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Which Countries Have Built Jet Airliners?  
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

I was watching an awesome documentary about Romania, and one of the things mentioned was how the country embarked on a crash-course in industrialisation, building factories like crazy. It occured to me that one of the products was the ROMBAC111. "Oh yeah, Romania built jet airliners!" So it got me thinking. Who else? (I've left Airbus off cos no single country builds them - fuselages by the French, engines by the USA, ashtrays by the Brits etc.)

USA - Boeing (we all know), McDD (we all know), Lockheed (Tristar), General Dynamics (CV880 & 990).
Holland - Fokker F28, F70, F100
France - Caravelle, Mercure
Romania - ROMBAC 111
Britain - Comet 1-4, VC10, BAC111, Trident, BAe 146 (and the ARJ), Concorde
Germany - VFW614
China - MD80s under licence, and wasn't there a 707 clone?
Canada - Avro Jetliner, Canadair RJs
Brazil - Embraer RJs
Russia - lots of TUs and ILs

Interesting cos I always just think of the USA, France and Britain. But it's a surprising list when you think about it (ROMANIA!?!).


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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

If I recall the Concorde was made by like 6 different countries.


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User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

I think that ROMBAC111 was just a BAC 1-11 built under licence much like China building the MD80.  Smile

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

"If I recall the Concorde was made by like 6 different countries"

We could say that about most aircraft.
Look how many countries contribute to Boeing's products for instance.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

(I've left Airbus off cos no single country builds them - fuselages by the French, engines by the USA, ashtrays by the Brits etc.)

In that case no country in the world makes airplanes. The US, France, the UK, Russia and the Ukraine will be able to do so, but do not do so for economic reasons.

It is cheaper for Boeing and Airbus to buy parts abroad. As you mentioned the American engines for Airbus, but similarly the CFM and RR engines for Boeing. Russia might be able to make complete jets (airframe and engines), but they probably lack the money to do so, although a co-operating with the Ukraine would be recommendable. It should be mentioned though that those Russian planes would be low-tech since there is no provider of fly-by-wire technology in Russia. Russia would have to import that techniology from the US/Europe.


To add to your list,

Israel used to make/makes some biz-jets: Astra, Galaxy, Westwind
Ukraine: Anything Antonov



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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

NZ767-You are right, I should have clarified my statement. Certain countries specialized in certain area's of the plane. I have a book that has a section on it.


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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

I don't recall what it was called but didn't East Germany way back when create a jet airliner also? Real ugly looking from what I recall.

[Edited 2003-05-23 20:20:24]

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Yeah right, good points all. God knows what I was thinking by including Concorde in the 'Britain' list, I discounted Airbus on the grounds that they're a consortium but Concorde is the one that created the template. Sorry France.

Also, I know the ROMBAC111 was someone else's design produced under licence. But a notable achievement for such a small country.

Now, what about that Chinese 707 clone?



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User currently offlineAirchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Sweden
Saab 340/2000

Spain
Casa 212
CN235 (along with Indonesia)

Japan
YS-11

Although as has been said, no one country is ever solely responsible for an aircraft, for example the Fokker 100 actually had more British content (engines, fuselage?) than the 'British' BAe 146 which had Swedish wings and US engines.



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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

...ashtrays by the Brits

We'll deliver your next Airbus without its British wings and see how far you get with it. If it wasn't for the Brits, Airbus would be called...er...Bus. Big grin


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Ukraine - An-74 and eventually An-148

Turkey has proposed the HD-19 STOL twin-jet from TUSAS Aerospace Industries.

Indonesia and India each have proposed 120-seat jet designs. Don't see them going very far though.

Romaero was the company which assembled BAC 1-11 kits (nine in total, all to Romavia and Tarom). Romaero also build the BN Islander...


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

How about a city that could build an entire? As far as I know, YUL is the only city in the world where you could build an entire plane. Bombardier could build the wings and fuselage; P&W Canada could build the engines; Héroux-Devtek or Messier-Dowty could build the landing gears; Honeywell could supply the avionic and CAE could supply the simulator!!! Which city in the world can beat that?

The only plane that came close to be a true "Montreal airplane" is the CL-415.

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
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You can add Hawker Siddely and De Havilland to your UK list.



