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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12597 times:

After announcing it's first profit in 5 years, Malaysia Air (MH) have also announced the following changes to its schedule:

Adelaide: 4th frequency to be introduced in July.
Sydney, Melbourne, Perth: Expected to increase frequencies to these cities when the northern winter 2003 schedules begin.

Bangalore: 3rd frequency to be introduced in October.
Balikpapan: New destinations for MAS to be inaugurated in July, served from either Kuching or Kota Kinabalu.
Colombo: 3rd frequency to be introduced in July.
*Dubai: Frequency increase expected, but no time frame have been set
Ho Chi Minh City / Saigon: Frequency will be increased from 7 weekly to 10 weekly flights in July.
Hyderabad: 2nd and 3rd frequency to be introduced in July.
Jogjakarta: New destinations for MAS to be inaugurated in October, served from either Kuching or Kota Kinabalu.
Manado: New destinations for MAS to be inaugurated in August, served from either Kuching or Kota Kinabalu.
Mumbai: 5th and 6th frequency to be introduced in October.
Padang: New destinations for MAS to be inaugurated in September, served from either Kuching or Kota Kinabalu.

Frankfurt, Rome & Vienna: This seems to be a bit sketchy at the moment, but I think they are going to have KUL-FRA-FCO 4 times weekly and KUL-FRA-VIE 3 times weekly.
London: 2 new weekly flights from Langkawi and Penang each from October. (God what are they thinking? Thought the more popular flights from Kuala Lumpur to London is MH 8, that departs at 9 in the morning. I hope they are planning on LGK/PEN-KUL-LHR instead of KUL-LGK/PEN-LHR flights, and MH said this will make their European flights more "exciting"  Yeah sure)
Manchester: 4th frequency to be introduced in July.

In addition to that, MAS have grounded one B772, three B734s and two A330s during the SARS outbreak.

This is definitely a welcoming news for both Manchester and Adelaide, but having their London flights routed via Penang and Langkawi is absurd. Just one or two years ago, they announced that they would want to concentrate on its KUL hub and now they are reopening international routes from Penang, Langkawi, Kuching and Kota Kinabalu, which practically contradicts what they had announced earlier.

Looks like their Amsterdam aircraft upgrade was justified after all. Don't think Frankfurt have been doing too well for MH. Still no news about MH going daily into Paris?

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[Edited 2003-05-21 04:05:40]

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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5549 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12441 times:

I also heard that they are changing the KUL-BNE-AKL route. This will be reduced from 5 to 3 weekly I heard. KUL-BNE will then get 3 new A330-200 flights. Not sure what will happen to AKL though because the flights being dropped are the weekend flights out of AKL, so I am sort of guessing that they will change these flights to non-stop AKL-KUL.

This is surposed to take affect from July 1.

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7810 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12425 times:
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Is the MH increase in frequency to MAN as a result of SQ launching non-stop services or becuase they are profitable?


User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12381 times:

MH's MAN flights go out full most of the time! so I guess it is profitable.

User currently offlineVH-OJO From Slovakia, joined Jan 2000, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12361 times:

Will the equipment be upgraded to 744 on VIE flights if routed via FRA ? It is currently 772 via FCO.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12340 times:

Hmm... I am not too hopeful about the LHR - PEN / LGK flights. Can the runway in LGK even take a 744??

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User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12346 times:

Odie, how's the loading for Vienna? Currently Lauda also operates that route but I believe quite a proportion of passengers are from the extension Australian flight. SQ couldn't get enough demand on the Vienna route (Though they used B743/744) so where does MH get the loads from?

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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12322 times:

LGK (Langkawi) receives many charter flights from Europe all the time!

The runway is 13,000 foot long I believe, slightly longer than that of PEN's.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12315 times:

I should think that the London flights would continue to operate via KUL. London is MAS' most important long-haul destination and with a monopoly on the route - MAS perhaps is trying to expose (under the vices of the Malaysian govt and Tourism Malaysia) the other smaller International ports in Malaysia to the Western world.

