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Air Force One...New Plane Ever?  
User currently offlineShamrock1Heavy From Ireland, joined Nov 2002, 250 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

My brother and i were watching "Air Force One" today and he posed a question. The plane is a 747-200 specailly modified of-course, but it is still a 747-200, old, yet classic by todays standards. Will they ever change it? to a 744 or mabye even a 772LR? This made me wonder, so I came here to ask. Comments welcome!

-D


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3601 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3513 times:
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Given the fact that the 2 707's previously used as Air Force One were flying for close to 30 years, it will be awhile before the next Air Force One will be flying. The first of the two current Air Force One's were delivered in 1990, so they are not old. They are also so well taken care of that they always look brand new.

It will also take several years to build the next Air Force One. The 747's were ordered during the Regan Administration and were not delivered until half way into Bush Sr.'s term.


User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Ha763 is correct, the aircraft are very well maintained and secured. Even though they are based on the 747-200 airframe, the aircraft have not logged on as much flying hours as compared to a regular commercial airliner. It is used only for Presidential flying and Air Force One doesn't fly as many daily cycles nor fly everyday as a regular commercial airliner does.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Will they ever change it? to a 744 or mabye even a 772LR?

Oooh, a private 772LR.... nice!

That monster could hit just about anywhere on Earth nonstop from WAS without a need for any sort of refueling. Shweet! Big grin


User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Actually, I think the A380 is best suited for Air Force 1. No joke.

User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2167 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Well, you think with all the AF1's being Boeing planes, they would have to opt for a NG 772 or similar really.

Henry


User currently offlineBoeing767-383 From Denmark, joined Nov 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

i the middle of 2002 and 2 i believe on of the airforce one's had about 6000 hours on it

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

Actually, I think the A380 is best suited for Air Force 1. No joke.

I think president Chirac will happily agree with you...
But the president of the USA shouldn't have to rely on an unreliable sometime ally to provide him with transportation...



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

If I remember it, the VC-25A's are built structurally so they have a lot in common with the 747-400. Besides, the VC-25A has the range to fly from Andrews AFB to Moscow, Russia non-stop easily anyway.

The planes are so meticulously maintained that they're in better condition than most brand-new planes!  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Nice of you to bring politics into this, Jt.  Big grin.

I think if they were going to buy something for long range, The A340-500 is the obvious choice.

Of course if they want to get somewhere quickly, picking up a second hand concorde would be handy. Plus they'd be able to fly it anywhere they wanted supersonic caus its the president of the United States of America, not some crappy British airline!


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

"Well, you think with all the AF1's being Boeing planes, they would have to opt for a NG 772 or similar really."

Not to fuel a 4-engine vs. 2-engine debate, but don't you think the Presidential aircraft will always have 3-4 engines to get around ETOPS issues?


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

VC-25's can be refuled inflight....extreme range is not important.

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

I could see a 777 as the next AF1 with GE most likely as the engine, definatley the LR or IGW. No way it would be an Airbus, come on guys "freedom fries"  Wink/being sarcastic


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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

The president stepping down from a 747 to a 777? Well, I hope the economical situation will never become that bad!

I bet that Boeing will have something more grand on the table when the current AF1s need to be replaced around 2015-2020!


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

When it is time to replace AF1, it'll will be with whatever 4 engined member of the 7E7 family.

User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

If you look closer at AF1's engines they are the same as the current 744, PW4000s.

[Edited 2003-05-21 18:47:40]


The engine is the heart of an airplane, but the pilot is its soul.
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13047 posts, RR: 78
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

I thought that AF1 had GE engines, in any case they are good for another 20 years.

User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

When the AF-1 747-200 was selected, the 747-300 had already been in service a few years (-300 went into service in 1983). However, the 747-300 did not meet some of the requirements in the AF-1 Request for Proposal (RFP). The Air Force had total cumulative fleet hours, engine service, and other requirements that the -300 did not meet. Therefore the -200 was offered.

The reason why AF1 has in-flight refueling is interesting. The competition for the AF-1 contract was between the DC-10 and the 747. The way the RFP was written initially, the DC-10 could not meet the range requirement, but the 747 could. Then the RFP was revised to require in-flight refueling capability. This was done to keep the DC-10 in the competition, even though the 747 could meet the range without the refueling system. After Boeing won the contract they offered to not install the system and refund the savings, but the government said no. There is a book written about this by Chuck Fisher, the Boeing flight test pilot. I can't remember the name.
I don't think they have ever used the in flight refueling system on AF-1, especially with the President on board.

BTW, Boeing bid $250M for the contract for the two AF1 aircraft. $250M was the cost for two regular 747s at the time. They lost about $350M on the total project, but Boeing management did not want the President in a DC-10.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

I believe the engines are GE CF6-80C2B1.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Not to fuel a 4-engine vs. 2-engine debate, but don't you think the Presidential aircraft will always have 3-4 engines to get around ETOPS issues?

What ETOPS issues? The 777NGs are to feature ETOPS330 (if Boeing can get the approval). That will basically negate any ETOPS no-fly zones except those directly over Antarctica.


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