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User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

Are there any short / medium-haul flights that proved to be successful for flights departing between 10:00PM and 5:00AM ? Are reduced fare strategies very useful in these cases?

Thanks


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User currently offlineSk From Germany, joined Apr 2003, 75 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5232 times:

In Europe - especially Germany - the flights to Turkey are very popular at this time. They may be cheaper then daylight flights, but it's a simple way for the airlines to offer them cheap, because otherwise the aircraft will be parked during the night. And the turkish families living here in Germany do not have a problem using these flights to visit the relatives.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Charter flights  Big thumbs up Cheaper at night so very popular, especially in the UK.


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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Charter flights indeed, our aircraft are nearly all busy through the night in Summer Season. Flew to Ibiza on Wednesday night (23:35 Dep / 05:10 Rtn), doing a night Corfu on 6th June (22:30 Dep / 05:35 Rtn). I much prefer them to early starts, although most of our pilots hate nights.

I think they're great - no traffic around so we get plenty of "directs", usually lovely and smooth, and some of the views at night are spectacular - great view of Barcelona on Wed night from FL370, and flying in over Ibiza town with the Castle all lit up and the nightlife in full swing too  Big grin

Night flights rule!


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User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Any low-cost airline attempted to launch late-night flights?


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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

"Any low-cost airline attempted to launch late-night flights?"

From June until October bmi baby have a daily EMA to IBZ flight
departing 22:10 landing 01:40 then returning 02:15 and landing 03:45.




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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

easyJet have a night Alicante that returns to Newcastle at about 2am in the morning on a saturday night.


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User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Would late-evening flights to central airports be a good option for low-cost airlines?


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User currently offlineQANTAS747 From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Qantas has its late one deparitng from PER going to SYD and MEL every night around 2340-0005. And this is a traditional flight where the cheap seats are offered. These flights from perth are commonly know as the Red-eye specials

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User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

JetBlue has numerous late night flights from JFK to the west coast of the US. Most leave at 9:30pm ish. The return flights leave at 1-2 am local time on the west coast and arrive just in time for work in the morning. In fact- there are many flights like this by all US carriers.

JetBlue takes it to a new level. For example the only flight on the JFK-Denver route is a late-night flight.


User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Many , many moons ago Aer Lingus used to offer "Starflights" and "Dawnflights" at reduced fares, well reduced compared to the regular fares anyhow, on the Irish sea routes, especially to London. I think they did Paris too,

That was in a situation when they were the only carrier on most of the routes and it usefully extended their utilisation of their aircraft, - as well as always generating good loads and diluting criticism of the high fares.

They died out sometime in the early 1970's.

I suspect you could buy today a flight cheaper in money terms, let alone real terms, due to enhanced competition than any "starflights" or dawnflights".


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

Both JB and AA have late night flights from JFK to San Juan (they are very popular with the rowdy crowd , they do everything but sleep - and they are usually very cheap ) JB also has a 2am departure from San Juan to New York .
Chepos



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5116 times:
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I am most likely dating myself tho Eastern Airlines use to offer late night flights greatly discounted. I think they even had there own name that they were promoted with, anyone else remember this?


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

DL out of CVG and ATL, I believe, have a lot of late-night service. I think DL has departures after 11pm to Florida out of ATL, and I know they have some flight after 11pm to the northeast out of CVG. I've used some of those flights out of CVG for rerouting oversold customersi in the past. They seem to be the exception though.

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5091 times:
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Olympic's ATH-MAN arrives here at 21.30 and leaves around 22.30, and LPL has various early morning flights by easyJet.

David


User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

A question for the Southwest Airlines' specialists: SW is well-known for avoiding direct competition at all costs, so would flying late-night to central airports be a good option to expand operations?




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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5060 times:
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Not really as they do not go into markets with one or two flights only. Look at the cities they serve and they run 10 to 15 flights a day minimum. Also they run so many flights they need some down time for there airplanes.


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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Flights between south-east Asia and north-east Asia departs after 10 pm and they are pretty popular. Also, US transcontinental flight (from west to east) are pretty popular.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4984 times:
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I am most likely dating myself tho Eastern Airlines use to offer late night flights greatly discounted. I think they even had there own name that they were promoted with, anyone else remember this?

Yes. Eastern Air Lines leased the bellies of their A-300s out at night to a freight operator in Houston. EA crews flew the planes as freighters by night, but management realized there was untapped revenue...the seats, which were going empty!