Many passengers on the flights I have been on to KUL stay in KUL if travelling on business (or are from KL) or wait in transit for Langkawi or Penang if they are on holiday (or are from Penang). So let's say MH7 operated LHR-KUL-PEN/LGK, passengers would simply stay on the same aircraft for the transfer. The flight would simply return as MH2 that same evening to KUL and continue on to London. This would also expose Langkawi and Penang to Heathrow users (since it would appear on monitor screens at Terminal 3 and Ceefax) and MAS would also be able to advertise direct flights to these islands.

Another recent posting stated that Kuching was also to be on that list - although I think an LHR-KUL-KCH routing would be far more difficult to roster in terms of aircraft usage.

However, if they have gone completely bonkers (note unreasonable in todays world), the UK CAA may have approved a new KUL-PEN-LHR and KUL-LGK-LHR service, which could be in addition to the MH7/MH8 which currently only flies 4 times a week.

On another note - I don't think Padang will be routed via Borneo since it is West of KL. Another posting stated that the other Indonesian start-ups were to be hubbed at BKI as part of the SAEAGA cooperative.

I think the VIE route is not doing too badly. MAS did withdraw from VIE but reinstated its own service. Like most European traffic ex KUL and SIN - most of it is in transit to other parts of Asia and Australia/NZ.

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User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12307 times:

According to the Star newspaper - 'some of MAS' services to London are being rerouted VIA Penang and Langkawi.' By this - I take it I am wrong and they flights will operate KUL-PEN/LGK-LHR.

Let's hope its MH4 and MH7 - since they have the oddest timings.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12306 times:

Oh dear - checked New Straits Times, its KUL-PEN-LHR and KUL-LGK-LHR both routes will operate twice weekly... looks likely to be MH8 and MH7 - the flights I always travel on...

..oh well - guess at least I'll get to see these airports again each time!

User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12281 times:

SGN -- It is great to see that they are finally allowed to increase frequency into Ho Chi Minh City which is long hoped for.

Jogjakarta, Manando and Padang -- Like OdiE said, it contradicts their plan at first to focus at KUL as a hub and now they are starting flights to these destinations from Borneo when there isn't even a flight from KUL yet. If they have flights to these places from KUL and proves to be successful then they might have better reasons to try to bring it to KCH or BKI.

Europe -- Heard they are doing fairly well in Europe and hopefully this trend continues and they can add more destinations in Europe.

Paris -- what happened to their application for daily flights into CDG?

London -- Again I think the government is behind this. I dont think neither PEN or LGK could support non-stop flights to LHR even though flight begins at KUL. Nonetheless, I hope it is successful as so the flight PEN-LHR will depart in the morning (good for taking pics  Big grin) then we will see B744s of MH in PEN again  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineMas a330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12280 times:

I don't think its a good idea to operate KUL-PEN-LHR or KUL-LGK-LHR.

They would be better off PEN/LGK-KUL-LHR, IMHO.

User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12232 times:

I doubt they will re-route MH 1/2/3/4 via LGK or PEN since Virgin code-shares with MH on these flights. MH 7/8 seems to be a more likely candidate. But then again, MH 8 carries a lot of transfer traffic originating from Australia. MH 4 would probably carry more O&D traffic or traffic from Singapore/Malaysia. Let' not even go to MH 2, that's like their premium flight. Passengers need to pay more to fly on that flight.

How much traffic can they generate between London and Langkawi/Penang that warrants 2 B744 flights a week? Although there are a lot of O&D traffic between Malaysia and UK, but I still doubt their move to re-route their KUL-LHR flights via LGK and PEN. Plus, MH relies on transfer traffic too and I guess passengers wouldn't be too happy flying between UK and Australia with 2 intermediate stops. All I can say is some state tourism minister just want to get their states more exposed to the world and making these irrational flight plans. (e.g. the latest one being the Sarawak tourism minister who wanted MAS to fly from Kuching to London, New Zealand and Australia and they don't realize that there aren't any premium traffic to justify these flights)

The media could be wrong, but I believe that Jogjakarta and Padang would probably be served from KUL instead of Borneo. Jogjakarta is in Java and Padang is in Sumatra and I would say flying from KUL would probably generate more traffic rather than from Borneo. Balikpapan and Manado will be served from BKI/KCH just coz there are more traffic between these cities compared to KUL.

