Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3215 times:
Hounding and harassing plane spotters will not prevent terrorists hijacking/shooting down planes. The government and the authorities have no clue about plane spotting and the nature of plane spotters, and as far as i'm concerned no one will stop me from pursuing my hobby. As long as i'm not breaking the law, i will continue to go plane spotting at airports.
Demoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3197 times:
You can be sure, that as soon as there is an attempted attack on an aircraft in the UK its the end for us plane spotters/photographers being allowed around airport perimeters. You only have to look at the events seen at LHR last February with the army deployed to see how strongly the government will act to any specific threat. In the past we could accuse the government for over reacting, but sadly its no longer the case and the UK is a prime target for terrorist activities.
Just imagine if there was an attack on an aircraft and it emerged that the authorities willingly allowed people around the airport perimeter - be they plane spotter/photographers or not - it would look incredibly bad and the Daily Mail would have a field day on it. The government are simply trying to cover all areas and unfortunately our hobby is the victim.
Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3026 times:
Well the UK police seem to be acting sensibly over at LHR. I was hanging around the perimeter fence for three hours with a camera in full view of multiple police patrols and none of them felt they needed to stop and give me grief. Carried plenty of ID, just in case, though.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12739 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2962 times:
Same here; I was there last weekend, near the 27R threshold, on the footbridge beside Hatton Cross station; lots of police cars passing, no one said "boo" (although I'd have been surprised if they had!).
Still, sensible action and not getting in their way will make life easier for all. Remember, resources are limited, so they don't really want to be fighting what is a losing battle and, to follow up on an earlier point, if there ARE people around the perimeter, there's more chance of stopping these people. Most of us have mobile phones ...
What we need is focused security, not lashing out at anything people disapprove of. Anyone thinking logically - which those responsible for security must do - would understand that aviation enthusiasts are NOT only not a threat, but a potential ally.
Carduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2931 times:
Just for clarification, and I'm sure most know anyway, the foot bridge at Hatton Cross is nearest to the approach to 27L, but doutless you can get approach pics of a/c on 27R.
We've had terrorism in GB for a number of years (not Al Quaida) and a number of innocent people have died - even military horses killed in Hyde Park.
I was in T4 some years back, meeting a friend from EWR, when there was a mortar attack, originating from the western perimeter area near the new T5 - we had to evacuate T4 by going down the Underground railway to get either to Central Area, or into London Town! There was also a van found in one of the northside hotel carparks, complete with a straightforward launcher.
I'm all for effective security, and I'm glad that the USA is catching up . . .
Enjoy your spotting, but remember a lens flashing in the sunlight can cause automatic response from those put there to protect YOU! A close friend of mine who works for the BBC as a News Cameraman, staying at the 'journalists hotel' in BGW, the Palestine Hotel, when a shell from a US tank hit the hotel a couple of floors below! When they later met up with the US commander, they were told that they thought somebody was aiming a weapon at them, so they fired at the TV lens flashing in the sun!
Per Ardua ad Astra! ........ Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense!
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2763 times:
Arsenal@LHR...everything you said is completely true...the problem is getting our respective governments aware of the fact that us aviation enthusiasts are getting royally screwed over by this...they just turn a deaf ear towards us...
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Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8287 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2756 times:
HlywdCaft, your suggestion (which I know was in jest in case my tone is hard to read): "Why don't we all just walk around with a black sheet over our heads..." - surely that's tantamount to being a Taliban supporter?
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2676 times:
Hopefully not - the truth is that train companies have always viewed trainspotters with some scepticism, moreso than airlines and airports. Perhaps it may have to do with the closer observation of trains possible at platforms (not to mention the ability to see flaws, dirty trains etc more easily) which could give negative publicity to the company. Planespotters have had a more positive image than trainspotters, historically speaking too.
As long as planspotters comply with the rules and co-operate with the authorities they should be OK in the UK. Now, if only the LHR authorities could be convinced to re-open the deck for us to see Concorde's last summer...