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Air Canada's Milton Calls For 'drastic Action'  
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

http://sympatico.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030513.wairc513/business/Business/businessBN/sympatico-business

A lot of cuts! I wish them all the best in the coming months.

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User currently offlineWestjet_8 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Whats going to happen on routes like Calgary-ORD which was two daily? Will american pick up the slack or will United start to fly the route?



Canadian. RIP 1999
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

I'm not sure. American could go in and take over, but they are bad shape as well.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

YYC-ORD
YYZ-SAN
YYZ-GRR
YYZ-DAY
YVR-IAD
YVR-NGO
YUL-ATL
YUL-SFO
YYZ-STL
YYZ-MKC
YYZ-MSY..


Wow..

Mark


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

A lot of those cuts are temporary, well at least according them to. The ones that I believe are not temporary are the Toronto-Grand Rapids and Toronto-Dayton routes.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Id love to put YYZ-DFW and YYZ-IAH on that list also  Big thumbs up

But the profits are just way too good Big grin

Mark


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Well tough times calls for tough choices and these fit that bill if you ask me. I thought is was a good article tho.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

I was about to say, DFW just has to be a great money maker for Air Canada. Good for them!


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Nuno..

Yep all 35.8 pax per flight  Big thumbs up

Mark


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

YYZ-MSY gone?

Great... our scheduled international service just got cut in half  Sad Angry


User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Some of these routes are seasonal anyways, therefore some of the cuts aren't too drastic. I don't know what position United is in to pick up some of these routes, but YYC-ORD, YVR-IAD, and YUL-SFO could be easily continued if they were remotely profitable.

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

The only seasonals were YULSFO (it only became that in 2002) and YVRIAD..

I hope they are continued later on.

Mark


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3103 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2729 times:
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User currently offlineAirCanadaMan From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Im gonna miss the old YYZ-MSY. Almost everytime I flew down to the MS coast, it was that way.
Took that one quite a few times, back when it was a DC-9, 732 and then finally a A319 at the end.
Which means, that now, I'll either have to fly into BNA or ATL, or just fly Delta into GPT.

Its rather sad to see them in such a state. Although, it seems that the YYZ-NRT route it always played with, dropping it here, adding it there. It would seem the route is hit and miss, at times profitable, and at times utterly useless. Noone, other than AC should be able to comment on the yields though. If there are weight restrictions imposed, then the economy class section becomes a loss/breakeven, where as the Executive Class cabin becomes a cash cow. The economics of AC's super long-haul, (pre A345) are often rather intriguing. (especially with the dropping/adding)

YVR-Nagoya isnt surprising, with ANA as a Star Member, AC could gain for the added traffic to Tokyo, and then connect them onwards with ANA.

Hope for better times...



User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

YYZ-NRT had to be profitable if Air Canada's plan was to make it an A340-500 route.

Mark


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

I just saw that same article in the MyTelus website this morning.

I saw this coming - AC already has altered my upcoming itinerary to Halifax, NS a bit. AC008 (HKG-YVR-YYZ) appears to have been cancelled or reduced drastically in frequency, since the YVR-YYZ segment is now replaced in the same time slot by AC180 - operated by a 762, whereas AC008 would've used the A340-300. There are no other changes to my itinerary - yet. I chose to book the YEG-YVR part later with WestJet. I could not book that part thru AC earlier, not because there weren't any seats, nor any problems with AC or Aeroplan - my brother had warned me not to book that part until later due to uncertainty in his summer employment plans and his plans to move to a new home within the Greater Vancouver area. After all, it's not only cheaper - it's more secure, given AC's serious situation right now. Big grin

Another thing I'm concerned about is this: My aunt who lives in Northern England is supposed to be flying to Alberta for my brother's wedding at the end of this month. For that, she is supposed to fly LHR-YYC, so I wonder if that route is on the chopping block unless loads are high enough. Or will AC simply downgrade the equipment to a 762/763 at best? (LHR-YYC uses the 343 or the 744)


User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Now I don't know much about the technical restrictions placed on the 343 YYZ-NRT flight, but its likely that the YYZ-NRT route is not profitable being operated by the -300, yet Air Canada believed the better ultra-long-range operating economics of the -500 would make the route profitable. This would provide reason behind Air Canada ordering the 340-500 in the first place. Just because the route was planned to be a -500 route, doesn't mean the route is profitable. The decrease in Asian travel, and Air Canada's position of not accepting the new aircraft ultimately chopped this route. YVR-NGO was supposed to be seasonal this summer, but with Air Canada flying the 744's to Osaka and Tokyo, they'll still have a fine presence to Japan.

User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Perhaps the final nail in the coffin for those (launch customer) 345s... and the 346s, too.



User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1633 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

This list actually seems short to me. When Air Canada hit hard times in the past I believe they cut deeper. I have a feeling this might be the first of a couple of announced cuts if they are really in as bad shape as they claim to be. I can't imagine every European and Caribbean/South American route is so strong that there are no needs for route cuts or frequency reductions... Asia is really more volatile than usual because of SARS and Toronto itself has been hit hard by it... Hopefully not enough to strike a really crippling blow to Air Canada. It would seem a good alternative for this carrier would be to rely more on Star Alliance code shares in order to reduce costs and still maintain service to a lot of these cities.



User currently offlineSuperdawg From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

In regards to the YYC-ORD route, I believe UAL just increased their flights so AC will still offer this route but only as a codeshare.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Do AC's problems go back to the merger of Canadian Pacific? Just brought to a head thanks to the down turn in the economy and now SARS? Would it had been this bad in time any way and the economy, recent war and SARS placed it on the fast track to this point?


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

The 345 was originally ordered to operate YYZ-HKG nonstop. The recent planned assignment of it to YYZ-NRT was likely based on the decision to not proceed with YYZ-HKG now and the need to place the 345 on SOME route (any route)......it may as well be the YYZ-NRT since it's about the longest route in the system.

Anyway, clearly AC does not need the 345 and it will not enter service.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
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