ZK-NBT: This means KUL-AKL will be served 4 times weekly and KUL-BNE-AKL will be served 3 times weekly? And KUL-BNE 6 times weekly (3 continuing to AKL and 3 turn around services)? Yeah, they should fly their A332 somewhere else beside Kuching, Kota Kinabalu and Singapore.

David_itl: MH have been doing pretty well in the back of the aircraft. There are virtually no First Class passnegers, but there are some Business Class passengers though. It will be great if MH can operate 5-6 times weekly using B772 in a two-class configuration (they are planning to introduce 2-class configuration in the next year or two).

VH-OJO: All flights to FRA are operated by B772. They had changed their aircraft 1 or 2 years back from operating 5 weekly B744 flights to daily B772 flights.

9V-SPK: I seriously don't know, but maybe there are some Eastern European traffic? But, they could easily make use of OS' flight to Australia and Asia? Plus, passengers from other cities beside Vienna would need 3 stops instead of 2 to Australia.

Airbus Lover: I think they already have rights for 6 weekly flights and they are planning to fly 6 times a week into Paris before the SARS hit. Guess it's down to 5 weekly now. They will probably wait and see if they can generate more traffic from Paris now. Dublin, Madrid, Copenhagen or Stockholm seems to be some of the ideal destinations. There are a lot of tourist from these countries. I am really surprised that MH do not fly into Stockholm. Malaysia receive a lot of Swedish tourist and there's a lot of trade between Malaysia and Sweden. The number of Spanish tourist outnumbers tourist from Austria, France, Holland, Italy and Switzerland, but yet MH have flights to these countries but not Spain. Perhaps something to do with economic trade between these two countries? There are a lot of Spanish tourist in Malaysia, but I have yet to spot one though!


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12203 times:

SQ couldn't get enough demand on the Vienna route (Though they used B743/744)
SQ once operated 343s nonstop too. VIE yields were terrible!

Odie: Yogya or Solo? I think Solo has a much better equipped airport. I also think that Balikpapancan be better served from KUL for connecting traffic - there is a fair amount of oil traffic from the US and Europe to BPN.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12169 times:

Balikpapan to Kota Kinabalu would also cater to premium petroleum workers since they would be able to connect to the gas/oil fields near Sabah, Brunei and Miri. Petroleum employees also get to connect with Hong Kong, Korea and Japan via BKI.

I agree with OdiE - Yogyakarta and Padang will be ex-KUL.

Guess LHR-KUL with a stop in Langkawi and Penang would be interesting but since I only travel mainly to KUL and rarely to Sydney/Melbourne - I wouldn't mind the stop. Should I be travelling to Oz - I would then choose to travel on MH1/2/3/4 since MH7 only leaves an hour or so before MH2. Coming back however, MH8 is the main connecting flight from Oz.

On another note, I think the code-share with Virgin expires in 2005? Perhaps starting a second and third port between the UK and Malaysia may be advantages to the next round of ASA talks between the two countries, if MAS gets bums on seats between the islands and LHR - perhaps they could justify extra flights..dunno...

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5549 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12101 times:

Nothing in the MAS schedules yet for any of the mentioned.

Did I get it right that they have gotten new rights to fly from other Australian cities to AKL? I also heard that Christchurch was a possiblity for MAS, that was a while ago, like last year. Someone said that they could possibly operate the EZE service via AKL instead of JNB/CPT, I think that could work, if they can gets feeder traffic from Australia, not sure how but it's possible.

User currently offlineRupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12090 times:

Qantas used to fly the SYD-EZE route, I think. Not too sure if they do now. So if MAS do ply that route, they might be competing with QF.

I'm just wondering, does MAS have daily morning flights to LHR now? Or are they suspended for a while due to the SARS scare? My sister is flying MAS to LHR on the night flight, and when I asked her why she does not take the cheaper morning flight, she insisted that MAS does not fly any morning flights to LHR now.

It also seems that MAS is starting destinations that are covered by Silkair...

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5549 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12060 times:

QF quit EZE about a year ago now June 2002! The flight operated via AKL!

