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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3221 posts, RR: 9
Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Some US airlines have fortress hubs that are tried and true. (DL at ATL, UA at ORD, etc).

Two questions here:

1) Which airlines had fortress hubs in which cities, and then sold out in the face of competition (example: CO at DEN)

2) Which airlines tried to set up hubs in which cities, but they only lasted a handful of years (ex: TW at ATL, or AA at BNA)


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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Eastern at MCI
Braniff 1 at MCI
Braniff 2 at MCI
USAir at MCI
Vanguard at MCI


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Eastern at MCI
Braniff 1 at MCI
Braniff 2 at MCI
USAir at MCI
Vanguard at MCI


Do I detect a slight pattern here?  Yeah sure There looks like there might be something there but I'm not sure what  Wink/being sarcastic!

How about adding:
USAirways at BWI?
Northwest at MEM?

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

How about adding:
USAirways at BWI?
Northwest at MEM?


MEM is still a hub for NW.
I'd add AA at RDU.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

HP will be shutting its Columbus hub soon.


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4218 times:


Eastern at MCI
Braniff 1 at MCI
Braniff 2 at MCI
USAir at MCI
Vanguard at MCI


You forgot:

TWA at MCI!  Smile

Steve


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

1. Western Pacific at COS
2. Western Pacific at DIA
3. Markair at Stapleton



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

add to those:

DL @ LAX
DL @ FRA

CO @ LAX
CO @ GSO

AA @ BNA
AA @ SJC

UA @ MIA

BA @ LGW


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Also, DL at PDX.

Jeff


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3221 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Airline by airline:

() indicates mini hub or focus city

many have been mentioned already, I am just on a stream of thought:

EA: MCI, CLT
US: DAY, SYR, BWI, (MCI), (IND)
RC: PHX, (ATL)
NW: (BOS)
AA: BNA, RDU
UA: CLE
TW: ATL, MCI
CO: DEN, GSO
NY: (RDU)



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User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Northwest still has a hub in MEM. It's not even just a regional hub either... they have flights to DC, NY, and the New England cities, and also to PHX, DEN, LAS, and the West coast.

Perhaps we can soon add USAirways at PIT.

How about Delta's mainline hub at DFW? Due to competition from American, it's mostly CRJ's operated by ASA, Comair, and Skywest. Mainline Delta only goes to the big cities on or near the West coast, the major Florida cities, and the Delta hubs (ATL, CVG, SLC), with very few others in between. They don't even have widebodies there anymore (or if they still do have a few now, they won't in a few months).


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

US: DAY, SYR, BWI, (MCI), (IND)

US inherited the hubs at DAY and SYR when it acquired Empire. The scaling back of those hubs in subsequent years wasn't really a matter of failure, or the hubs not working.




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User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4098 times:

Wow, this thread is growing fast... When I started to type my reply regarding NW's MEM hub, reply #2 was the last on the list! Sorry for the redundant post there.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6609 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

NW had a small hub at TPA in the mid 80s. 4 banks of 6 flights, but it still fit in the definition of a HUB. Shut down after the RC merger.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Pride Air at MSY.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



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User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 650 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

I think MEM is our best Hub as for On-time Performance. The local Traffic isn't there.


I don't care who you fly just as long as you fly
User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Oh yeah, that reminds me. US Airways Express had a regional hub at MSY. Among other Southeastern cities, JAN, my hometown, got daily Beech 1900 service from there. That was discontinued about 2 or 3 years ago.

User currently offlineIAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

How about:

AA at BNA
AA at RDU

CO at GSO
CO at DEN

DL at SEA
NW at SEA
UA at MIA
UA at EWR
UA at CLE

Not all of these hubs were necessarily not successful but closed/scaled back for various reasons. Future major scale backs I forsee are:

UA at IAD
UA at DIA

US at PIT

CO at CLE

DL at SLC

NW at MEM

Midex everywhere



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User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 415 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

CO in El Paso. I think that might have been started in the 80's?

User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3221 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Prosa,

Point well taken. BUT FWIW, DAY was not an UR hub, but rather a PI hub.

Another interesting point has been raised...

Just because a hub closes down, it does mean it was an unsuccessful hub. If US closes the PIT hub, I would hardly call the decades of hub status there a failure.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6609 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

IAHERJ, DL at SEA??????????

I think you mean DL at PDX.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

With UA's huge cut at LAX, would it be considered a successful or unsuccessful hub now?

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

"Focus Cities" aka minihubs:
AirTran @ PIT
Vanguard @ ATL
Valujet @ IAD (downsized in the restart)


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

I wouldn't say that the TWA hub at MCI was unsuccessful; rather, TWA decided to move its hub to STL to consolidate operations. Prior to that, TWA *owned* MCI.


redngold



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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Prior to that, TWA *owned* MCI.

Actually they "owned" MCI right up to the day that those red bellied war birds showed up....


