like I did last week) he's very .....sssssssssss.....

I Love EWR: the French have a name of always wanna be in front for announcements etc.; don't pay too much attention to it like almost all other European countries already do  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Now I go to the chinese and will order european chicken and shrimps before it is too late ...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Peter


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

Guys, can we PLEASE, just for this once, leave all the political insinuations and ASSumptions out of it? It's pathetic and really boring. So quit the crap, k?

User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Guys, can we PLEASE, just for this once, leave all the political insinuations and ASSumptions out of it?

Yes, and have EADS do the same.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

just quit it, before you manage to ruin YET ANOTHER post with this childish manure. And keep the smart-ass flamebait remarks to yourself next time. They are of no interest to those of us with an EQ of over 12.

User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

They are of no interest to those of us with an EQ of over 12.

and it is of interest to all of us with an "IQ" over 12.


User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

I think we have a bunch of cry babies here who are pissed because Boeing didn't get the order. Every time Airbus gets an order, you guys find something to bitch about. Don't you ever get tired?

Staffan


User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

and it is of interest to all of us with an "IQ" over 12.

Woah, you can even do pedantry. Congratulations.

Can we discuss some actual facts now?

[Edited 2003-05-13 22:29:41]


Cunning linguist
User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Going64

no problem, you can ignore us: we'd be far better off.....you should know, everybody is ignoring your country already Big grin





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25 Post contains images Copenhagenboy : love to see it in THAI colours and nothing else. BTW I love A 330-340 over the B-777 in comfort in Y-class[Edited 2003-05-13 22:30:52]
26 747-451 : Can we discuss some actual facts now? Like twisting the arms of nations into buying Airbus aircraft so that they will not be locked out of the Europea
27 Scorpio : and it is of interest to all of us with an "IQ" over 12. Seems you are in need of some education. EQ is Emotional Intelligence.
28 N79969 : I don't think it's a big deal that a French official announced the order. It is a big, high profile order. However that they tied to it another trade
29 Dynkrisolo : I think it would be extremely hard to ask either side to shut up. For example, El Al ordered the 777 in 1999, but its political implication is still c
30 Post contains images Varig md-11 : ok,since 747-451 is begging to talk about actual facts : - the EU and France in particular are members of the axe of evil : they force poor countries
31 Post contains images Copenhagenboy : Good fun Varig md-11, yes I think UA, US and NW are very antiamerican, lets go back to McCarthey, right now
32 747-451 : Varig, Cpe; by the way that's the ONLY reason why UA,US,NW, are taking 'buses in their fleet ... I have no problem with Airbus aircraft, since the Amo
33 Going64 : @Varid MD-11 :no problem, you can ignore us: we'd be far better off.....you should know, everybody is ignoring your country already as you state you'r
34 Joni : What UN trade sanctions has France violated? I must have missed that. however, I bet that isn't as serious as when Bush invaded Iraq and violated the
35 Post contains images DaV : As you all can see even with a non-av forum all this BS seems to make its way up there every now and then... Can I ask the intervention of moderators?
36 Spk : Let's face it. Political influence will be here to stay in every major aircrafts deal. You know what? About 2 weeks after the order was first announce
37 Varig md-11 : DaV we all look like a bunch of cry-babies in these A vs B controversies.... but as mentionned, planes sales are so much linked to politics - which is
38 747-451 : What UN trade sanctions has France violated? The ones that created the trade sanctions with Iraq; 687,678 1441 etc. Such as parts for fighters, chemic
39 DaV : Varig md-11, I'm fine that politic may come out speaking of commercial orders (economy is often tied with politic), but it's impossible that every ord
40 Post contains images Varig md-11 : so you're here again? yeah we sold chemicals, weapons, our ailing economy depended on trade with Irak and now we gave passports to saddam's friend and
41 Rongotai : I come from neither North America nor Europe. From where I sit (preferably on an Airbus usually) both the US and the EU behave like boorish gorillas w
42 Dynkrisolo : In my view Boeing and Airbus are equally state supported. It's just that in the US state support is called 'military contracts'. In 2002, EADS's tota
43 N79969 : There are no such things as 'repayable loans' or 'launch aid' for Boeing commercial airplanes. There is simply no comparison between the support that
44 Staffan : Who ensures that the extra money Boeing gets isn't used for commercial development? Staffan
45 Dynkrisolo : Steffan: What's your point? Haven't you read my Reply #42? EADS and BAE Systems have military and government contracts. Even if all the profits from g
46 Rongotai : Special pleading I'm afraid N79667. My experience of strategic decision making at Airbus is that they are able to fudge commercial decisions because o
47 Speedbirdyvr : Both sides are just the same. Fine, the US thinks that Israel and Taiwan should buy US planes because both countries owe their existence to the US. We
48 747-451 : I would agree that Airbus started this stuff, but there was absolutely no other way for a non-American competitor to get into the game given the absur
49 Staffan : Point was that Airbus gets its extra money certain ways, Boeing gets theirs other ways, at the end of the day, they are both getting money, none is be
50 ConcordeBoy : I'd say the point of this particular thread is that it's immeasurably tacky for government officials to be announcing orders for Airbus.
51 Dynkrisolo : Steffan: Please read Reply #42 carefully. Boeing gets government contracts, so does EADS and BAE Systems. Both in absolute and relative terms, EADS an
52 Rongotai : 747-151 - I will concede that Boeing took a major commercial and technological risk in proceeding with the 747 development at a time when they were ou
53 N754pr : They ordered Airbus and we can talk about it till the cows come home but you can't change it. Can't wait to see the A345/A346 in the Thai scheme.
54 N79969 : Boeing CAG bet its own existence at least twice. Once on the 747 and a second time with the 777. If either product had flopped, it could have been McD
55 Varig md-11 : it's incredible...... do you realize France SA is a 60 millions inhabitant country the size of a small US state?? and we lead the sh*t with Airbus and
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