I'm sure it would make more sence for MAS to operate from KUL/LHR rather than any of the smaller cities in Malaysia.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12033 times:

MAS has three flights a day to LHR from KUL on most days.

MH8 leaves in the morning on 2,3,6,7.
MH4 has since been puched back to leave towards lunchtime daily (but used to leave 1/5 hours after MH8
MH2 is their premium sleeper to LHR leaving every night just before midnight.

From LHR,

MH1 is their premium overnight sleeper again leaving at 2200 daily
MH7 leaves half and hour earlier to MH1 on 2,3,6,7.
MH3 is their lunchtime departure from LHR arriving KUL early each morning at 0720hrs.

User currently offlineMas a330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12023 times:

When does the KUL-LGK/PEN-LHR start?

My sister is booked on MH7/8 and i wonder if her flight will be affected

User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11996 times:

MH have updated some of their schedules on their website. I am in a hurry now and can't explian much. Manchester will get a new flight on Thursdays. 3 new A332 services to Brisbane and services to AKL now goes 4 times weekly nonstop. For more information:


User currently offlineRupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11991 times:

MAS has almost 3 daily flights.... is there a reason why LHR allows MAS to have so many flights into its airport, when BA does not operate into KUL? I mean... QF and BA, sometimes Brunei Airways ply the route SIN-LHR so many times a day... and SQ only has 3 daily slots?

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7810 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11959 times:
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BA did operate into KUL but it wasn't profitable for them; BA (or rather Britain) have got 5th freedom rights out of SIN due political considerations (which may or may not have included letting SQ operate into MAN).


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11959 times:

In fact, MAS was allowed to increase its frequency from 14 weekly to 18 weekly when British Air pulled out from KUL 2 years ago. Why? Because there's heavy demand between for air traffic between Malaysia and UK! Don't forget that Virgin code-shares with MH too on the LHR-KUL route. This is nothing new. MH have 6 weekly slots into Paris yet Air France doesn't flies into Malaysia. MH have dozen of flights into Australia (I think it's the largest international carrier into Australia after SQ and NZ) yet Australian Airlines have only one weekly service into Kota Kinabalu (soon to be).

By the way, I think SQ is happy with its 3 daily flights into London. The flight that departs mid-day is the less popular among the 3. MH want to increase its frequency to 3 daily if that's possible. How about SQ's flight to South Africa? It just works on the same concept here.

Anyway, rupertvander, you sure have a big thing against Malaysia/MH in general eh?

