Bigphilnyc From United States, joined Jan 2002, 4007 posts, RR: 63 Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3576 times:
Maybe a bias here, but I'd have to say LGA is among them.
Short runways (7,500 ft), with water at the end of all of them (except for the end of runway 22), and taller buildings around it, and some large planes liek 764s coming in.
Not to mention that is had crashes in 89, 92, 93, and 96. Most crashes within a 10 year period perhaps?
Agree? Disagree? What are some others? Which airports have big challenges, and why?
Petazulu From United States, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3517 times:
St. Bartholemy Airport has to be one of the most dangerous ones. Short runway that involves a steep dive between two hilltops.
DCA would also come to mind since the northern approach is quite twisted, the runway is short and you never know when a patriot missile might accidentally get fired up your a*s!
Rick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 59 Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3517 times:
Disagree, try:
Funchal (Madeira) LPMA/FNC
Go off the end there and you're in the sea (after your 200ft drop into it). Severe turbulence off the hills and a "Kai Tak" style final turn to avoid the hills off the end of the runway.
Above thread mentions the reasons, see photos in second to last post. Runway 5,200ft, 98ft wide.
Mykonos (Greek Island) LGMK/JMK
Same reasons as the first two, short runway (6,200ft) on top of a hill with strong gusty crosswinds prevailing and a 98ft wide runway.
All airports are frequented by A320 / B757 equipment of UK and other European charter airlines in the Summer season. La Guardia pilots with their generous 7,500ft runways and distict lack of hills don't know how lucky they have it
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
Demoose From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2001, 1951 posts, RR: 39 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3421 times:
Yeah those airports on the Greek Islands are certainly testing for the best of pilots; the mountanous terrain and lack of decent length runways! Make it's a little more exciting though!
Btw, Koh Samui is the cutest little airport ever, loved seeing the little huts with one for baggage reclaim, one for check in - very tropical!
Delta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 887 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
Reno/Tahoe is very dangerous and I heard that you need an extra training to fly into/out of Reno as the Mountains around are very high and the winds are quite dangerous!
Dragon-wings From United States, joined Apr 2001, 3604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3176 times:
I was just reading something about a approach in FS2002, and it said Courchevel (located in the French Alps) has a dangerous approach. I don't know how true it is cause I never been to the real airport.
DeltaRules From United States, joined Sep 2001, 3202 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3157 times:
The latest issue of Airliners made the approach into SAN sound pretty tricky...is it? I'd also have to say DCA & Kai Tak, when it was open.
How about MBJ or STT? There's water at the end of MBJ's runway & at least at one end of STT's runway (which we landed coming in over the water & took off the opposite direction in a 757 in 1999).
Heinz From Germany, joined Feb 2000, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3163 times:
The Dutch Harbor images remind me of the old Ushuaia / Argentina airport where Aerolineas Argentinas had their share of accidents over the years.
Now of course, though still active for smaller aircraft up to Grumman S2T size, it has been replaced by its more modern brother located only a few miles away.
AA61hvy From United States, joined Nov 1999, 13211 posts, RR: 68 Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
MBJ- Nah they can get off A340's there. It's pretty safe.
STT-Maybe, I saw a 757 take off out of there, and it climbed pretty steeply toward the mountains
I'm going with Kai Tak, St. Barts, DCA, LGA, EWR when the planes are using the 1 short runway, SXM.
EssentialPowr From United States, joined Sep 2000, 1820 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
Undoubtedly HPN...lots of mixed traffic congestion b/t single engine GA bugsmashers, turboprops, and jets...
M717 From United States, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3133 times:
I'd have to say that some of the more "interesting" airports I have flown into include the Greek Islands (in a 757) mentioned by Rick, and some in Alaska..such as DUT (in a 737-200 combi w/gravel kit..see above), VDZ, JNU, KTN, ADK, and ADQ. Someone mentioned RNO. While not particularly challenging, it was consistently windy and turbulent. I operated out of there many times as a pilot with Reno Air. We had special training requirements for the departure/missed approach procedures. However, many airports are considered "special" by the FAA and require special training
Contrails From United States, joined Oct 2000, 1609 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2991 times:
Having used DCA a few hundred times I'm not inclined to consider it all that dangerous--if the weather is good, the pavement is dry and in good shape, and the pilot on the stick is up to it.