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User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2233 times:
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Canada
Canadair Regional Jet, Challenger, Global Express and Learjet(USA used to do it until it was bought by Bombardier)

Brazil
Embraer series



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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

USA - Boeing (we all know),

Not true at all:

Arent part of the 747 and 777 made by different countries??

FB05

If i remember correctly, the 777 is built in the USA, but parts come from all over the world.



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User currently offlineTrident3 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

You could have built an entire aircraft in Bristol in the 1950s when the Bristol company manufactured both airframes and engines.

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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2199 times:
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You'd be amazed how many parts of the 777 is made outside of the US, nearly 40% of all parts in a 777 comes from Asia, mainly Japan, Mitsubishi, Kawasaki to name a few.



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User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Don't forget Antonov ( AN-225 - the biggest one around ! )

Also Concorde was assemblied in two countries

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User currently offlineB747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Canada was one of the earliest countries to build a jet transport -
The Avro Canada Jetliner, 4 engine jet aircraft, straight wing, around 1947-48...
The Vickers Viking-Nene was also the first British jet airliner, around 1947...
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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

What about Cessna in the US?


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User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Cedarjet:

"Now, what about that Chinese 707 clone?"

I don't know about a 707 clone but they did build a Trident clone.
Can't remember what it was called though and I'm too tired to searc........zzzzzzz!!!


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1599 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

I don't recall what it was called but didn't East Germany way back when create a jet airliner also? Real ugly looking from what I recall.

Yes, The VBF Baade 152 was built in Dresden in East Germany in the 50s. It was a four-jet, high-wing airliner seating between 48 and 72 passengers. Looking like the Boeing B-47 bomber, only one prototype was completed.


User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Cedarjet is right about China building a 707 clone, i remember seeing a picture of it somewhere, when i find it i'll let ya know what it's called. Also doesn't Boeing get it's Aluminum from Russia or something?

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

The reason why Airbus Industrie came into being was the fact that European airlines realized the Hawker Siddeley HS. 121 Trident and the Sud-Aviation Caravelle weren't going to cut it with the rapid increases in European air travel, with airlines like British European Airways, Lufthansa, Air France and Air Inter needing bigger and bigger planes. That's why German, French, British and Spanish aerospace collaborated to create Airbus.

It's small wonder why they first built the A300B/A310 for higher-density routes, then built the A320 Family of planes as true Trident/Caravelle replacements, then the A330/A340 for medium/long-range routes, and now the A380 for long-range high-density routes.


User currently offlineKdonohue From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Connector4you can probably give some insight into Romania's ROMBAC111.

25 Sk : Not only VFW614 and - well - Baade 152 in Germany. Don't forget the Dornier aircraft like the 228 and 328. By the way the prototype of Baade 152 crash
26 Post contains links and images Petertenthije : Here you can find more information about the Baade VL-DDR 152. It even has a picture so you should open it at your own discretion. Don't blame me when
27 Ilyushin96M : Petertenthije, I have a question with regards to your earlier post. You said, "It should be mentioned though that those Russian planes would be low-te
28 Petertenthije : It is? I am sorry, I did not realise that. I thought the IL-96 and the TU-204 were equiped with Western fly-by-wire systems. I knew they were equiped
29 Trintocan : The Chinese airliner referred to by some is the Shanghai Y-10. It was effectively a clone of a 707 - it has been said that it was built by engineers s
30 Post contains images Matt777 : Italy ( ) and France make the ATRs 42 and 72
31 Bobrayner : Poland: PZL Mielec made the An-28, and also some variants... (although no Polish engines) Czech: L610
32 GDB : Concorde was nearly all Anglo-French, including systems, a bit from the US, but mostly split between the UK and France, all part of the political agre
33 Post contains links Fanofjets : Trintocan is correct. The Shanghai Y-10 is of historic importance because it was China's first indigenous jetliner - not a license-built copy of a Sov
34 Bmacleod : The wing for MD-11s were built near Toronto (Canada) in the early 1990's.
35 Post contains links Fanofjets : Indonesia had a regional jet on the drawing board, the Indonesian Aerospace N2130: http://www.indonesian-aerospace.com/n2130/ In addition, some Il-62s
36 Post contains links Fanofjets : Interesting article on Chinese, Japanese, and Korean regional jet proposals and studies: http://pathfinder.com/asiaweek/97/0425/aa1.html http://pathfi
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