25 OdiE : Adelaide - 4th frequency departs from KUL every Friday. Auckland - nonstop B744 daily except Mondays, Wednesdays and Sundays from KUL. Mondays, Wednes
26 OdiE : Looks like Osaka and Seoul will be receiving those new A332 too.
27 Post contains images Ex_SQer : Rupervander: Landing rights are determined when countries negotiate their bilateral air services agreements. Whether or not an airline chooses to exer
28 Mas777 : British Airways still has fifth-freedom rights out of both KUL and SIN. BA operated LHR-KUL-Australia for 50 years give or take the few when it operat
29 Airbus Lover : I thought they are doing good on the CDG flights, why reduce frequency? Bcoz of SARS?
30 Rupertvander82 : Ah!!!! I'm not obessed with SQ, neither am I anti MH. I flew MH several times in fact, and I find them to be a fine fine airline. No hard feelings....
31 Nickofatlanta : Anymore thoughts on the feasability of MH routing their EZE flight via SYD/AKL? Is this anything more than a rumour?
32 OdiE : By the way, MH is going to reduce its frequency into Singapore from 7 daily flights to 5 weekly flights. All will be operated by A333 except MH 603/60
33 Rupertvander82 : I thought the SIN-KUL route is a high in yields and extremely profitable? Wouldn't it make sense for foreign airlines to ply that route? Odie: No offe
34 Mas a330 : 7 daily - 5 weekly? wow! big drop!
35 OdiE : Sorry my bad. 7 daily to 5 daily. I don't know, but previously, SIN was one of MH's most profitable routes, but I am just guessing that there's a lot
36 Post contains images Mas777 : Lets just hope things get better for good ol'KUL... With KLM and Air France in talks, Delta code-sharing with Korean into KUL and Alitalia considering
37 Post contains images Ex_SQer : Rupertvander: I didn't mean to say that you are S_Air, just that you seem almost as obsessed as he is about SQ (and yes I also recognise that nobody e
38 Airbus Lover : It would be great to see MH in Skyteam along with NW/KL and Skyteam gets as "integrated" as NW/KL or Star. I do agree that they could just fly the shu
39 ZK-NBT : KUL-AKL will become 4x weekly non-stop! Departing AKL on Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
40 Triple Seven : Ex_SQer, How did SQ performed in the past with the 757 in the SIN-KUL run???
41 Post contains images Mas777 : The 757 should have been worn by Malaysia Airlines colours - I never quite understood why there was such a wide gap between their 737 and A330 capacit
42 Post contains images Ex_SQer : Triple_Seven: I don't know - that was a little before my time I have been told that the 757s had slightly better operating economics than the 310s, th
43 Ryanair!!! : Ya... at the end of the day, it was image that won the battle over the economics of operating a narrow body. SIA got rid of the 757 because the they t
44 Triple Seven : I was surprised at the rate that SQ got rid of the 757s. Bought them in 1984 and sold them to Delta in 1988(?) With the retirement of the A310s set fo
45 OdiE : There are unconfirmed reports that MH is going to decrease it's frequency into Seoul from 7 weekly to 5 weekly and the aircraft is going to be downgra
46 Rupertvander82 : if I remember correctly, the per capita income of Kuala Lumpur residents is higher than that of residents of the city-state Singapore Is this some kin
47 OdiE : Rupertvander82: According to Asiaweek's Asia Best Cities 2000 (I know is rather outdated) but, here's the average income for residents of both Kuala L
48 Businessflyer : OdiE... That is true, but there was a lot of uncertainty as to how Asiaweek had got to these figures and other people were not able to replicate it. I
49 Post contains images Ryanair!!! : Of course! I am one of the die hard ardent supporters of Penerbangan Malaysia! Come to think of it, whenever I am checking in, I have a habit of eaves
50 ZK-NBT : I forgot to ask before sorry. Is AKL really doing that well? Anyone got the load factors of late? I thought it had improved since they started doing B
51 Triple Seven : OdiE, "I seriously wonder what will SE-Asian think when they fly in America/Europe where they can be stuck in a B737/A320s for a flight that's 4-6 hou
52 Rupertvander82 : Odie: Yes, I trust you, but I mean, the data is rather strange. Okay, I'm not talking with reference to Singapore, but even when compared to Tokyo, wh
53 Triple Seven : Rupertvander82, There is a chance what Asiaweek's calculation were based on Purchasing Power Parity, as for KL there would be an upward shift in the c
54 Mas777 : I agree with the above... ..Kuala Lumpur is probably one of the most understated cities in the world. Each time I fly in, I am always impressed by the
55 Rupertvander82 : Anyway I once found a site in the web to calculate living cost. KL's living cost is only slightly behind that of NYC. As for the fact that no KL peopl
