Aa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
I was passing through airport ops this week and a SJC airport told me Jet Blue will start SJC service this fall. They plan to operate around 16 flights a day to JFK/IAD/FLL/LGB. Has any one else heard of this?
Sllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1975 times:
Well, JFK makes sense, as AA has pulled much of its service. LGB, sure, there's a market there, as there probably is to IAD. But FLL seems like an odd choice -- I'd think they would start FLL service from OAK, where they've been for a couple of years and have greater presence.
Right now the Bay Area only has one nonstop to South Florida, an SFO-MIA flight by AA. So it's not clear the demand is there.
United777 From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 1648 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1967 times:
Didnt they want to start a hub out of Oakland.
Damm it I wish B6 started flights from OAK and SJC to SEA.
Sjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1929 times:
Wow... more head-to-head with SW...
The SJC service is a GODSEND!!! This rules... it's too bad I'm leaving for Virginia next year, but I now I'll still be able to fly out of Dulles back to SJC for a reasonable fare... YAY...
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 19 hours ago) and read 1843 times:
Guys,
I don't see it with any of these press releases from jetBlue either yet. If I will hear got anything more new nonstop out of SJC near of the future. I don't think jetBlue will flying out of SJC anytime soon. Well, talk ya later!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31111 posts, RR: 74 Reply 6, posted (10 years 19 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
Right now the Bay Area only has one nonstop to South Florida, an SFO-MIA flight by AA. So it's not clear the demand is there.
With San Francisco being one of Miami's 10 biggest domestic, out-of-state, O&D markets, the demand is there. American Airlines runs three daily flights (two 763s, one 752) and UA has one (763).
NonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 14 hours ago) and read 1707 times:
An SJC airport told you? Let's say you mean an SJC airport official. Do you think they would be inclined to just start telling people this? I don't think that's very professional.
Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? Or am I wrong thinking there is no way in hell B6 would make that kind of commitment to an airport they don't even serve yet, and with OAK right there, with competition from WN (who they've been trying to avoid).
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4402 posts, RR: 38 Reply 9, posted (10 years 13 hours ago) and read 1621 times:
Ditto to Brian. An airport official is not a "horse's mouth" source for making claims that an airline plans service to a new market. Until the airline makes an announcement, there shouldn't be thread headlines claiming that the airline is entering a new market.
If you want to share the airport official's comment, post it as a rumor. We discuss rumors here all the time, which is fair enough, but one should not equate them with announcements.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12558 posts, RR: 64 Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
I doubt B6 will be just firing aircraft back and forth the country on just longhaul service forever...and something people are overlooking is the nasty little side effect of shorthaul flying on a company's CASM.
And I agree; quoting an "airport" as a source is no different than saying you believe in Santa or the Tooth Fairy. It's not real until the airline says it from their corporate offices.
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Sllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 hours ago) and read 1526 times:
I agree it's a rumor, but it's reasonably credible, at least on the SJC-JFK run. In fact, with CO having dumped it's evening SJC-EWR run, and NW having dumped any departures to DTW (for tight connections to LGA), for both airlines, the latest departure is like 1:00pm!
There's no doubt in my mnid jetBlue could drop in twice daily service SJC-JFK and do well. I only question the IAD and especially FLL connections. The SFO-MIA service has only limited O&D; the flights represent significant feeds to Latin America (hence the three class operations on some flights). FLL would be strictly an O&D target, and right now there's not a single Bay Area-FLL flight (there's a daily or twice daily LAX-FLL, for example).
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5818 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 hours ago) and read 1521 times:
Lets not bash AA777Flyer to much. The bay area is underserved to Florida! Exact quote from a travel agents Bay area meeting. Seems ATA agreed. SFO-PIE is O/D generally and is doing very well. That is a quote from ATA managment in San Francisco. Cruise season in the Carribean is popular for people from the west coast as well. Thats why Alaska rescheduled SEA-MIA, so feed cruises both directions per season requirments. If LAX can handle FLL 2 time daily, why can't the Bay Area support 1? Now not putting this as rumor. You guys may be right! Lets not shoot the guys, you never know, it could be announced next week. Thats no direct competion with WN. SJC does seem unlikely though. Where do they have gate space? Well that my 2 cents.
ASSFO
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DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4402 posts, RR: 38 Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 hours ago) and read 1399 times:
I doubt B6 will be just firing aircraft back and forth the country on just longhaul service forever...and something people are overlooking is the nasty little side effect of shorthaul flying on a company's CASM.
I agree that JetBlue won't just do transcons. JFK, LGB, and FLL all sit in the middle of huge O & D catchment areas. Increased shorter-haul flights to all three could do well. But it's unlikely that more short-haul flying would hurt B6's CASM much. Southwest's average stage length is well under 1000 miles--I think it's closer to 500--and they keep a 7.5-cent CASM without breaking a sweat. Don't forget that most of B6's stations have five or fewer dailies, so they're running they're amazing 6.3-cent CASM with station productivity lower than WN's too.
If JetBlue is at 6.3 now with mostly transcons and NE-Florida, they could probably add a fair amount of shorter-haul flying without going above 7.5. New York City is a big hole in Southwest's map (ISP doesn't count, too far thru heavy traffic) and it's the country's biggest O & D market.
JetBlue has the opportunity to fill the huge LCC hole left by the demise of mismanaged People Express, which is probably why Uncle Gordon trash-talks them so much. JetBlue is his worst nightmare, brilliantly managed and well-capitalized. It's easy to imagine B6 filling several dailies from JFK to places like CLE, CMH, IND, and MKE, and building up a big JFK-ORD run. Again, this is all my speculation, but the possibility is there.
BTW I wasn't saying that an SJC-JFK rumor can't be credible, just that it is a rumor and should be reported as such. Even with the tech industry in the tank, SJC-JFK could probably run a couple of dailies easily, without effect on OAK.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31111 posts, RR: 74 Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 hours ago) and read 1388 times:
Currently, American Airlines runs two times daily FLL-LAX. The flights are incredibly popular, go out full daily, and a third flight is being added 14 June 2003. Plus there is jetBlue's already popular FLL-LGB daily.
Song is expected to announced LAX service to FLL, MCO, and TPA by the end of the summer (TPA will come on line first if the rumours come true).
Supposedly, late 2003/early 2004 will be all about FLL for jetBlue. FLL-OAK is a logical market for them, I say it will happen by next spring.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1283 times:
Mark,
Where did you hear about Song make announced for nonstop from FLL, MCO & TPA to LAX flight anytime soon for end with summer season? I still think about it of those airlines will began nonstop out of FLL-OAK anytime soon. Is that true about of jetBlue or Song will get expansion to the west coast? Well, talk ya later!
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