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Are People Still Allowed To Sit In The Cockpit?  
User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

I noticed that people are still allowed to sit in the jumpseat.







What are the rules regarding viewing the landing from the cockpit?
Who has been sitting in a jump seat as a passengers?
If yes with which airlines have you done this?





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User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7522 times:

At HP the only ones allowed to sit in the jump seat are HP pilots, YV pilots, MX techs on duty, some FAA personel.

User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

The YV pilots that fly under HP express. At onepoint the freedom air pilots were not allowed to ride jumpseat but I am not sure if that has changed or not. Even though Freedom flys for HP. Even if they are allowed I know alot of Captains that said if Freedom air pilots were allowed to jumpseat that they would deny the request. Freedom Pilots are not all that well liked at HP but that airline in general is disliked.

User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

So normally it is not that easy to get in the cokpit to watch the landing.
Can the pilots get into problems, because it shows flight date segment and registration wirth the pictures?


User currently offlineAWA22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

I am sure the person who took those pictures were authorized to do so by the airline and authorites.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7439 times:

KLM policy is door closed and locked and most other airlines do the same.

Not even colleagues are allowed in (except the FAs to bring food or beverages).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineB747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

Outside USA air carriers, generally airlines permit occupancy of flight deck jump seats by pilots and other aviation licensed personnel i.e. other pilots or flight engineers, maintenance staff, dispatchers... subject to the captain's discretion and approval...
xxx
With my airline, the captain's decides whoever sits there... I have taken my wife and my son on the jump seats... In USA it is not possible with the security and FAA paranoia... I dont think my son is a friend of Osama, and at his young age of 13, he knows he has to stay quiet and shut up during takeoff, departure, approach and landing...
xxx
Free access to jump seats (captain's authority) was, when I was young, the greatest thing in aviation to educate the general public, airline enthusiasts, private pilots and "future airline pilots"... nowadays, restricted occupancy of jump seats adds little, if anything, to flight safety... Many times, I have invited "little old ladies" who were dead-scared of airplanes, for landings... They changed their attitude and forever forgot their fears, after they saw how relax and simple flying an airplane really is...
xxx
Happy contrails, sit back and relax  Smile
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 721 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

At Singapore Airlines I can offer the jump seat ONLY to other Singapore Airlines Pilots or Cabin Crew. Other Singapore Airlines staff and Airline Crew are not permitted under any circumstances. My parents, wife, kids etc are also not permitted. To break this rule would mean unemployment.


Etihad Girl, You're a great way to fly.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

at his young age of 13, he knows he has to stay quiet and shut up during takeoff, departure, approach and landing...

Ah, the joys of being in an airline family. Your son has been well trained.

I fondly remember my first jumpseat landing at the age of about 6 when I was very strictly told not to make a sound until we were on the ground. It was at Kai Tak too and I nearly wet myself, but I stayed silent all the way!  Smile


User currently offlineDanielbk From Israel, joined Feb 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7332 times:

I'm extremely lucky,

I get to jumpseat on EL AL (usually 777's) allmost every time!



aha, the good life  Smile

danny.



cockpit? it's that little room in the front of the plane where the pilots seat.. but that's not important now
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7303 times:

It totally depends. In the caribbean I can get in the jumpseat of most regional Dash 8 flights.. I cant get on any Jet flights though. BUt for those said regionals, I just ask the F/A if she can talk to the CA for me. Plus it easier for me since i work on the airport.


There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

The TSA would prefer that pilots didn't sit in the cockpit!TC


FL450, M.85
User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

I second CaptainK's comments about the caribbean.

I too have sat in the jumpseat on a few caribbean carriers, but only had my camera on one occassion.
Last month on Caribbean Star Airlines, I sat in for the approach into SLU
and then the full start up at GND to landing in POS.

you can see some pics at
http://faraz78.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=17408

pictures 88 to 93 are from the jumpseat ( I think). There are no pics of approaching into POS because it was night time and they didn't want any camera flashes.



Maintain own separation with terrain!
User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

As far as Freedom Air goes,yes HP pilots were denying Freedom Air pilots jumpseats due to the fact that Freedom pilots were non ALPA and thus created alot of controversy at YV. Freedom pilots are now Mesa pilots, but still DBA Freedom Air, and should not have jumpseat issues anymore.

