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AC: No YUL-FCO; Red. YYZ-Europe; LH Red. YUL-MUC  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

Air Canada has canceled the introduction of Montreal-Rome flights. To have been operated 3x per week, they will not fly the route this summer. Also, various reductions in frequency between Toronto and Glasgow, Manchester, Amsterdam, and Copenhagen.

In addition, Lufthansa's Montreal-Munich service will not be daily. Instead only Monday, Thursday, and Saturday.


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User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1637 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

I guess we will hear of more cuts to come as they struggle to get back into financial shape.. too bad for those routes. What's the source by the way?

User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Wow, that's interesting. Would be good to get a source for sure. If FLYYUL hears about this on his vacation, he'll flip!  Smile


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineMunich From Germany, joined Mar 2002, 155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

In addition, Lufthansa's Montreal-Munich service will not be daily. Instead only Monday, Thursday, and Saturday.

Where have you gotten this information, MAH4546?

I only have the information, that this flight will be delayed from today to June, 14th, but than daily.



Regards! Robert alias munich
User currently onlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

Any one think it will return for summer 2004?

User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1637 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Munich - we know about he flight reduction of Lufthansa to Montreal for a little while now.. it's disappointing but hopefully it will increase in frequency over time. To bad about the other routes a well.. expecially Rome. I wonder if Alitalia will consider starting it up again? Any idea what the reductions will be from Toronto? It's going to be a tougher year for them I'm afraid. Let's hope for the best.

Doug


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4250 times:

Greetings from Cozumel Mexico..

It is quite sad to hear all this news... nobody expected such a cinderella summer at YUL, we knew like the rest the good news would turn sour, and what seems to be perhaps the toughest year in international travel.

The good thing is that withtheflight reductions almost all LH flights this summer are sold-out per the availability charts that ive jsutchecked.... and as for FCO... Imean its only a matter of time until somebody will start flying to Italy from Montreal.

Mark


User currently onlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4234 times:

If it's not AC, it might be AZ, though they are in financial trouble as well.

Any way, enjoy your stay in Cozumel, Mark!


User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4217 times:

I agree with Mark, it will be only a matter of time before someone flies direct from YUL to Italy. I hope it would be AZ, so there can be something besides plain old AC aircraft at YUL!

Have a good trip, Mark.



"Trying is the first step towards failure" -Homer Simpson
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Thanks Jayce...

I was lookingat non-reving to FCO this summer with AC on an ID90..

So I asked for three dates

June 20
June 22
June 27

The highest load was booked at 175, and the lowest at 117 pax (out of a 228Y 767-300ER).....

So I am dissapointed, but I know that there will be flights to Italy, just a matter of time and health of the aviation industry.

BOS-FCO/CVG-FCO/DTW-FCO all in the lists of chops as well.

Mark


User currently onlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Romours are going around now that AZ is looking into flying FCO-YUL-YYZ-FCO and most likely MXP-YYZ-YUL-MXP...

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

YYZ-CPH is gonna be delayed until July it seems..

Mark


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Good to see Beirut (BEY) being spared.

Anyone know how the loads are so far?

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

BA the loads are full..

Many flights sold-out an hour after the announcement of theflight..

The first flight is booked at 237 last time I checked out of 228Y... this flight should be a keeper forAC

Mark


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Hmm....perhaps they should make it a year-round route?

FLYYUL,

Look for MEA in Montreal (YUL) this fall. If you wanna know more, get on AOL Instant Messanger.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

BA,

Are there really plans by MEA to operate to Montreal??

EurostarVA



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

EurostarVA,

There is no confirmation, but I heard this fall MEA is planning to start service to Montreal via CDG.

Again, no confirmation. So it may not be true.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently onlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Would there be a connection at CDG or just a stop over?

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Noise,

Just a stop over.

Basically, you WILL be seeing an A330-200 in MEA colors in YUL this fall. Something new to spot.

Regards

[Edited 2003-05-20 01:48:36]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Hey BA..

What is your source?

Mark


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

FLYYUL,

Get online tommorow and I will tell you.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

AZ is looking into flying FCO-YUL-YYZ-FCO and most likely MXP-YYZ-YUL-MXP...>

Alitalia only flies to YYZ from MXP, they could extend the route to YUL, but they won't start the same route via FCO (codeshare agreement with AC wich operates the YYZ-FCO). AZ is retiring 3 remaining MD11 combi and thus cancelling the historical MXP-KIX... no way they could start another route.

DaV



Two monologues do not make a dialogue
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

BA..

Im on a cruise boat in the middle of the ocean and this is costing me 0.75 cents a minute..

Can you please elaborate?

Thx,

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16253 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3811 times:

It is quite sad to hear all this news... nobody expected such a cinderella summer at YUL,

Mark, until last week you were waxing poetic about the growth prospects at YUL this summer. I think you did indeed expect a cinderella summer at YUL.

I know that there will be flights to Italy, just a matter of time and health of the aviation industry.

It has less to do with the health of the industry than the market potential for YUL-Italy. The industry is also poor in YYZ, MIA, JFK, BOS, ORD, LAX etc, yet Italy nonstops from these markets continue......





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32781 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

It has less to do with the health of the industry than the market potential for YUL-Italy. The industry is also poor in YYZ, MIA, JFK, BOS, ORD, LAX etc, yet Italy nonstops from these markets continue......

LAX has not had non-stops to Italy since March 2002. Can't speak for other markets, but poor industry aside, the fashion industry is doing fine, and that is what keeps Alitalia's MIA-MXP a money maker.



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25 FLYYUL : Neil what can I say... there are a few cuts from YYZ also... i know of many flights booked at over 180 to FCO out of YUL but in all Y.. its only a mat
26 Noise : AZ is retiring 3 remaining MD11 combi and thus cancelling the historical MXP-KIX... no way they could start another route. Yeah, but they will/would s
27 Flpuck6 : Air France will be adding a 3rd daily (seasonal) service... AF344/345 A343 AF346/347 744 AF348/349 A343 THAT's some good news
28 Marco : there are a few cuts from YYZ also... i know of many flights booked at over 180 to FCO out of YUL but in all Y.. its only a matter of time until someb
29 FLYYUL : Marco. Those numbers came from AC RESIII... Why I decided to get these numbers? I was looking to purchase an ID90 fare to FCO this summer, my girlfrie
30 Donder10 : Does YUL have MXP flights currently?
31 Noise : Nope. No flights to Italy.
32 Post contains images Marco : Thanks Mark. I'm not surprised at the loads. Montreal has a huge Italian community (fortunately )!
33 LH423 : For some reason FCO has never been a money maker. When Malpensa opened in 2000 AZ made a huge change and focused more on Milan, transferring most of t
34 DaV : Yeah, but they will/would start this route when they get their 2 new 777s. There are other priorities before a YUL-Italy! To mention a few: the suppos
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