25 Luv2fly : OK how about Pro Air at DET And WN at DET I believe EA had a mini HUB at BWI Also the dreaded NW at MKE
26 Caravelle : OSL didn't work at all - too bad. caravelle
27 UN_B732 : Business Express@BOSTON. CommutAir@ALBANY, their loads are horrible. -Transaero Boeing 737-200
28 Zrs70 : UN: I think that BizEx at BOS did work. The airline, itself, did not!
29 727LOVER : I don't remember EA having a hub at BWI. They had one at PHL.
30 Ord : Don't forget United's mini-hub in Orlando in the early 1990s. They had about 50 departures a day. And up until about 1984 Delta had a significant oper
31 Luv2fly : How about TWA in ATL
32 Jsnww81 : Continental's Denver pullout was probably the biggest hub abandonment in history. After acquiring Frontier in 1986-1987 they controlled two of Staplet
33 HlywdCatft : AA at DTW in the 70s before RC moved in USAirways at MCO- remember the Metrojet service there, the only cities served from MCO by US now is PIT, CLT,
34 TLHFLA : NW had a hub at TPA in the 80's? Where did they fly to nonstop? Also, does anyone know some of the destinations for UA's early 90's MCO hub? I never t
35 Luv2fly : One route out of TPA was MBJ.
36 Delta-flyer : EA had a hub in STL in the 70's. Pete
37 TLHFLA : Yeah. I remember the route to MBJ. It was operated with a 727-200. There was also a route to CUN operated that was operated with either a DC-9 or 727
38 Luv2fly : I believe you are right as BOS was also a mini hub for NWA as was DCA
39 Chepos : Gulfstream International was trying to build up presence in the West Inidies by basing some planes at San Juan - that lasted for about 2 years or less
40 STT757 : UAL @ MCO UAL @ MIA DL @ FRA NWA @ DCA NWA @ BOS US @ CLE US @ DAY US @ IND US @ Syracuse
41 Ord : United's Orlando mini-hub of the early 1990s served many Florida cities (such as Miami, Tampa, Ft. Lauderdale, West Palm Beach) and many east coast de
42 Azo : Where did WN fly to out of DET? I did not know it was enough flights to be called a "mini-hub."
43 Timf : I don't think you could call any Southwest cities hubs, because they use a point-to-point system rather than a hub system. There may be cities with mo
44 Trey : did UA abandon MIA for thier S. Amer. routes? I was not aware of that. Used to see 747 and such down there, is that no longer?
45 N766UA : US @ CLE?? US Air never tried to hub Cleveland.
46 EA CO AS : Actually, EA's hub at MCI was a successful operation. It was eliminated in a round of severe cost-cutting measures though. If you want a good example
47 Tekelberry : NW at MKE? might be coming back slowly, I see that later this year NW will be flying direct MKE-MCO daily non stop, that came as a surprise. I saw it
48 Coronado : RC - Las Vegas within a year or two of the acquisition by Republic of the Hughes Air West ''yellow banana' line they started scaling back their operat
49 Sjc>sfo : I'd say SJC for AA... though I'm not sure they ever intended it for anything but a focus city; their presence is still very strong, and I'd be willing
50 STT757 : Actually US Air was quite large at CLE, they competed with CO for a few years. They flew DC-9s and 737s to .. Montreal, Toronto, Florida, Boston, EWR,
51 MAH4546 : From MIA, United Airlines still serves Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, and Montevideo daily. Rio de Janeiro should be back by February in time for Carnaval i
52 Delta777Jet : You all forgot TWA @ STL
53 N766UA : STT757- That's still not a hub.
54 Jhooper : Can DL even call DFW a hub still?
55 FlyPNS1 : Can DL even call DFW a hub still? Though not much in terms of mainline these days with 270+ daily flights, DL's operation is still a hub.....it's just
56 Flaps : TW @ PIT Shut down due to lack of slots when ATC strike led to the firing of most of the controllers. Service to LGW, FRA, BOS, PHL, ORD, LAX, SFO, ST
57 STT757 : US Air had more flights (jet flights, no RJs) out of CLE back in 1990 then CO has now. 3-4 daily to Toronto, 2-3 daily to Montreal Multiple jet flight
58 N766UA : I don't ever recall seeing more than 5 or 6 USAirs at a time. The meatballs were the ones eating up gate space.
59 727_gal : didn't DL have a hub at MEM once? what happened there?
60 JohnJ : Yes, MEM did have a Delta hub back into the early 1980s. It was dumped almost overnight when Republic announced a major expansion at MEM. Also, this w
61 FSPilot747 : This could easily be a parody thread. "Hubs that didn't work..." 1) Botswana Int'l (for United Airlines) Feel free to kick me if someone else already
62 Flyboy7974 : does anybody remember back in the mid 80s when continental had a huge operation out of sjc. they operated up and down the west coast corridor, and the
63 STT757 : N766UA, How old were you in '89-'90, perhaps that's why you "don't remember".
64 Ual777contrail : zrs70, What time period did UAL every try to operate a hub in CLE? IAHRJ, When did UAL operate a hub in CLE? And just so you know DIA is the airport n
65 AA61hvy : I don't know how Peidmont had a hub at DAY. Take it from me, I don't know how anyone could have a hub at that airport.
66 N766UA : I was 6. I went to the airport with my dad all the time, though, so I remember. I know they had a few flights, but not anywhere near what CO had. Ual7
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