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American A300-600s.....  
User currently offlineUk_dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2592 posts, RR: 30
Posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

What are AA's plans for the A300-600 fleet?

I saw a documentary on TV last week where there were AA flightdeck crew who refused to fly them and transferred to Boeing types because of the 'allegedly' faulty rudder which AA seemed to blame for the A300 crash in NYC. Airbus Industrie argued that the rudder should not have been used in such a way in the situation that they were faced with on that flight.

Are there plans to replace them in the near future, or are they to be a long-term part of AA's fleet?

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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

I hope that they stay for a while, I see two come in a day at MCO- one from MIA in the morning and one from SJU in the early afternoon. They make a cool sound as they pass overhead about 1000 ft.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

No immediate plans for replacement. They are not part of AA's long term fleet plan but will be around for a while. Currently there are 34 in service, however some are in temporary (rolling) storage. The first A300 comes off lease in 2007 with the last of them coming off lease in 2012 or so.

The only way this would change is..
1) Ch.11 reorganization and voiding of contracts/leases
2) Someone would buy them, likely for freighter service
3) AA could exercise their return clause but I do not know if this deal still stands as it did when they were initially delivered.

They put in their time in the Carribbean, Central America, and East Coast. AA will likely keep them for the full term of the lease as they have no suitable replacement at the time.


User currently offlineScott4AA From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

Maybe..when times improve..they can be replaced with the 7E7


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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8501 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3209 times:
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Unless things at AA take a major turn for the worst the A300's are likely to stay in AA's fleet until the leases expire.

Though an 'oddball' in the fleet,they are huge revenue earners due to the large cargo capacity.

It will be a sad say when the last A300 leaves AA's fleet,apart from the accident,they have provided excellent service.

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3204 times:

And are these flight crews transferring to the 737 or, shudder, "Boeing" MD-80? I suspect not as seniority to be in the A300 mix means they've got enough to go to 767s and 757s, even a few to the 777. Just curious.


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User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3193 times:

Is that the first accident for an A300-600?


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3167 times:

No but is is the first where structural defect is suspected.


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3166 times:

No, there have been 3 other A300-600 accidents.

Two on China Airlines and one on Korean Air.

However, they were all pilot error.

Has Boeing given any details on the 7E7's cargo capabilities?

The A300's plus is it's tremendous cargo capacity making it the ultimate aircraft for routes to South America where cargo volume is very high. That's one thing the 767 greatly lacks, cargo capacity.

That's why American Airlines is keeping the A300s for a while and flies them mostly out of Miami (MIA).

If the 7E7's cargo capability will be comparable to the A300s cargo capability, then I am sure American Airlines would love to get there hands on a batch.

That is if things improve for them.

Regards



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3140 times:

15 757-300s and 20 767-400 ought to handle the load.


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User currently onlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

As long as you brought up the A300-600R, I was curious if anyone knows why this version of the A300 does not have an outboard aileron.

Thanks.


User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

IF AA cannot get the leases renewed, as they come up for that, at great rates, then I might suspect that Boeing might be in the mood to cut a deal on a fleet of 764's. I am not sure how the cargo capacity compares..I suspect close tho.

IF the USAF places the order for 100 B-767 Cargo/Tankers in a few months, to begin replacing ancient KC-135's, the 767 line at Everett would be humming along and easy for Boeing to work in 30-40 767-400s.

In the end, I bet they get a cheap renewal for additional 5 yrs or so, since the market is saturated with used aircraft already

Just my 2 cents worth!


User currently offlineMASB747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Currently there are 34 in service, however some are in temporary (rolling) storage

Hasn´t their number shrunk to 33 after the Queens crash ?

BTW I hope they stay around for at least another decade since I rise serious hopes to fly on one of them in the near future + they look sharp in the AA colours . Big grin


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

They had 35 A300s before the crash of flight 587.


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User currently offlineMASB747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

OOps ,my bad  Wow! I always thought AA had taken delivery of 34 buses.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

The AA A300B4-600R's are NOT leaving the AA fleet anytime soon.

The reason is simple: ample cargo capacity for its passenger load. This is vital for flights from JFK and MIA to Caribbean destinations, given that passengers on these flights tend to carry everything but the kitchen sink (and are more than willing to pay the excess luggage charges). TW failed on its JFK-SJU route because their 757-200's had a relatively poor luggage allowance, something ex-pat Puerto Ricans in NYC dislike.

I expect AA to continue flying the AB6 until the airframe life runs out if AA continues to have strong Caribbean presence.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

767-400s would clearly not be equal replacements of the aircraft....

As has been discussed repeatedly above the key to the aircraft's success on South American routes is its strong cargo capability and its ability to carry standard containers, neither of which the 764 has.

The A300 is also optimized for these short(ish) routes to the Caribbean and northern South America.

AA took 35 new GE powered A300B4-605Rs.

N


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

The cargo capacity is not such a big deal, AA has plenty of 777s (and more on order) that could make a couple runs from JFK and MIA to Santo Domingo or San Juan.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

I really think that the South American routes are the key cargo routes.

The 777s are configured in a 3 class international setup, while the A300 is setup more as a domestic and high-density configuration.

The 777 is also a tad overkill.

N


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Tower, Pan Am, Eastern all flew 747s into the Caribean from JFK.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Delta also used to fly a 747 ATL-DAL-LAX, but that's not too relevant to today's market, is it?  Laugh out loud


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N


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

About the 787 (7E7 althoug for me it is already the 787) replacing them, arent they pretty heavy, made for longhaul, or will they have an A marktet variant?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

There apparently will be a shorter range variant, but who knows at this early stage in the game.

N


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

The A300 is a cool aircraft.. Being in the caribbean i get to fly on it usually on my flight MIA/SJU. The SJU/MIA is usually a 738, and sometimes 752. It is a nice relaxing aircraft... LONG LIVE.


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2409 times:

American has 34 A300-600's (there were 35 but one was lost in the crash of AA 587). The A300 has excellent cargo capacity and is also ideally suited for the high density operations AA has into the Caribbean and northern Latin Am. from New York/JFK and Miami.

American used to operate some A300's across the Atlantic to Heathrow from JFK and Boston, and from Boston to Paris and Miami to Madrid. All 8 of these A300-600's for North Atlantic operations had PTV's and power ports for laptop computers in the Business Class cabin.

ContinentalEWR


25 AA767400 : ContinentalEWR, AA never used A300's on MIA-MAD.
26 STT757 : The A300-600 does not have the legs for MIA-MAD, EWR, JFK, BOS-LHR was stretching it's range.
27 Gigneil : Technically, the A300-600R can make it MIA-MAD, but not with any extra cargo. I'd be surprised if AA used it on such a lucrative route. N
28 777gk : I worked a few EWR-SJU rotations this winter, and on most flights we would be pushing packed to the gills in the cabin and below. I would stand by the
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