56 Post contains images OdiE : ZK-NBT: I don't know how the loads to AKL is doing, but if they are increasing its capacity into AKL, I would say maybe they are doing well. Do you kn
57 Businessflyer : Rupert... With respect to the LRT, the tracks that run through the centre of KL along Jalan Ismail are now working (they opened before March/April 200
58 Rupertvander82 : Odie: I took a long long walking tour in KL, with a Russian friend of mine. There were more than one street that had a problem of poor pedestrian side
59 ZK-NBT : Don't no Odie, I heard that MAS are planning KUL-AKL-KUL daily non-stop though, the way I heard it they were going to keep the BNE-AKL service aswell.
60 OdiE : Rupert: I wouldn't rely heavily on Lonely Planet's guide on that phrase. They used that phrase quite a long time ago when KL is in the midst of transf
61 OdiE : ZK-NBT: Guess the Auckland route have been a roller coaster for MAS. Don't know how they are going to operate KUL-AKL daily nonstop with KUL-BNE-AKL a
62 Triple Seven : Rupert, I've never been to NYC, so I cannot do the judgement. But what does the cost of living in KL got to do with the average income? In my previous
63 Post contains images OdiE : Dude I went back to Malaysia on many occasion and even sat on the PUTRA and STAR system LRT. Unless of course either one of us was smoking some bad st
64 Post contains images Triple Seven : Holland Hoops and White Widow might make you go
65 Rupertvander82 : Never said that Putra and Star's not running. I'm talking about the other LRT system, that has it's tracks laid out but no services since 1997. Malays
66 Post contains images Airbus Lover : No. Nothing against Malaysia. It is when Malaysians start baseless accusations and silly little childish finger pointing antics (the latest 'oh we are
67 Rupertvander82 : Wow... It is obvious that you are against Malaysian and you are obviously the one accusing this and that on the side of Singapore. Speak about yoursel
68 Mas a330 : OK, I come from that area, i'll tell you first hand. The sidewalks are so-so, not to say the best, but they are acceptable. Don't see what this has to
69 Post contains images Airbus Lover : Well almost every MH post turns into MY vs SG posts so I think we should get used to it Mas a330!! Rupert, well at least I don't go around bashing Sin
70 Triple Seven : Again, where did you get the info from? From the Malaysian press, I presume? -Its bee a while back since I read that article but it came right off fro
71 MASkargo : Guys...obviously our friend rupert is still 'wet behind his ears' - before he decides to take us on, may I kindly suggest to him that he finishes his
72 Post contains images Mas777 : Rupertvander82 - perhaps you ought to think more carefully before submitting into forums... Please forgive the many of us who hadn't realised that you
73 MASkargo : oh man..rupert. I was just reading your comments on the roads outside Kuala Lumpur... which ones do you mean? Its not too difficult rupert.... while S
74 GoldenMAS : hi guys.... Good to be back in this forum after going missing for so long. I was quite surprised to see a simple discussion could turn up into an "arg
75 Businessflyer : To try and get this back on topic... Flew up to KL this morning on SQ. The first flight is at 8.45am which makes life bloody difficult. I also missed
76 Ryanair!!! : Businessflyer, the decision to cut flights, I presume, are based on what the airline think the no of pax would be for that day. It is decided by human
77 Triple Seven : Businessflyer, Probably poor yield and SARS is the reason. I think the number of M'sians and Singaporeans crossing the borders has dropped by some 30%
78 Ex_SQer : Businessflyer: Actually, the shuttle by itself hasn't been profitable for some time for SQ. I suspect the same holds for MH. This was discussed very r
79 Rupertvander82 : Please... no more bickering. Okay. Sorry people, for being a childish in this forum. Businessflyer: Actually, the shuttle by itself hasn't been profit
80 OdiE : Rupert, rupert......... Why do you think MAS changed its mind from operating 10+ B734 flights a day into Singapore to only 5 A330 flights a day? I had
81 Rupertvander82 : So both airlines prefer using widebodies as compared to narrow bodied aircraft, even if they will loose more money on the former? Well, if both airlin
82 OdiE : Seriously, can anybody help Rupert out here?? I am kinda tired writing long replies.
83 Businessflyer : Ex-SQer... Cheers... that would explain their willingness to cut flights despite what looks like strong pax loads. But I never quite understood the sh
84 Ex_SQer : Ok, I'm gonna try to explain this to Rupert.... Well, if both airlines come to an agreement to use narrow bodied aircraft, wouldn't it be better? The
85 Rupertvander82 : Thanks Ex SQer for the explanation... Economic terms... I'll understand. That's what I'm going to major in later anyway! Hmmm... you mean the livejour