So, EA offered deeply discounted fares on these flights (all connecting via IAH), marketed as "The Moonlight Special." You had to fly on these late-night flights only, and couldn't take any checked baggage since the belly was already full of freight.

The ad campaign even used an up-tempo version of CCR's song "The Midnight Special" for the commercials, showing all sorts of energetic travelers filling the terminal:

If you're headin' for the East Coast, there's a new way to fly.
It's Eastern's Moonlight Special, and the price ain't high


The announcer would then mention the restrictions, and the song continued:

When the sun goes down, down...then the price does too. Let Eastern's Moonlight Special...shine it's ever-lovin' light on you..

And then flash to a backlit A-300 sitting on the ramp, ready to go.

The promotion was a huge success, as the planes were already paid for by the freight company (I believe it was CF) and the passengers were the gravy on top. It didn't last long, though; CF ended the contract and did their own flying.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4959 times:
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Thanks that was a blast from the past. I knew it was a big promotion and all. Appreciate you taking the time.


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User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2179 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Rick,

Can ya return my last email please?  Smile

Henry


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

UNITED DEN-IAD it use to leave at 11:59pm, i dont know if it still there.


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User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

I think it depends on the location and route.

For example, many flights leaving Hawaii going to the continental US leave during the late night. These "red eye" flights arrive on the west coast at dawn. Many passengers like it because it is a 5 our flight to cross the Pacific so they can get some sleep and they can catch an early morning connecting flight to their final destination and be home in time for dinner.


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

I took an AA charter with Club Med from DFW-HUX we left DFW at 11:30pm and got to HUX at 2:30 a.m. We left HUX at 3:30 a.m. and got to DFW at 6:15 a.m. I did that run 3x's.


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User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

America West by far has the largest amount of late night flights of any carrier, mainly from the LAS hub but a couple from the PHX hub as well, to the west coast, east coast and I beleive we still have a few red eyes to the midwest as well.

25 MAH4546 : Martinair, on Saturdays, as a 0130 departure from MIA to Amsterdam Schipol (other four days when it operates as AMS-MIA-SJO and back, it is a little m
26 DeltAirlines : I know that there are some flights from the West Coast to Texas that take off between 0100-0200, which arrive 0500-0600, just in time for the first ba
27 Flymia : I think United or AA has an flight that leaves SFO at around 11:00pm and lands in MIA at Around 5:00 AM
28 Continental : I know that MSP has flights leaving around 10pm, like a lot of flights! Also, a ton arrive anywhere from 4-6 am, especially the LAS flights! co
29 WMUPilot : Look at ATA and their late flights from MDW. Most that leave MDW at night arrive at their destination around midnight. I know that is not extremely la
30 Post contains images Concorde1518 : With WN's high fleet utilization, the planes all stay grounded overnight, and knowing WN, they aren't about to change their business model to do redey
31 Ilyag : Well, you have plenty on nigh-flights in TLV. For example, LX and LH both operate night flights with A332/A343 that arrive in TLV at 3:50AM and depart
32 Portcolumbus : I usually take the late-night return LAS-CMH. Departs at 12:35am and gets into CMH at around 7am.
33 Ciro : Lu2fly, regarding SW: "Not really as they do not go into markets with one or two flights only. Look at the cities they serve and they run 10 to 15 fli
34 ContinentalEWR : American had, perhaps it still does, have the last departure from JFK to LHR on a flight departing at 11:25pm or 11:40pm, arriving at around noon. On
35 717-200 : Air Tran will have its first late night flights starting in June from LAX and LAS to ATL with the A320's operated by Ryan Intl on our behalf Flight 2
36 Scottb : The problem with cut-rate night flights geared towards increased utilization is that most of your variable costs still apply to those night flights --
37 Captaink : BWIA 524 GND/JFK - Dept11:05P/Arr4:00P BWIA 525 JFK?GND - Dept11:55P/Arr:4:55A This is during the summber period and exact times of flights have been
38 Ciro : Scottb, interesting analysis... However airlines, like Ryanair, do quite well due the generous reductions in landing fees; so why not applying them on
39 Scott4AA : I think AA has a LAS-DFW leaving about 12:50am
40 Gigneil : Unfortunately, in the trimming of their route schedule UA eliminated most of their very late night flights and very early morning departures. Now of c
41 WMUPilot : ATA also has a red eye out of LAX, SFO, and PHX to MDW....not sure if there is a red eye to IND from those cities. These flights are usually pretty fu
42 Babaero : CX offer pax travel on its DHL flights to KIX,SIN,and ICN, departures from HKG are around 0200am
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