Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1924 times:
Interesting, DeltAirlines........I remember when Western tried DC10 service on the HNL-ANC-LGW and ANC-LGW routes, I think that the flights operated 2 or 3 times per week, and were not a success. Didnt BA fly Tokyo-Anchornage-London until the updated versions of the 742 and the 744 became available; did BA transport pax between ANC and London, or was Anchorage considered a fuel stop only?
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8946 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1902 times:
I think passengers could get off at ANC, but I'm pretty sure the primary purpose was a fuel stop. I know a person who once flew to Tokyo from LHR with BA and he told me that his only time to the states was when they refueled at ANC.
747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1886 times:
I would say with absolute certainty that if there should be merger in any way involving BA and VS there will most certainly be negotiations between the US and UK. I would also think that if there is any kind of airliine consolidation in either the US or Europe there will also be negotiations between the US and UK.
Otherwise BA will forever be sitting on the sidelines without an effective alliance. If none of those things happenthe status quo will remain in effect ad nauseum.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33793 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1692 times:
Yes, the 29 gateways include scheduled cargo flights if I am not mistaken. Also, if a gateway is being unused, then a secondary gateway from a gateway city can be used. For example, if no one is flying Pittsburgh-London, then someone can fly Ft. Lauderdale-London no questions asked. Same with Oakland-London. I'm pretty sure it works that way, not 100% though.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5388 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1680 times:
On that note, does EWR and JFK count as 1 gateway or 2? I know some markets have dual designation: JFK/EWR, IAD/BWI, MIA/FLL and SFO/OAK. So is that 4 cities or 8? This point has always confused me a bit when trying to tally actual gateways.
SAA-SAL From Belgium, joined Nov 2000, 356 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1595 times:
I guess ther's an open skies agreement between the US and the UK. I thought that meant that the number of gateways was not limited to a fixed amount. Why? Limiting the number of gateways only limits the flow of goods ans passengers.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1604 times:
ONLY the following cities may be served by US airlines from London : ANC, ATL, BOS, CLT, CHI, CVG, CLE, DFW, DTT, HOU, LAX, MIA, MSP, NYC(%), PHL, PIT(*), SFO(%), SEA, STL, WAS(%)
ONLY the following cities may be served by UK airlines from London : ATL, BOS, CLT, CHI, DFW, DEN, DTT, HOU, LAS(*), LAX, MIA, NYC(%), ORL, PHL, PHX, PIT, SAN, SFO(%), SEA, TPA, WAS(%)
ONLY the following cities may be served from Heathrow : ANC, BWI, BOS, CHI, DTT, LAX, MIA, MSP(@), NYC, PHL, SFO, SEA, WAS(%)
Some destinations are switchable with unused destinations. The other approved gateways without current service are FLL, HNL, MKC, PDX, MSY
* - LAS was approved as an additional service destination in an April 2000 modification to the agreement in exchange for PIT being approved as a US carrier gateway.
@ - Service on LHR-MSP may be operated by a US carrier only. UK carriers may not service MSP.
% - NYC includes JFK/EWR. WAS includes IAD/BWI. SFO includes SFO/OAK/SJC. SJC is considered part of SFO for the purpose of serving as a US or UK gateway city. It is not considered part of SFO for the purpose of LHR access.
I know this does not address issues such as AA's RDU operations or BA's ops from LHR to PHX/SAN/DEN both of which fall under some obscure sub-clauses, but this is the overall agreement vis-a-vis gateways.