BDRules From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2000, 1495 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2965 times:
Im with rick on this one. I flew into and out of Samos (SMI) last October and it was one of the most interesting landings ever. But in the end it was dead straight on the centreline with the best UK charter airline Britannia.
Rick did u fly this route last year????
next up Asiana LHR - ICN - SYD, Virgin Blue SYD - OOL - SYD and Asiana SYD - ICN - LHR
Srbmod From United States, joined Mar 2001, 14245 posts, RR: 62 Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
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My vote goes with BOS. With the airport jutting out into the Harbor, you end up over water at some point in your approach or takeoff. It's another LGA in that aspect.
EGGD From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2001, 12377 posts, RR: 52 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2921 times:
llol..
How is water near an airport dangerous? I'd even say my airport is dangerous but it just isn't. Sure some are different, but it doesn't change much just because you have a little bit of wind sometimes, or there is water around.
Courcheval is dangerous, I watched a video of someone in a Beech King landing there, the plane flew through the Alps and then took a nose-first decent into the airport, they have to pitch the nose below the runway towards the rockface underneath, and then just before the threshold pitch up and apply full breaks to stop by the top of the runway.
Taking off is dangerous too as if you lose an engine, you are screwed.
St. Bartholemy is very dangerous as well, a very steep descent and you are basically a couple of feet above the mountainside as you descend. I heard there have been a couple of crashes in the last couple of years, a VERY tricky approach.
Redngold From United States, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 58 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
Oh, I thought y'all were talking about insecure airports... The ones I've seen listed for major security/terrorism problems (other than banned travel destinations) are Port-au-Prince, Haiti, and Lagos, Nigeria.
redngold
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Sllevin From United States, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 9 Reply 25, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2789 times:
Let's not forget ASE -- down in a valley amongst VERY big rocks...
The miss involves not only a turn, but a fairly decent climb gradient. Severe pucker factor when thinking about it engine-out.
Steve
[Edited 2003-05-15 02:41:27]
26 Goodbye: Visit this site : http://www.dangerous-airports.com It is a database of the most dangerous airports in the world! Some amazing places there!! Courchev
27 N754pr: Taipei is very dangerous for certain airlines
29 Sllevin: Courcheval was the airport used in the James Bond movie (Goldeneye?), wasn't it? Still, while short, the miss isn't that bad -- and to me, the missed
30 Transactoid: What exactly is located at Dutch Island that it warrants such an airport?
31 Sllevin: What exactly is located at Dutch Island that it warrants such an airport? Fish. Lots and lots of fish. Steve
32 YoungDon: Yeah, as I was talking about before, its those fish that make it $1000 R/T coming from Anchorage. Some pretty valuable fish.
33 RayChuang: SAN is dangerous because of that six-storey car park at the end of the runway. I'd like them to demolish that structure before one of these days a pla
34 Jhooper: I'd have to agree with you that LGA is one of the more dangerous airports; especially when the runway is slick! Wow, STT757! Better not be off course
35 707cmf: Sllevin > Nope, Courchevel was not the one used in Goldeneye - that one was in the French Pyrennees, while Courchevel is in the Alps.
36 Apuneger: Hm, Courcheval, France and Lukla, Nepal seem pretty 'dangerous' to me. Ivan
37 AviationMaster: I'd say Lugano (LSZA) has a pretty dangerous approach.
38 Mandala499: Manado (WAMM) is pretty bad. Approach is dual NDB lead in at 080 down to 800ft, and then it's a left turn (lead-in strobe lights are working at least)
39 Rick767: "Rick did u fly this route last year????" BDRules, I have only operated 3 flights to SMI, my first when I was based in MAN then more recently from LGW
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