86 Ryanair!!! : Actually, the best bet now is for SQ to leave the shuttles to Silkair to manage (as I see some of you beginning to speculate...). That would probably
87 MASkargo : its okay rupert ... I apologise too for anything bad i said about you. Anyways...I miss the old days when you get 22 flights between KUL-SIN daily! Th
88 Post contains images Rupertvander82 : No hard feelings MASKargo! I doubt if SQ will let MI take over the KUL-SIN rouites, and as Ryanair!!! mentioned, a customer's perception of SQ and MI
89 Post contains images Triple Seven : Rupert, My apologies to you for my participation in the "Jerry Springer Slug Fest" (like what Ryanair said). - Triple Seven
90 Post contains images Rupertvander82 : No, no, don't apologise. I couldn't believe how silly and childish I was until I re-read the entire topic! No hard feelings!
91 Businessflyer : When did SQ operate 727s...?
92 Ex_SQer : When did SQ operate 727s...? It's times like these that I wish I had taken my SIA 50th Anniversary poster from my parents' house. It lists all the pas
93 Rupertvander82 : You mean SQ has 737s in the past?
94 Ex_SQer : Yes. filler filler
95 Post contains images Mas a330 : Aww... lets all kiss and make up Anyway, yes, SQ had 737-100/200s in the past IIRC.
96 9V-SPK : Yeh and SQ also had the B733, only it was operating under Singapore Airlines Cargo.
97 Triple Seven : I think SQ had 5 737-112 (taken over after the MSA split). I also think that a 737-212 Advanced was also built but not taken up and instead went to Ai
98 Post contains images Ex_SQer : If the Singaporeans (or faux-Singaporeans ) on this forum can kiss and make up, then surely our esteemed leaders can do the same....? By the way the 7
99 Post contains links and images Triple Seven : Here you go.... SQ 727-212 Advanced View Large View MediumPhoto © Marcel Walther SQ 737-112 View Large View MediumPhoto © Marcel Walther 737
100 Mas a330 : If the Singaporeans (or faux-Singaporeans ) on this forum can kiss and make up, then surely our esteemed leaders can do the same....? I don't see why
101 Post contains images Businessflyer : I never realised that SQ's fleet historically was so exotic...! Does anybody have a full historic fleet list for the airline? (automatically looking a
102 Post contains images Triple Seven : Mas a330, SQ indeed had a fleet of DC-10-30s in the late 1970s till the early 1980s. SQ traded in the DC-10s to Boeing as part payment for the 747-312
103 Businessflyer : Triple Seven... Cheers.. Do you know what they used the Fokker F27s for? I assume that the 707s were used on the London routes, amongst others... but
104 Post contains images Mas777 : I thought all the F27s went to MAS when MSA split. SQ got the jets and MH got the props (except for the odd 737 which were delivered to MAS as 737-2H6
105 Dynkrisolo : Triple Seven: SQ didn't lease the DC-10s from MH. They leased two from Martinair. They ordered 7 but only took 5. Some went to Biman, some went to Var
106 Triple Seven : Businessflyer & Mas777, If I am not mistaken when MSA split MAS took the new (then only months old) F.27-500s while SQ retained the older (early 60s m
107 Ryanair!!! : MAS' (or was it SQ's?) DC10s were leased initially from Air New Zealand to increase their operational experience before their own came along.
108 Triple Seven : Ryanair!!!, I don't think MH ever leased any DC-10s before receiving theirs. MHs DC-10 arrived around 1976 while SQs came around 1978
109 Post contains images Ex_SQer : Businessflyer: You are welcome to go to my parents' house off Sixth Ave to get the poster, but it'll be wasted on you anyway because you'll just mista
110 Post contains images Businessflyer : Ex-SQer.... Am I ever going to live that down?! Well... they look the same on the inside late on a Friday night! But I don't suppose you know if there
111 Carmy : Well there actually is a pretty good book on SQ and its history that was given out to its staff during the airline's Golden Jubilee or was it the 40th
112 Post contains images SQ772 : Are you refering to the book that has the batik motif on it's cover? IIRC, the book was distributed in the late 80s, so it was probably for the 40th a
113 9V-SPK : Hmm....I'm not sure if I have that book not, I remember it talked a lot about the olden days and there was a page that showed different souvenirs to p
114 Carmy : Yah yah that's the one!! With a SQ FSS batik motif on the cover! Really can't remember anything I read in the book, really, but haha just remember it
115 Post contains images Businessflyer : Carmy et al... Cheers... I will try to find a copy of that book... but I was looking for a more detailed analysis of SQ and its development... guess t
116 Ex_SQer : BusinessFlyer: This is a Stanford GSB case study written in 1988. It's meant for MBA students to discuss what they would do if they were the CEO of SI
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