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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Posted (15 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 1350 times:

Hey guys I was just wondering since I have been pondering in my head of this subject. What does it take to become an airline pilot? What are the costs, how do you get there, how long does it take, and how hard is it? Is there a lot of competition? Please help me with this cause I think I would like to consider becoming an airline pilot. How many hours do you need on everything?
Please help me on this.

thanx

Drew


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User currently offlineVirgin Atlantic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Well you can go the military way which is you join the military bomb the hell out of Iraq then go to an airline.
Or you can do what I am doing. Which is slowly getting ratings I am still working on my Private. But I will get my Instrument, Multi, Commercail, and most bacome a CFI which is a great way to get time. But you need about 1000 hours for skywest and about 4000 United. You need a first class medical and before you can captain you need your ATP.
All of these change between countries. Were are you from? It will cost you about $50,000-$70,000 and you will need to go to college. American eagle is hiring about 200 pilots this year adn continental express is hiring around 400. BA is sponsoring 200 pilots. And you can get this all done. I heard a story over the weekend of a guy from Iceland came in and he was flying 8 hours of multi a day to build up time that cost around $1000 a day!! It is much easier when you have money like that!
Any more questions E-mail me
Iainhol@hotmail.com
Iain


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

It can take anywhere from two years on up to a few decades. It really depends on your situation. There are a lot of guys I know of here who have spent four or five years at this school before landing a right seat job. Of course they where also getting a degree at this time to. I would say it isn't really hard especially if you are into it. I have seen a lot of kids come through here who I get the feeling are only flying because their 'dad' does it. If you know what I mean. If you just fly on the weekends then it will take longer then if you pay for one of these intensibe schools where you conviable finish up in a year and half. China Airlines does a program here with my school where they send their trainies with no time whatsoever up here and they have their licenses in about a year and a half or two years.

In the U.S. in order to get paid to fly you need to have a commercial license. In order to get that you have to have 300 hours of flight time. Most(read that as all) major airlines require a ATP or airline transport pilot license. In order to do that you need to get 1500 hours of flight time. Also you will have to get an Instrument rating and a multiengine rating. That way you don't have to look outside and can fly airplanes with more then one engine.

The route most people here take for the airlines pretty much follows this pattern.

Private License
Insterment Rating
Multi-Engine Rating
Commercial License
Flight intructor- At this point they flight instruct untill they build up enough hours to take the ATP or get hired as a copilot. Which legally can be done with a commercial license.

Figure on Spending between twenty and thirty grand over the course of doing this.

Please don't let my drawn out explination shy you away from flying. It isn't as difficult as I make it sound.

Good Luck



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User currently offlineVirgin Atlantic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

It is also alot of fun!!!
Iain


User currently offlineFedEx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

L-1888 that was very informative! Good job!
But both you and VA forgot to point out
that you have to have Multiengine time
roughly 50-100hours for SkyWest
and 1,0000 for the major airlines.

Work Hard Fly Right!


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Your right I did forget to mention that it is fun. That is one of the reasons I am switching over to Part 61 lessons. I was more worried about finishing lessons in the 141 course then having fun, so that is another reason I am moving back north to finish flying.

I tried to avoid mentioning required times except for the FAA rules since every airline has different requierments and they change depending on how many pilots need jobs and how desperate the airline is to hire. Getting hired today is a lot easier then say even ten or fifteen years ago. For example no pilot in the lower forty-eight has to worry about that requirement that most airlines in Alaska have for at least 500 hours in state. Also I know two guys who started with the other airline where I used to work as cargo hands because they didn't have enough hours to fly for them. After six months of working there they both got jobs flying the right seat on Metros.

There are also other ways into the cockpit. Right now when I start at the University of Alaska next fall I am going to start takeing A&P courses. That way I can set myself up for the FEX rating. It not as valuable of rating to have now as it use to be but that way I can set myself up for at least two seperate jobs if I have to.

Yes it is definatly fun.



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User currently offlineAA727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

You need an Airline Transport Pilot rating which you can get after a total of 1500 flight hours. And to qualify for a position with a major airline you have to have at least 2500 hours. A college degree is not required but it helps, it makes you more competitive.

Ben Soriano


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

That was very imformative guys. Ok since I live in the South land here in Los Angeles CA, where is the best place to get my private license for starters. Who would you guys recomend I go to, and o yeah i have glasses does that matter????????





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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Don't worry about the glasses. I am 20/40 in one eye and 20/200 in the other. I still qualify for a 1st class med. Or at least the flight surgeon at the school said so. As long as you are correctable to 20/20. Airlines had to scrap their vision requirements because of the Americans with Disabilities Act. I know for the longest time Delta required 20/20 but that has since changed. The pilots job market also changed that.

I am not from LA. so I can't name any schools. What you might want to try is to find out where the nearest AOPA or EAA chapter is and attended a couple of their meetings. You will meet a lot of pilots and they will probably steer you to the good instructors.



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User currently offlineVirgin Atlantic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Do you live near John Wayne that is were I fly out of. There is a flight school there called Lenair they are really good and have the best safety record at SNA. It is were I fly out of. What is your local airport. If it is LAX they don't teach out of there.
Iain


User currently offlineFedEx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Hey I think you live in the Inland Empire so
I would suggest Corona! I heard there is a
good flight school over there. Also John Wayne
cost to much money to fly! You have to do the
following at John Wayne in order to takeoff:
ATIS
CLEARANCE
GROUND
TOWER
ADVISORIES
DEPARTURE
FLIGHT FOLOWING
At a a smaller airport:
ATIS
Ground if there is a tower.
TOWER if there is one
FLIGHT FOLLOWING if u want
Email me if u want!


User currently offlineVirgin Atlantic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Yeah but at SNA you get to taxi with 757 and there are lots of neat planes to look at. But you do spend more money and you also get jacked in holds and on the taxi way and take off for the big planes. We have to wait 3 minutes after a 757 to take off. It was really bad when 19L was closed I wait on the ground for 40 minutes to take off!!
Iain


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Well the nearest airport where I live is El monte Airport near the city of Arcadia. But John wayne looks very interesting how you explain it VA. However FedEx cheap is good.

thanks for all your posts its very helpful



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User currently offlineVirgin Atlantic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Well if you fly out od any airport in Socal I would guess your instructor will take you SNA once or twice just as it is so busy you learn alot from flying there!
Iain


User currently offlineFedEx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (15 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Why that username?
You should look at Torrance! I love that airport!
Email me if u want! Good Luck !!


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