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Do Aircraft Loose Performance With Age?  
User currently offlineSAA-SAL From Belgium, joined Nov 2000, 356 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

I often hear of comments on this forum of people saying that a certain aircraft has bad performance because it is getting old when new aircraft of the same model are still coming off the production line. The best examples concern A340 "classics" and the B767 family. So here is my question : do aircraft loose performance with age. I can imagine a 1% change during an aircrafts' life but surely no more? Do this really justify replacing them with very expensive newer aircraft?

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SAA-SAL


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13556 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2338 times:
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I'd imagine the main decline in "performance" doesn't have to do with the plane's physical characteristics (power, handling, etc) but rather the plane's reliability, or lack thereof.

In other words, a new A-320 will be perceived as performing better than the 12 year old A-320 that is a hangar queen and is routinely down for maintenance.



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User currently offlineDouglas DC-9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

It all depends on what kind of aircraft it is and how often it is used, as well as what type of weather climate it normally flys into. For example, if it flys in cooler weather the aircraft may have waterlines freeze up.


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User currently offlineGoing64 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

I guess it is all a matter of maintenance. Just have a look how long KLM has been flying so far with the 747 series. Some of them +30 years!

Peter


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

I know that the B-52 cannot achieve some of the original performance specs (speed, altitude, etc) because of additional antennas, radomes added that increases drag. Also the skin is wrinkled forward of the wing.


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User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Absolutely, aircraft lose performance with age. Any aircraft. Many things contribute to degraded performance like:

1. Aircraft get bent. Hard landings, turbulence, high G manuvers, and many other things mean that an aircraft becomes slightly bent. Very few aircraft trim exactly the same, and some require really weird trim like 3.5 units right rudder trim and 1 unit left aileron. Original performance specs are done on straight, new aircraft without the added drag of a twisted airframe.

2. Aircraft get lumpy. Check out the doublers and extra rivets on older aircraft. Check out the patches on leading edges. The orginal, new aircraft came from the manufacter with nice smooth skin. Lumps mean more drag,

3. Aircraft get bumpy. Old aircraft are covered in little dents. Dents small enough that they don't require repair. Bumps mean more drag and higher fuel burn.

4. Aircraft get out of trim. The rigging on flight control surfaces can get out of spec after awhile meaning that a level yoke may give you less that level flight. Agin you end up flying slightly out of trim and thus increase drag.

5. Aircraft get fat. They get heavier over the years with an accumulation of dirt, grease, and stuff. Spilled cokes, peanuts, tools (mechs leave them often), and just little bits of crap. The older the aircraft the heavier it gets. Only the original W&B is going to be accurate.

6. Aircraft get tired. Specifically engines get tired. The closer they get to overhaul the more worn they get and the less thrust they produce.


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