OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11687 times:
After announcing it's first profit in 5 years, Malaysia Air (MH) have also announced the following changes to its schedule:
Australia: Adelaide: 4th frequency to be introduced in July. Sydney, Melbourne, Perth: Expected to increase frequencies to these cities when the northern winter 2003 schedules begin.
Asia: Bangalore: 3rd frequency to be introduced in October. Balikpapan: New destinations for MAS to be inaugurated in July, served from either Kuching or Kota Kinabalu. Colombo: 3rd frequency to be introduced in July. *Dubai: Frequency increase expected, but no time frame have been set Ho Chi Minh City / Saigon: Frequency will be increased from 7 weekly to 10 weekly flights in July. Hyderabad: 2nd and 3rd frequency to be introduced in July. Jogjakarta: New destinations for MAS to be inaugurated in October, served from either Kuching or Kota Kinabalu. Manado: New destinations for MAS to be inaugurated in August, served from either Kuching or Kota Kinabalu. Mumbai: 5th and 6th frequency to be introduced in October. Padang: New destinations for MAS to be inaugurated in September, served from either Kuching or Kota Kinabalu.
Europe: Frankfurt, Rome & Vienna: This seems to be a bit sketchy at the moment, but I think they are going to have KUL-FRA-FCO 4 times weekly and KUL-FRA-VIE 3 times weekly. London: 2 new weekly flights from Langkawi and Penang each from October. (God what are they thinking? Thought the more popular flights from Kuala Lumpur to London is MH 8, that departs at 9 in the morning. I hope they are planning on LGK/PEN-KUL-LHR instead of KUL-LGK/PEN-LHR flights, and MH said this will make their European flights more "exciting" ) Manchester: 4th frequency to be introduced in July.
In addition to that, MAS have grounded one B772, three B734s and two A330s during the SARS outbreak.
This is definitely a welcoming news for both Manchester and Adelaide, but having their London flights routed via Penang and Langkawi is absurd. Just one or two years ago, they announced that they would want to concentrate on its KUL hub and now they are reopening international routes from Penang, Langkawi, Kuching and Kota Kinabalu, which practically contradicts what they had announced earlier.
Looks like their Amsterdam aircraft upgrade was justified after all. Don't think Frankfurt have been doing too well for MH. Still no news about MH going daily into Paris?
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5133 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11531 times:
I also heard that they are changing the KUL-BNE-AKL route. This will be reduced from 5 to 3 weekly I heard. KUL-BNE will then get 3 new A330-200 flights. Not sure what will happen to AKL though because the flights being dropped are the weekend flights out of AKL, so I am sort of guessing that they will change these flights to non-stop AKL-KUL.
9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11436 times:
Odie, how's the loading for Vienna? Currently Lauda also operates that route but I believe quite a proportion of passengers are from the extension Australian flight. SQ couldn't get enough demand on the Vienna route (Though they used B743/744) so where does MH get the loads from?
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2926 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11405 times:
I should think that the London flights would continue to operate via KUL. London is MAS' most important long-haul destination and with a monopoly on the route - MAS perhaps is trying to expose (under the vices of the Malaysian govt and Tourism Malaysia) the other smaller International ports in Malaysia to the Western world.
Many passengers on the flights I have been on to KUL stay in KUL if travelling on business (or are from KL) or wait in transit for Langkawi or Penang if they are on holiday (or are from Penang). So let's say MH7 operated LHR-KUL-PEN/LGK, passengers would simply stay on the same aircraft for the transfer. The flight would simply return as MH2 that same evening to KUL and continue on to London. This would also expose Langkawi and Penang to Heathrow users (since it would appear on monitor screens at Terminal 3 and Ceefax) and MAS would also be able to advertise direct flights to these islands.
Another recent posting stated that Kuching was also to be on that list - although I think an LHR-KUL-KCH routing would be far more difficult to roster in terms of aircraft usage.
However, if they have gone completely bonkers (note unreasonable in todays world), the UK CAA may have approved a new KUL-PEN-LHR and KUL-LGK-LHR service, which could be in addition to the MH7/MH8 which currently only flies 4 times a week.
On another note - I don't think Padang will be routed via Borneo since it is West of KL. Another posting stated that the other Indonesian start-ups were to be hubbed at BKI as part of the SAEAGA cooperative.
I think the VIE route is not doing too badly. MAS did withdraw from VIE but reinstated its own service. Like most European traffic ex KUL and SIN - most of it is in transit to other parts of Asia and Australia/NZ.
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11371 times:
SGN -- It is great to see that they are finally allowed to increase frequency into Ho Chi Minh City which is long hoped for.
