Uk_dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2595 posts, RR: 30 Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
What are AA's plans for the A300-600 fleet?
I saw a documentary on TV last week where there were AA flightdeck crew who refused to fly them and transferred to Boeing types because of the 'allegedly' faulty rudder which AA seemed to blame for the A300 crash in NYC. Airbus Industrie argued that the rudder should not have been used in such a way in the situation that they were faced with on that flight.
Are there plans to replace them in the near future, or are they to be a long-term part of AA's fleet?
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
No immediate plans for replacement. They are not part of AA's long term fleet plan but will be around for a while. Currently there are 34 in service, however some are in temporary (rolling) storage. The first A300 comes off lease in 2007 with the last of them coming off lease in 2012 or so.
The only way this would change is..
1) Ch.11 reorganization and voiding of contracts/leases
2) Someone would buy them, likely for freighter service
3) AA could exercise their return clause but I do not know if this deal still stands as it did when they were initially delivered.
They put in their time in the Carribbean, Central America, and East Coast. AA will likely keep them for the full term of the lease as they have no suitable replacement at the time.
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
And are these flight crews transferring to the 737 or, shudder, "Boeing" MD-80? I suspect not as seniority to be in the A300 mix means they've got enough to go to 767s and 757s, even a few to the 777. Just curious.
Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2946 times:
IF AA cannot get the leases renewed, as they come up for that, at great rates, then I might suspect that Boeing might be in the mood to cut a deal on a fleet of 764's. I am not sure how the cargo capacity compares..I suspect close tho.
IF the USAF places the order for 100 B-767 Cargo/Tankers in a few months, to begin replacing ancient KC-135's, the 767 line at Everett would be humming along and easy for Boeing to work in 30-40 767-400s.
In the end, I bet they get a cheap renewal for additional 5 yrs or so, since the market is saturated with used aircraft already
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2856 times:
The AA A300B4-600R's are NOT leaving the AA fleet anytime soon.
The reason is simple: ample cargo capacity for its passenger load. This is vital for flights from JFK and MIA to Caribbean destinations, given that passengers on these flights tend to carry everything but the kitchen sink (and are more than willing to pay the excess luggage charges). TW failed on its JFK-SJU route because their 757-200's had a relatively poor luggage allowance, something ex-pat Puerto Ricans in NYC dislike.
I expect AA to continue flying the AB6 until the airframe life runs out if AA continues to have strong Caribbean presence.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2750 times:
767-400s would clearly not be equal replacements of the aircraft....
As has been discussed repeatedly above the key to the aircraft's success on South American routes is its strong cargo capability and its ability to carry standard containers, neither of which the 764 has.
The A300 is also optimized for these short(ish) routes to the Caribbean and northern South America.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2432 times:
American has 34 A300-600's (there were 35 but one was lost in the crash of AA 587). The A300 has excellent cargo capacity and is also ideally suited for the high density operations AA has into the Caribbean and northern Latin Am. from New York/JFK and Miami.
American used to operate some A300's across the Atlantic to Heathrow from JFK and Boston, and from Boston to Paris and Miami to Madrid. All 8 of these A300-600's for North Atlantic operations had PTV's and power ports for laptop computers in the Business Class cabin.
: ContinentalEWR, AA never used A300's on MIA-MAD.
: The A300-600 does not have the legs for MIA-MAD, EWR, JFK, BOS-LHR was stretching it's range.
: Technically, the A300-600R can make it MIA-MAD, but not with any extra cargo. I'd be surprised if AA used it on such a lucrative route. N
: I worked a few EWR-SJU rotations this winter, and on most flights we would be pushing packed to the gills in the cabin and below. I would stand by the