User currently offlineHAJ_OW From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Hi,

in Europe it was possible to get on the jump seat on several airlines before Sep. 11. Now it's alsmost impossible.
Before Sep. 11 I had the chance of many jumpseat rides on differend types and differend airlines. The largest was a 747-400 info FRA. The smallest a Saab 340 in HAJ. The most interesting a 737-800 automatic landing in fog in HAJ.
Airlines were LH, SR, SN, HF, DE, LX...
Regards from Hannover
Oliver


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

I'm flying from East Midlands to Dalaman in July with JMC (Thomas Cook Airlines) and really want to fly in the jumpseat for takeoff. I might even write to them to see if it will be possible, but they can't say yes or no if it is the Pilot's decision can they?

DC-10


User currently offlineM717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7200 times:

"I'm flying from East Midlands to Dalaman in July with JMC (Thomas Cook Airlines) and really want to fly in the jumpseat for takeoff. I might even write to them to see if it will be possible, but they can't say yes or no if it is the Pilot's decision can they?"

I'm virtually certain that is not possible today.



User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

Oh well. I can understand why though.

DC-10


User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7190 times:


As crew i can jumpseat any time with my own airline so long as the captain agrees. Thankfully he agreed yesterday tryin to fly home on the friday of the bank holiday weekend. They had to leave fare paying passengers behind due to overbooked flight......thats domestic flights in the UK for you. All i can say is thank you to the captain and thankyou to the CAA to bringing in these restrictions


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8092 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7184 times:

I always flew in the jumpseat before 9/11, so I barely knew what flying in the passenger cabin was like. That was mostly due to contacts and reputation from past form in the biz since I haven't formally worked in aviation since 94. Unfortunately I'm not a pilot so since 9/11 I haven't seen the inside of a flightdeck.

My last ride in the office was on Malev from Budapest to Beirut in early September 2001 - the skipper had already promised the jumpseat to a flight attendent so I stood behind him, which was awesome, surfing down the ILS between apartment buildings (Beirut is the other - unsung - Kai Tak) in a 737. Thank you Malev, and unbeknowest at the time, farewell flight deck.



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

In the UK, there are apparently now regulations forbidding UK airlines to do it.

I only managed to visit the cockpit twice, once including a jumpseat landing. Both were post 11/09 and on the LCY-MUC route with LH / Augsburg Airways. Not sure whether they still allow it (that was early 2002) or what the mainline LH regulations are


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Not even colleagues are allowed in (except the FAs to bring food or beverages).

As an Islamic radical and a future terrorist, I was worried that 9/11 would make it impossible to get through the cockpit door on my next flight. So I'm glad to hear that the cockpit door will indeed open during the flight for food/coffee service. That is the moment when I rush in behind the FA and cut the pilot's jugular with a utility knife, while my cohort does the same to the co-pilot. Just like old times! Praise be to Allah!

p.s. It's good to know that the airlines of the infidel are not taking us too seriously.

signed,
Mahmood Ali Mohammed al-sabhey-Mohamed Ali Mahmood



An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 721 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Well Hmmmmm do you really think the Airlines are so dum that that scenario has not been considered and catered for.

There are many procedures and equipment installed on todays Airliners which you and the general public will not know about and are not meant to. There is far more to the security of the cockpit than a reinforced door.




Etihad Girl, You're a great way to fly.
User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Are cockpit visits still permitted after landing? I was allowed into the cockpit on a few flights after the aircraft has docked... although I didn't really expect to visit the cockpit at all after 9/11.


Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7020 times:

Well Hmmmmm do you really think the Airlines are so dum that that scenario has not been considered and catered for.

Ironic that you should use the word "catered".

On El Al, the door is never opened between take-off and landing. What system could be better than that? That is why we don't care for El Al. As terrorists we much prefer the American carriers that still open their doors inflight. I fear, however, that one day even the American carriers will have that same system and then we won't be able to hijack anything anymore. A sad day indeed.

signed,
Mahmood Ali Mohammed al-sabhey-Mohamed Ali Mahmood



An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
25 WMUPilot : At TZ and C8 the only ones allowed in the cockpit are Company pilots, mechanics, VP's, dispatchers, FA's, and company employees - with approval from t
26 Skippy777 : So the conclusion is that you have to be lucky
27 Post contains images Ikarus : Hmmmm: I would never fly longhaul on El Al in that case. Imagine if the pilot needs to pee and cannot leave the cockpit.... Imagine the added stress f
28 DeltAirlines : You are still allowed to visit the flight deck while the aircraft is on the ground. I visited the flight deck of a Comair CRJ and Delta 737 on the gro
29 Cedarjet : Ejazz: I think you're completely wrong. "There are many procedures and equipment installed on todays Airliners which you and the general public will n
30 Ikarus : Cedarjet: Isn't Ejazz the Singapore Airlines pilot who took all the brilliant air-to-air photos - Bailey? Do you really think you know as much as or m
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