Jogjakarta, Manando and Padang -- Like OdiE said, it contradicts their plan at first to focus at KUL as a hub and now they are starting flights to these destinations from Borneo when there isn't even a flight from KUL yet. If they have flights to these places from KUL and proves to be successful then they might have better reasons to try to bring it to KCH or BKI.
Europe -- Heard they are doing fairly well in Europe and hopefully this trend continues and they can add more destinations in Europe.
Paris -- what happened to their application for daily flights into CDG?
London -- Again I think the government is behind this. I dont think neither PEN or LGK could support non-stop flights to LHR even though flight begins at KUL. Nonetheless, I hope it is successful as so the flight PEN-LHR will depart in the morning (good for taking pics ) then we will see B744s of MH in PEN again
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11322 times:
I doubt they will re-route MH 1/2/3/4 via LGK or PEN since Virgin code-shares with MH on these flights. MH 7/8 seems to be a more likely candidate. But then again, MH 8 carries a lot of transfer traffic originating from Australia. MH 4 would probably carry more O&D traffic or traffic from Singapore/Malaysia. Let' not even go to MH 2, that's like their premium flight. Passengers need to pay more to fly on that flight.
How much traffic can they generate between London and Langkawi/Penang that warrants 2 B744 flights a week? Although there are a lot of O&D traffic between Malaysia and UK, but I still doubt their move to re-route their KUL-LHR flights via LGK and PEN. Plus, MH relies on transfer traffic too and I guess passengers wouldn't be too happy flying between UK and Australia with 2 intermediate stops. All I can say is some state tourism minister just want to get their states more exposed to the world and making these irrational flight plans. (e.g. the latest one being the Sarawak tourism minister who wanted MAS to fly from Kuching to London, New Zealand and Australia and they don't realize that there aren't any premium traffic to justify these flights)
The media could be wrong, but I believe that Jogjakarta and Padang would probably be served from KUL instead of Borneo. Jogjakarta is in Java and Padang is in Sumatra and I would say flying from KUL would probably generate more traffic rather than from Borneo. Balikpapan and Manado will be served from BKI/KCH just coz there are more traffic between these cities compared to KUL.
ZK-NBT: This means KUL-AKL will be served 4 times weekly and KUL-BNE-AKL will be served 3 times weekly? And KUL-BNE 6 times weekly (3 continuing to AKL and 3 turn around services)? Yeah, they should fly their A332 somewhere else beside Kuching, Kota Kinabalu and Singapore.
David_itl: MH have been doing pretty well in the back of the aircraft. There are virtually no First Class passnegers, but there are some Business Class passengers though. It will be great if MH can operate 5-6 times weekly using B772 in a two-class configuration (they are planning to introduce 2-class configuration in the next year or two).
VH-OJO: All flights to FRA are operated by B772. They had changed their aircraft 1 or 2 years back from operating 5 weekly B744 flights to daily B772 flights.
9V-SPK: I seriously don't know, but maybe there are some Eastern European traffic? But, they could easily make use of OS' flight to Australia and Asia? Plus, passengers from other cities beside Vienna would need 3 stops instead of 2 to Australia.
Airbus Lover: I think they already have rights for 6 weekly flights and they are planning to fly 6 times a week into Paris before the SARS hit. Guess it's down to 5 weekly now. They will probably wait and see if they can generate more traffic from Paris now. Dublin, Madrid, Copenhagen or Stockholm seems to be some of the ideal destinations. There are a lot of tourist from these countries. I am really surprised that MH do not fly into Stockholm. Malaysia receive a lot of Swedish tourist and there's a lot of trade between Malaysia and Sweden. The number of Spanish tourist outnumbers tourist from Austria, France, Holland, Italy and Switzerland, but yet MH have flights to these countries but not Spain. Perhaps something to do with economic trade between these two countries? There are a lot of Spanish tourist in Malaysia, but I have yet to spot one though!
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11293 times:
SQ couldn't get enough demand on the Vienna route (Though they used B743/744)
SQ once operated 343s nonstop too. VIE yields were terrible!
Odie: Yogya or Solo? I think Solo has a much better equipped airport. I also think that Balikpapancan be better served from KUL for connecting traffic - there is a fair amount of oil traffic from the US and Europe to BPN.
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2926 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11259 times:
Balikpapan to Kota Kinabalu would also cater to premium petroleum workers since they would be able to connect to the gas/oil fields near Sabah, Brunei and Miri. Petroleum employees also get to connect with Hong Kong, Korea and Japan via BKI.
I agree with OdiE - Yogyakarta and Padang will be ex-KUL.
Guess LHR-KUL with a stop in Langkawi and Penang would be interesting but since I only travel mainly to KUL and rarely to Sydney/Melbourne - I wouldn't mind the stop. Should I be travelling to Oz - I would then choose to travel on MH1/2/3/4 since MH7 only leaves an hour or so before MH2. Coming back however, MH8 is the main connecting flight from Oz.
On another note, I think the code-share with Virgin expires in 2005? Perhaps starting a second and third port between the UK and Malaysia may be advantages to the next round of ASA talks between the two countries, if MAS gets bums on seats between the islands and LHR - perhaps they could justify extra flights..dunno...
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5133 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11191 times:
Nothing in the MAS schedules yet for any of the mentioned.
Did I get it right that they have gotten new rights to fly from other Australian cities to AKL? I also heard that Christchurch was a possiblity for MAS, that was a while ago, like last year. Someone said that they could possibly operate the EZE service via AKL instead of JNB/CPT, I think that could work, if they can gets feeder traffic from Australia, not sure how but it's possible.
Rupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11180 times:
Qantas used to fly the SYD-EZE route, I think. Not too sure if they do now. So if MAS do ply that route, they might be competing with QF.
I'm just wondering, does MAS have daily morning flights to LHR now? Or are they suspended for a while due to the SARS scare? My sister is flying MAS to LHR on the night flight, and when I asked her why she does not take the cheaper morning flight, she insisted that MAS does not fly any morning flights to LHR now.
It also seems that MAS is starting destinations that are covered by Silkair...
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2926 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11123 times:
MAS has three flights a day to LHR from KUL on most days.
MH8 leaves in the morning on 2,3,6,7.
MH4 has since been puched back to leave towards lunchtime daily (but used to leave 1/5 hours after MH8
MH2 is their premium sleeper to LHR leaving every night just before midnight.
MH1 is their premium overnight sleeper again leaving at 2200 daily
MH7 leaves half and hour earlier to MH1 on 2,3,6,7.
MH3 is their lunchtime departure from LHR arriving KUL early each morning at 0720hrs.
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11086 times:
MH have updated some of their schedules on their website. I am in a hurry now and can't explian much. Manchester will get a new flight on Thursdays. 3 new A332 services to Brisbane and services to AKL now goes 4 times weekly nonstop. For more information:
Rupertvander82 From France, joined Dec 2002, 411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11081 times:
MAS has almost 3 daily flights.... is there a reason why LHR allows MAS to have so many flights into its airport, when BA does not operate into KUL? I mean... QF and BA, sometimes Brunei Airways ply the route SIN-LHR so many times a day... and SQ only has 3 daily slots?
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7266 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11049 times:
BA did operate into KUL but it wasn't profitable for them; BA (or rather Britain) have got 5th freedom rights out of SIN due political considerations (which may or may not have included letting SQ operate into MAN).
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11049 times:
In fact, MAS was allowed to increase its frequency from 14 weekly to 18 weekly when British Air pulled out from KUL 2 years ago. Why? Because there's heavy demand between for air traffic between Malaysia and UK! Don't forget that Virgin code-shares with MH too on the LHR-KUL route. This is nothing new. MH have 6 weekly slots into Paris yet Air France doesn't flies into Malaysia. MH have dozen of flights into Australia (I think it's the largest international carrier into Australia after SQ and NZ) yet Australian Airlines have only one weekly service into Kota Kinabalu (soon to be).
By the way, I think SQ is happy with its 3 daily flights into London. The flight that departs mid-day is the less popular among the 3. MH want to increase its frequency to 3 daily if that's possible. How about SQ's flight to South Africa? It just works on the same concept here.
Anyway, rupertvander, you sure have a big thing against Malaysia/MH in general eh?
25 OdiE: Adelaide - 4th frequency departs from KUL every Friday. Auckland - nonstop B744 daily except Mondays, Wednesdays and Sundays from KUL. Mondays, Wednes
26 OdiE: Looks like Osaka and Seoul will be receiving those new A332 too.
27 Ex_SQer: Rupervander: Landing rights are determined when countries negotiate their bilateral air services agreements. Whether or not an airline chooses to exer
28 Mas777: British Airways still has fifth-freedom rights out of both KUL and SIN. BA operated LHR-KUL-Australia for 50 years give or take the few when it operat
29 Airbus Lover: I thought they are doing good on the CDG flights, why reduce frequency? Bcoz of SARS?
30 Rupertvander82: Ah!!!! I'm not obessed with SQ, neither am I anti MH. I flew MH several times in fact, and I find them to be a fine fine airline. No hard feelings....
31 Nickofatlanta: Anymore thoughts on the feasability of MH routing their EZE flight via SYD/AKL? Is this anything more than a rumour?
32 OdiE: By the way, MH is going to reduce its frequency into Singapore from 7 daily flights to 5 weekly flights. All will be operated by A333 except MH 603/60
33 Rupertvander82: I thought the SIN-KUL route is a high in yields and extremely profitable? Wouldn't it make sense for foreign airlines to ply that route? Odie: No offe